Hot News: Juanita Bynum beaten by husband

[LisaRay]

I would like to say that I don't believe that a Bishop could do such a horrible thing to someone, however, I have come to realize through others talking about abusive relationships within the walls of the church beginning with the pastors. I knew a woman who was almost killed by her extremely abusive minister husband and the church members looked the other way as she attended church regularly with bruises. No only did he abuse her physically who also dated half the church.

(excerpt taken from Venus56 posting)

Are you for real and no one took a stand. I'm sorry, but as a christian I could not and would not have kept quiet. The pastor is beating his wife. I would call him out, bring it to the attention of the board or something. Now tell me, if I know my pastor was beating his wife, what message could he possibly bring on a Sunday morning that I will listen to. He would have to get help first.

More people like you should attend this church below that I spoke of earlier and rid themselves of this crazy man. I agree with you totally.
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I really sympathasize with this woman of God and I have no sympathy what so ever for the Bishop. Too often us Black Christians allow these Pastors to get away with anything and everything. They must be accountable also. Do an advanced Google search of Joel Anthony Ward, and read about how his choir director has a restraining order against him for threatning her life because he got her pregnant. She taped the threats and was issued a restraining order. He refuses to resign or even admit he did anything wrong, yet its on tape. He pastors a once large church in Los Angeles and the church is going to finally have a vote this Sunday as to whether or not he should remain the Pastor. Pray that they do the right thing. He truly needs help. This story has been covered in the Wave News paper, a black Los Angeles, Community news paper. Below is a link to some of the stories about him. He says on tape that he is Joel Anthony Mutha fu***** Ward the best thing she will know since Jesus and threatens to muth Fu** her up and kill her if she does not keep quiet and abort his baby she was carrying. God Bless you Evangelist Juanita..

http://www.wavenewspapers.com/link.a...l=5891&wpage=1

http://www.wavenewspapers.com/link.a...l=5929&wpage=1

http://www.wavenewspapers.com/link.a...l=5973&wpage=1

[Blackman7]

So many people attend church...and then get home and get abused or do the abusing. Where are you getting your facts from? Where are the numbers? What's the percentage? Do you honestly think that in the church today, the men that abuse their wives outways the men trying to raise their families with christian values?

Black men are the ORIGINAL victims of "domestic abuse". Black men have been the victims of ABUSE for over 400 YEARS! Why is it that white america never complains about RACIAL ABUSE?

The answer is simple...

Cause when it comes to BLACK MEN, they just don't care!

[jakaale]

This situation is without doubt is a very ugly one. Domestic violence should and need to be dealt with appropriately according to the law, whether the perpertrator be man or woman! Mike stated today saying that people who "Talk the talk, should walk the walk." This should apply not only to Bishop Weeks, but also to Evangilist/Prophettes J. Bynum--she being an acclaimed prophettes should have seen this coming.

My thought is this; "Another act of domestic violence or Could this be the wratch of God?" Take a gander at the attachment, and ask youself--legit or blasphamy? There are so many differnet perspectives in which we can look at this situation. Take your pick!

I myself, being a frequent church goer know that the church is/was designed for sinners and not for perfect people--Jesus came to redeem the sinners of this world and not the righteous. And lets not forget the story of David, Bethsheba and Uriah; Peter denying Christ, Jonah not wanting to go Nineveh, the woman(Rahab) who hide the men who spied on Jericho, etc, etc. All are people who done some wrong, but the inferrence is made, that they made out ok in the end.

In reference to the attachment; did J. Bynum play with and/or mock God, or is this just another act of domestic violence? The wrath of God isn't pretty by no means, nor is spousal abuse!

[Sam Turner]

I watched the august wedding ceremony of Rev. Juanita Bynum to animal Tom Weeks III on TBN in 2002. I am distressed beyond verbage to know that two people of the cloth who counsel others are in the pedicament that they are in tonight. I'm sure the Rev has a strong support network, but I pray that she reaches out to Rev Betty Price. Tom needs to be in the congregation from this day forward, not in the pulpit-that is after he is released from prison.

[ninte1]

You Are Probably A Fanatic And A Abuser, Using Religion To Hide Who And What You Really Are, Scriipture And Religion Has Been Manipulated For Men Like Your Kind, Ever Since Christianity Was Established After Christ Death!!! The Devil Is Always In Church And Falsed Prophets Was Spoken To Appear!!!!

[dafirstgirl]

You can see the pictures over at Young Black and Fabulous. My prayers are with them both!

[D_bkny]

It is so ironic that I was just arguing with an older person about the church misleading men on how to be husbands. I've been in church all of my life, all of it. And in my 26 years, I have heard numerous sermons on what women should be doing, and what women ought to do, and how wives should be submissive to husbands. I've even been in situations where a young woman who got pregnant from wedlock had to apologize before the church, and the young man was not required to do so!
I've seen many instances in the church where women were being beaten, and it was actually older women who told them to stay there and pray. They are quick to quote Bible verses on women's submissiveness, the strict commands that Jesus gives against divorce, and how women should turn to their husbands with reverence.
It's funny that I've never heard any sermons on what a husband should do, and how he should behave. It was only last week that I stumbled across 1 Peter 3:7 that tells a husband to honor his wife lest his prayers go unheard. I shared it with my mother. She said she'd never heard that in church, and she's been going all of her life. She's 55.

...to you cheetorah. Anytime you're in Brooklyn, NY and you have a Sunday to spare c'mon by. People crack me up when they quote the submissive verse of the wife, but never the one for the husband, "Husband love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church..." (Eph 5:25) You can't quote one without the other for they compliment each other. And I'm glad to say that my pastor has covered this subject quite a few time in the past.

[ministerken]

It is sad when anyone is abused in a marriage or in a relationship. It is 10 times, no 100 times worse when it is done (publically) by "Christians". I do not condone any man raising or hitting a female. In my first marriage, when I was in a heated arguement with my then wife, I never hit her or anything. We used to argue vehemently and I would walk away. That is one thing that she would never be able to accuse me of. My present wife and I, I do not argue with her-we disagree on things and we will go into separate rooms until we both cool off and then we come together and forgive each other and make up. Yes it is hard to do, but it works for us

[D_bkny]

What do the Pastors and Church people have to say about this? Usually the church is the one telling women to "STAY STAY STAY, Stay with your husband", "love him to Christ", "Be submissive" You do all of that, and for what? To continue to get beat? I know GOD does not want anyone to stay in a situation like this. If he hit her this time believe me it probably was not the first time. In the words of Mr Baisden "PRAY AND PACK!!!"

...think we have to say, "stay, pray and take the slaps." I don't know what some backward churches are preaching. Of course you need to pray, as christians we believe in the power of pray, but you also got to put some distance between yourself and the abusive situation. Hence, separation. There is nothing in the Bible that would support a wife staying with an abusive husband. And if anyone is preaching that, (as my granmother would've said) "You betta think twice."

[ministerken]

I agree with you cheetora. Too many times the 'submissive preaching' is taken out of context or not even explained to young men. And yes, I wish more pastors would preach about it.

[livlrg]

ADDENDUM: Unless we were there or a significant part of the marriage we don't know the events that lead up to or the truth of the event that actually took place. Let us remember that as we formulate our opinions about other people's lives.

I agree with the above comments, let's all be very careful before we pass judgement on either one of them - because none of us knows the "whole" story. Looks like the man was walking away (ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR PUTTING HIS HANDS ON HER), and she followed and sounds like continued to argue w/him so who knows - only God. Let's remember to keep them in our Prayers.

[D_bkny]

As a wise man once said, "Bad women are made for bad men and GOOD women are made for GOOD men."

Like the bible says, it's a SHAME for a woman to SPEAK in a church!

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

...topic. That's another can of worms you have in your hand there.:rolleyes:

[Glow]

MONEY. What other form of anger, other than sex would make "folks" jump on each other?

[D_bkny]

Raine1, YOU said:

"1 Cor. 14:34 was speaking on a SPECIFIC situation where several women who happened to sit on opposite sides of the church from men during service, were shouting out across the aisle and asking their husbands to explain what they didn't understand. "

1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches:..."

So are you suggesting that when Paul said "Let your women keep silence in the CHURCHES", he was speaking on a "SPECIFIC situation"?

If that were true, he wouldn't have used the plural CHURCHES, meaning MORE THAN ONE.

Sorry dear, but more than one church is NOT a "SPECIFIC situation". The word "churches"(plural) means churches EVERYWHERE.

Blackman, blackman, blackman. Another perfect example of a verse taken out of context. My dear Blackman, would look at Romans 16 and tell me what you think of that.:rolleyes:

[D_bkny]

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD

That means that however you would submit unto the Lord, you should submit unto your HUSBAND, in the SAME WAY.

I don't know about you, but I would submit unto the Lord with FAITH, LOVE, DEVOTION, OBEDIENCE, LONGSUFFERING, and LOYALTY.

A GOOD wife submits unto her HUSBAND in the SAME WAY.

I said this one before (you got to catch in on the earlier boards)

A GOOD husband ought to love their wives even as Christ also loved the church....

and

A Good husband ought to love their wives as their own bodies. (nuff said, so don't go there no more)

[Blackman7]

Perhaps you HYPOCRITES out there judging Rev Bynum would do good to heed those wise words![/ I have no idea who the hypocrites are that you are talking about but you have contadicted your statement. you just posted a scripture that says judge not, but you are so argumentive and defensive as though you hit the prophetess Dr. Bynum yourself. It's getting hot here and I don't find arguing about a situation that I did not witness a bit fun. PRAYING FOR THE PROPHETESS.

LOL She ain't no "PROPHETESS"....

Did she "prophesize" that she was gonna get hit??? :cool:

[D_bkny]

"BLACKMAN"7 MY mistake for continuing to speak to you. I initially felt sorry 4 you but that last comment was from a person so intrenched in ignorance that logical conversation is waste of the precious time God has given me to enjoy & work on His planet. You are simply sad & pathetic....ridiculous I just hope you are not involved in a relationship because YOU are clearly an abuser and disrespectful of women, whom you seem to have a great deal of hostility & animosity towards. I'm not sure what your mom did to or didn't do for you, you thought & comments reveal your weakness.

Signed,
a women celebrating 15+ years of marraige to A REAL & STRONG RESPECTRFUL LOVING BLACKMAN WHO LOVES ME OH SO RIGHT!!!


I agree with you. This person is clearly not all together there. Plain...fact...simple.

[Blackman7]

Blackman, blackman, blackman. Another perfect example of a verse taken out of context. My dear Blackman, would look at Romans 16 and tell me what you think of that.:rolleyes:

I just read Romans 16...

King Solomon, who God blessed with wisdom and was the RICHEST and WISEST man of his time, had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Many godly men mentioned in the bible had more than one woman. No GODLY woman mentioned in the bible had more than one husband or more than ONE man her whole life.

[ntlkngthrurseclrdglsses]

As we all know , women who have high profile lives often use their position to belittle their spouses who may not be as well known as them. I am not excusing his or her behavior ( it could have possibly started as a self defense move that got out of hand) Lets look at the situation, honestly. 1- they are going through a seperation. 2- the marriage has been rocky for a while. 3- 4am at a hotel near the airport ??? when you have a mega church and are friends with what is considered the top christian pastor in america (t.d. jakes) why then put your self (either of them) in a situation where emotions can run amuck and this sort of thing occurs? 4- there have been whisperings that he is ... to quote wendy williams.. "how you doin" if you dont know what that means then oh well. 5- when are women going to stop thinking they can change a man? 6- and finally practice what you preach ( she's no saint and that is not a stab at her past that is a reflection of her present)I would and could say more in more detail but ... lets just say it will all come out in the end so lets not wait to exhale ( on both sides)

[Blackman7]

I agree with you. This person is clearly not all together there. Plain...fact...simple.

Many "black americans" don't agree with me. Professor Charles S. Murray wrote about such negroes in his book entitled, "The Bell Curve".

[D_bkny]

The bottom line is that what a man and his wife do is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

Like the BIBLE says, What God has joined together, let NO man take apart!


Sir, if ignorance is bliss you're going to be happy for a long time. I wish you well.

[Blackman7]

I said this one before (you got to catch in on the earlier boards)

A GOOD husband ought to love their wives even as Christ also loved the church....

and

A Good husband ought to love their wives as their own bodies. (nuff said, so don't go there no more)

A foolish, troublesome, argumentative, disagreeable wife isn't WORTH loving.

Instead of women concerning themselves with a man LOVING them, they should instead concern themselves with being WORTHY of love!

[ntlkngthrurseclrdglsses]

Oh and the whole "prophetess" thing. She is that, but not in the context that your using. She "PROFITESS" off the suffering of women. And he "PROFITED" from her suffering and desire to have a man. Neither got what they were bargaining for.

[Blackman7]

Sir, if ignorance is bliss you're going to be happy for a long time. I wish you well.

And if sticking your long, probing nose in other peoples business makes you happy, I hope nobody breaks wind the next time you stick your nose in. ;)

[purvpat]

I think the man needs to find god because somewhere along the line he's lost him.:mad:

[EM3]

CHECK THIS OUT..... There's one very important point being overlooked ?????? THE MAN GOT UP AND LEFT ( not only the room ) but "THE BUILDING"..... Now being a Lady of her stature, she should've left well enough alone..... NO ;" SHE WENT AFTER HIM"; pushing his buttons; (as some women like to do) all the way into THE PARKING LOT !!!!! So the questions stands; " WHO'S THE REAL VICTIM" The one trying to walk away, defusing a bad situation??? "OR" The one trying to menipulate, by intagenizing the other person to the boiling point, (" pouring gasoline on a fire") untill she gets the reaction needed, to put there presonal business "IN THE STREETS"; While running under the umbrella of "DEMOSTIC VOILANCE" inflaming the emotions of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, particulary women who will Rally to the cause ("as if "), while she gains leverage, protection, and control over the situation..... Objective ......." THE DISTRUCTION OF THE REPUATION " of a Man of God in the eyes of the Black Community NATIONWIDE !!!!! And so My Brothers, "We must never forget our bibical histroy".... It was Eve who deceived Adam in the Garden......... " OR " in 21first centery terms; " YOU'VE JUST GOT PLAYED "......... EM3

[mikeuknow1]

I like the first paragraph, It could be next door and you dont pay as much attention to this subject as you should. Tina got beat for years but nobody said anything it was and still is a bad joke to this very day. ALL MEN THAT PUTS THERE HANDS ON WOMEN ARE PUNKS. COME SEE ME

[Blackman7]

I like the first paragraph, It could be next door and you dont pay as much attention to this subject as you should. Tina got beat for years but nobody said anything it was and still is a bad joke to this very day. ALL MEN THAT PUTS THERE HANDS ON WOMEN ARE PUNKS. COME SEE ME

Mike Tyson beat his ex wife Robin Givens, and he would beat the hell out of YOU. There are MANY men who would beat a woman and beat a man too!

[tigerlily]

We will never know the events that led up to the Bynum-Weeks separation. However, it is NEVER acceptable to beat/abuse your spouse. Period. As stated in previous posts this probably has happened before behind closed doors. I pray that they can settle this matter privately.

[Blackman7]

We will never know the events that led up to the Bynum-Weeks separation. However, it is NEVER acceptable to beat/abuse your spouse. Period. As stated in previous posts this probably has happened before behind closed doors. I pray that they can settle this matter privately.

Wise people are gonna be wise and fools are gonna be fools, that's why wise men MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS, and don't CARE about what married folks do!

[tigerlily]

Wise people are gonna be wise and fools are gonna be fools, that's why wise men MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS, and don't CARE about what married folks do!

:rolleyes: Why are people so angry???

In the Bynum-Weeks case wise people care about them because its obvious they are hurting. Wise people care because it does affect our community as well.

Furthermore, I will not be baited by certain board members. I will address constructive comments only.

[Blackman7]

:rolleyes: Why are people so angry???

In the Bynum-Weeks case wise people care about them because its obvious they are hurting. Wise people care because it does affect our community as well.

Furthermore, I will not be baited by certain board members. I will address constructive comments only.

Who's angry??? :)

African american women have a 63% DIVORCE RATE and 70% of all black american kids are raised in homes WITHOUT FATHERS. According to the experts, the number one cause of poverty is the SINGLE PARENT FAMILY.

The majority of young black males convicted of violent crimes(usually against other blacks) were raised in homes WITHOUT FATHERS.

It is black folks LACK OF MORALS..not Bishop Weeks, that's destroying our communities!

[shebalove]

And in my defense, I've been listening to Mike for 4 years and he turns every topic into a religious bashing topic. One time he was talking about kids who are not reading and he said that its the church's fault. Come on. what kind of nonsens is this. If Mike can keep it real with us, we can keep it real with him. Don't get me wrong, I do like some of his topics, but sometimes he goes overboard with his bashing of christians. I am sure that religious men are not the only ones who beat on women, but we only have a post about a minister. Yesterday, they were talking about the Jena 6 incident, and it turned into a minister bashing show.

With all due respect, you can't have it both ways. If you are so offended about Mike's alledged "bashing" of Christians, then why have you been listening for the past four years. In addition, you appear to be continuing to tune in. You are either offended or you are not. In one sentence you say he turns "every topic into a religious bashing topic", in another you say "...I do like some of his topics". Is it every or some? Just food for thought!

[darcanjle04]

Christians are not the only ones that are wrong. Actually, wrong has nothing to do with religion. if a man puts his hands on a woman whether he is christian, muslim, buddhist, whatever, he is a coward and a weak man that needs his own butt kicked. There will be NO man to put his hands on me and not face the possibility of death. Period.

[JukeboxJones]

How can you call yourself a Man of God and you beat up your wife, He isn't a real man. He needs to pick on someone his own size, step to a man with that and see what would happen.

I hope the police finds him, it is like in Madea's Class Reunion, call the police and see how he will act. If he is a real man, he will fight another man, not beat up his woman.

The Minister has a tarnished reputation because of this, and if you don't believe me, just ask Jim Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart how their ministries are doing.

[hannah123]

Could someone PLEASE post the 8 signs the doctor listed yesterday? I was driving and couldn't catch them all...

[Sandi]

Mike's show is entertainment and like any other form of entertainment like television shows or radio shows, sometimes you like what you hear and sometimes you don't. We have two radio stations in NYC, WBLS and 98.7KISS FM. Sometimes I like what one has on and sometimes I don't. With Mike's show, somtimes I like what I hear and sometimes I don't, just like with Oprah, Tyran Banks and any other show. Okay, I didn't mean to say every show, but he does turn alot of shows into religious bashing. One time he did a show "Why Little Johnny can't read" and he blame the church not the parents and the school system. Another time he did a show on AID, which I was very interested to hear until he stared blaming the church. Why not blame the medical community and people for not protecting themselves. Another time he did a discrimination and racial show and he again blame the church. They have organizations established to help people whose been discrimianted against. You have the Division of Civil Rights, The Equal Opportnity Employment Commision, & NAACP. During his discussion of the Jena 6 he never put down any of these organizations for not doing anything. He only put the church.

No I don't like his shows on Swingers, Nudity, "Why not legalize Prositition", Or "Is Porn becaming Mainstream. I do like his business, health, and polical shows. I also like his Friday shows they seem fun and I like music. I also don't like his "Pimp in the Pulpit show because he only talks about the bad that minsters do. He never talks about the good things that they do like establshed food pantry to feed the poor and visit the sick. Also, he seem misinformed about the money the ministeres received. Most ministers today, receive a salary and don't even see the money that comes on. It is the Tresurer that collects the money and give them an Accounts Report. The ministers salary is decided by a church's committee. Salaries vary depending on size of the church and it members. Some churches have more rich members then others. He see a couple of rich churces on television and he thinks that they are all the same. Most churches in our communities are poor. Since he has gotten so much slack from the religious community about his constant put downs, he has tone it down a bit and has started saying not all ministers and has even had some ministers on. However, he alway has ministers who only agree with him.

Mike's show is a community base public show and like most of these shows, people have the right to voice there opinions and concerns either via email, letter, or message board. Mike's show is for grown people and most grown people are going to give their opinions. I am 49 years old and I don't have to agree with everything that someones says. Mike is entitled to his opinion and I am entitled to mine. You can continue to defend Mike and I will continue to defend God. Its amazing how people treat these entertainers and radio people like God. I'm sure if he was broke and working for Burger King, people wouldn't even be defending him like they are.

I am a objective listener. I am not a gold digging groupie. Like family, we agree and disagree.



With all due respect, you can't have it both ways. If you are so offended about Mike's alledged "bashing" of Christians, then why have you been listening for the past four years. In addition, you appear to be continuing to tune in. You are either offended or you are not. In one sentence you say he turns "every topic into a religious bashing topic", in another you say "...I do like some of his topics". Is it every or some? Just food for thought!

[Dream On]

Could someone PLEASE post the 8 signs the doctor listed yesterday? I was driving and couldn't catch them all...


1. Does he/she try to sabotage anything you do that does not involve him/her?
2. Does he/she put you down or find fault with you?
3. Does he/she make so many demands that you don’t have time for anything except things for him/her?
4. Does he/she threaten you?
5. Does he/she have so many mood swings that you stay on edge?
6. Does he/she try to isolate you from your support system (family, friends or work)?
7. Does he/she exhibit extreme jealousy?
8. Is he/she obsessed with you?



IDV
Isolate
Dominate
Violate

[CHayes2638]

Mike :confused: ,
In response to your show about domestic abuse and to your callers that are currently in violent situations, I was disappointed that you and Dr. Grant kept telling the victims that he (or their significant other) needed to get help and that they should leave. Although BOTH are true, in MOST cases, the victim also needs to seek psychological help for themselves too. She (or he) is MORE likely to attract the same type of partner if they don't seek treatment for themselves and even for their children. The suggestion that ONLY the abuser needs the help does a disservice to the victims and their children who often repeat the cylcle of abuse. I survived an abusive partner from age 17 to 19 and I know that you CAN NOT make someone get the help they need if they are not ready to get it (like drug addicts). HOWEVER, they can seek help for themselves and their children AND that they do have control over. My last comments are that YOU CHEAT (women vs men), YOU do OVERBASH the Christian Community and you need some new topics and new panel of speakers. Why don't you do a show on churches and ministries that do good!

[CHayes2638]

Mike :confused: ,
In response to your show about domestic abuse and to your callers that are currently in violent situations, I was disappointed that you and Dr. Grant kept telling the victims that he (or their significant other) needed to get help and that they should leave. Although BOTH are true, in MOST cases, the victim also needs to seek psychological help for themselves too. She (or he) is MORE likely to attract the same type of partner if they don't seek treatment for themselves and even for their children. The suggestion that ONLY the abuser needs the help does a disservice to the victims and their children who often repeat the cylcle of abuse. I survived an abusive partner from age 17 to 19 and I know that you CAN NOT make someone get the help they need if they are not ready to get it (like drug addicts). HOWEVER, they can seek help for themselves and their children AND that they do have control over. My last comments are that YOU CHEAT (women vs men), YOU do OVERBASH the Christian Community and you need some new topics and new panel of speakers. Why don't you do a show on churches and ministries that do good!

[Blackman7]

These are the words of the wise man of God, Sirach, as written in the Apocrypha(the hidden books of the bible).

Only KNOWLEDGE can overcome IGNORANCE.

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Some Extreme Forms of Evil

Sirach 25:13 Any wound, but not a wound of the heart!
Any wickedness, but not the wickedness of a woman!
14 Any suffering, but not suffering from those who hate!
And any vengence, but not the vengence of enemies!
15 There is no venom worse than a snake's venom,
and no anger worse than a woman's wrath.

The Evil of a Wicked Woman

Sirach 25:16 I would rather live with a lion and a dragon
than live with an evil woman.
17 A woman's wickedness changes her appearance,
and darkens her face like that of a bear.
18 Her husband sits among the neighbors,
and he cannot help sighing bitterly.
19 Any iniquity is small compared to a woman's iniquity;
may a sinner's lot befall her!
20 A sandy ascent for the feet of the aged--
such is a garrulous wife to a quiet husband.
21 Do not be ensnared by a woman's beauty,
and do not desire a woman for her possessions.
22 There is wrath and impudence and great disgrace
when a wife supports her husband.
23 Dejected mind, gloomy face,
and wounded heart come from an evil wife.
Drooping hands and weak knees
come from the wife who does not make her husband happy.
24 From a woman sin had its beginning,
and because of her we all die.
25 Allow no outlet to water,
and no boldness of speech to an evil wife.
26 If she does not go as you direct,
separate her from yourself.

[Blackman7]

More from the wise man of God, Sirach:

Concerning Sexual Sins

Sirach 23:16 Two kinds of individuals multiply sins,
and a third incurs wrath.
Hot passion that blazes like a fire
will not be quenched until it burns itself out;
one who commits fornication with his near of kin
will never cease until the fire burns him up.
17 To a fornicator all bread is sweet;
he will never weary until he dies.
18 The one who sins against his marriage bed
says to himself, "Who can see me?
Darkness surrounds me, the walls hide me,
and no one sees me. Why should I worry?
The Most High will not remember sins."
19 His fear is confined to human eyes
and he does not realize that the eyes of the Lord
are ten thousand times brighter than the sun;
they look upon every aspect of human behavior
and see into hidden corners.
20 Before the universe was created, it was known to him,
and so it is since its completion.
21 This man will be punished in the streets of the city,
and where he least suspects it, he will be seized.
22 So it is with a woman who leaves her husband
and presents him with an heir by another man.
23 For first of all, she has disobeyed the law of the Most High;
second, she has committed an offense against her husband;
and third, through her fornication she has committed adultery
and brought forth children by another man.
24 She herself will be brought before the assembly,
and her punishment will extend to her children.
25 Her children will not take root,
and her branches will not bear fruit.
26 She will leave behind an accursed memory
and her disgrace will never be blotted out.
27 Those who survive her will recognize
that nothing is better than the fear of the Lord,
and nothing sweeter than to heed the commandments of the Lord.

[brooklyn1969]

Sandi: "However, it seems like Mike always takes an opportunity and uses just about every topic to bash on religious people. "

Ok, I have to somewhat agree w/Sandi....It's very subtle, but it's there. He attempts to balance it out....but I've noticed it too.

Note: I enjoy Mike's show, and think that in comparison to other talk show host, he is very unbiased, but....he's not perfect.


Second Comment: Why is it that when a woman has been raped, or beaten, that some people (in particular other women) imply that she must have done "something" to "provoke" him? I've never understood this. It's Crazy.......

[Blackman7]

Sandi: "However, it seems like Mike always takes an opportunity and uses just about every topic to bash on religious people. "

Ok, I have to somewhat agree w/Sandi....It's very subtle, but it's there. He attempts to balance it out....but I've noticed it too.

Note: I enjoy Mike's show, and think that in comparison to other talk show host, he is very unbiased, but....he's not perfect.


Second Comment: Why is it that when a woman has been raped, or beaten, that some people (in particular other women) imply that she must have done "something" to "provoke" him? I've never understood this. It's Crazy.......


I was gangraped by a group of older black girls(ages 9-12) when I was 4 years old. One of the girls later became my babysitter and she continued teaching me about sex.

[jedwalker]

What was she doing at the hotel? That's the question!

[jedwalker]

In response to Blackman7, do you know the original definition of fornication? It has nothing to do with marriage! It is derived from the greek word pornea, which means illegal or illicit sex. Sex between 2 conscenting adults is not illegal or illicit and therefore is not fornication. Don't let your church leaders dictate your knowledge. Look for the source for the real truth.

That is not to say that sex is okay with anyone you feel attracted to. There is still a moral obligation involved but you should not feel guilty or sinful for having sex with your boyfriend or girlfriend. I doubt if God will hold that against you since it is he who brought you two together. Whether you end up in marriage or not depends on the two individuals but you didn't meet each other by chance and there is nothing wrong with expressing you love to each other without having to sign a legal document. That is straight fraggernackel bull!

[Blackman7]

In response to Blackman7, do you know the original definition of fornication? It has nothing to do with marriage! It is derived from the greek word pornea, which means illegal or illicit sex. Sex between 2 conscenting adults is not illegal or illicit and therefore is not fornication. Don't let your church leaders dictate your knowledge. Look for the source for the real truth.

That is not to say that sex is okay with anyone you feel attracted to. There is still a moral obligation involved but you should not feel guilty or sinful for having sex with your boyfriend or girlfriend. I doubt if God will hold that against you since it is he who brought you two together. Whether you end up in marriage or not depends on the two individuals but you didn't meet each other by chance and there is nothing wrong with expressing you love to each other without having to sign a legal document. That is straight fraggernackel bull!

Unmarried sex and homosexuality may have been condoned by the ancient Greeks and Romans, but before the invasion of the white man, many people had MORALS in Africa. The Zulus, for example, frowned on sex without marriage. That's why in the film, "Shaka Zulu", they were gonna kill his mother, Nandi, before she gave birth to her ILLEGITIMATE baby. She had UNMARRIED SEX with Shaka's father and they didn't want a bastard(illegitimate child)for their chief.

Deuteronomy 23:2 ~ A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

The only way a child can be born a bastard is through FORNICATION or ADULTERY. (disobeying God's commandments)

The Almighty God is NEVER wrong!

[wiztray]

Above and Beyond the Issue

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Verbal Abuse?.... Thats bad. Physical Abuse thats very bad. Everyone is going to talk about that topic, exhaust that topic, speak about the obvious, which is there is never an excuse for Physical abuse.However, let me touch on something that people may never talk about, which is the misleading of God's people in the name of God supposedly for God. This powerhouse couple started off as a genuine honest to goodness force to be reckoned with but along the way it was tainted and it was no longer pure. Those who are truly listening the heart of God shouldve sensed that. They shouldve known that even though this ministry has kept going strong with their "teach me to love you" series and ministries, that the latter 2 yrs was a farce. They had several of these conferences up to last month with a worldwide attendance including my Cousins from England who are so dedicated to this ministry that they go to all thier appearances all over the Uk as well as to come all the way to the US, sometimes 2-3 times a year to hear what they have to say and dont even visit me!!! Going to thier conferences are not cheap either. They are some of the most expensive registration fees around. Ranging from 150.00 and up. Then there are CD's and books and Partner/ministry membership donations which are solicited in the name of the Lord. People pay these things and fly all over the country because they beleive what they say. They beleive that they live what they preach and look to implement these practises in thier lives.
It is no wonder then, that God has to intervene and expose the lie. You see, when you do things in the name of the Lord, ultimately there is a price to pay if you are not authentic in your representation. As Numbers 32 vs23 clearly states: "be sure your sins will find you out."
I want to point out: .. none of my girlfriends who closely follow thier ministry including my cousins are still not married and consequently not "learning to love anyone."

My point.... These two ministers...Perfect example of the people participating in modern day idol worship. Domestic abuse is wrong and always will be. Them being men and women of the cloth are totally irrevelant.Everyone s ranting and raving that they are "pastors". i tell you what all you outraged beleivers..lets just look at this as a pure example of God trying to tell us something. All things done in the dark does come to light. Those who exalt themselves and have people exalt them higher than the almighty, have to fall...and those who make a mockery of God will be publicly exposed. We should just watch, seek understanding and wisdom in all things and repent for our own sins lest we fall victims to the same. It is not our job to further uncover anyone's nakedness. God is always.....always on the job. So for those bashing either Ms. Bynum or Bishop Weeks be very careful what you say.
Remember: It is our job to love
It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict
It is GOD"S job to judge
I think he has done that,very well thus far.

[Blackman7]

Thanks wiztray!

That was very well said and intelligent!

[StormyJ]

where did you get that Yoruba proverb? I am a female Yoruba priest. women are highly respected as part of the clergy. there are many iles (congregations) headed by women. thereis none of that women be silent stuff in our religion. I think your proverb is bogus. I never heard it. Blackman7, you seem like you have a problem with women period. I feel a lot of hostility toward women coming from you. In our tradition, there are the Iyami (spiritual mothers of the Earth). they are not pleased with the disrespect that is being shown toward the women -- especially in the Black community. Abusers of women -- physical (the bishop) and verbal (BLackman7) will have to suffer the wrath of the Iyami. They don't play. Be careful how you treat women and what comes out of your mouth because if the Iyami (e-ya-me) jump on you, you won't know what hit you (sickness and sorrow).

[Blackman7]

where did you get that Yoruba proverb? I am a female Yoruba priest. women are highly respected as part of the clergy. there are many iles (congregations) headed by women. thereis none of that women be silent stuff in our religion. I think your proverb is bogus. I never heard it. Blackman7, you seem like you have a problem with women period. I feel a lot of hostility toward women coming from you. In our tradition, there are the Iyami (spiritual mothers of the Earth). they are not pleased with the disrespect that is being shown toward the women -- especially in the Black community. Abusers of women -- physical (the bishop) and verbal (BLackman7) will have to suffer the wrath of the Iyami. They don't play. Be careful how you treat women and what comes out of your mouth because if the Iyami (e-ya-me) jump on you, you won't know what hit you (sickness and sorrow).

LOL I don't have anything against women. Like the ancient Nigerian proverb states:
A woman is like a horse, he who can drive her is her master.
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Stormy: "In our tradition, there are the Iyami (spiritual mothers of the Earth). they are not pleased with the disrespect that is being shown toward the women -- especially in the Black community. Abusers of women -- physical (the bishop) and verbal (BLackman7) will have to suffer the wrath of the Iyami. They don't play. Be careful how you treat women and what comes out of your mouth because if the Iyami (e-ya-me) jump on you, you won't know what hit you (sickness and sorrow)."

LOL Sorry, but mankind has ALREADY been CURSED with trouble and sickness. Mankind must die because of the ORIGINAL SIN, which started with Eve! (the first black woman)

Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.


Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:


Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

[Jordana]

I pity the Prophetess Bynum and the Bishop Week. I was sexually and physically abused virtually all of my childhood. My testimony of Jesus "leaving the 99 to go after the 1 lost" is real and strong. Early on I became wary of religious folk who refused to interevene on my behalf because at age 8 I did tell that my stepfather and the various males of his family were molesting me. When Juanita Bynum starting her between the sheets tours my discernment could not accept her as the religious prophetess she claimed to be. People that tap into our private, hidden pain are not always pure in motive.
I resent her and her husband laying hands on vulnerable, hurting folk they have worked up to a frenzy using the Word of God. I resent this prophetess claiming she can see the future and counsel others lives yet she ran after a man that was apparently furious and wanting to be clear of her presence. All the religious labels will come undone for so many will be exposed for building wealth at the expense of the poor and having their lifestyles elevated supposedly because it is the will of God for them to become rich and famous.

It is the will of God that we live in the world but do not take part of its greed for bad fruit can not come from a good tree and those who benefit from putting themselves first will be last. Shame on them both for claiming a spiritual annointing that clearly is not within them. Yes , they are human - too mortal and self involved to stand in a pulpit as an example of Jesus' life and teachings. God help us to know when to allow religious leaders to step down and be exposed as no more and no better than average folk without us grieving that yet again the truth is almost more than black folk can bear.

[Blackman7]

I pity the Prophetess Bynum and the Bishop Week. I was sexually and physically abused virtually all of my childhood. My testimony of Jesus "leaving the 99 to go after the 1 lost" is real and strong. Early on I became wary of religious folk who refused to interevene on my behalf because at age 8 I did tell that my stepfather and the various males of his family were molesting me. When Juanita Bynum starting her between the sheets tours my discernment could not accept her as the religious prophetess she claimed to be. People that tap into our private, hidden pain are not always pure in motive.
I resent her and her husband laying hands on vulnerable, hurting folk they have worked up to a frenzy using the Word of God. I resent this prophetess claiming she can see the future and counsel others lives yet she ran after a man that was apparently furious and wanting to be clear of her presence. All the religious labels will come undone for so many will be exposed for building wealth at the expense of the poor and having their lifestyles elevated supposedly because it is the will of God for them to become rich and famous.

It is the will of God that we live in the world but do not take part of its greed for bad fruit can not come from a good tree and those who benefit from putting themselves first will be last. Shame on them both for claiming a spiritual annointing that clearly is not within them. Yes , they are human - too mortal and self involved to stand in a pulpit as an example of Jesus' life and teachings. God help us to know when to allow religious leaders to step down and be exposed as no more and no better than average folk without us grieving that yet again the truth is almost more than black folk can bear.

Everything that blacks do wrong in this country, they learned from the white man.

The master influences the slave.

[wiztray]

I pity the Prophetess Bynum and the Bishop Week. I was sexually and physically abused virtually all of my childhood. My testimony of Jesus "leaving the 99 to go after the 1 lost" is real and strong. Early on I became wary of religious folk who refused to interevene on my behalf because at age 8 I did tell that my stepfather and the various males of his family were molesting me. When Juanita Bynum starting her between the sheets tours my discernment could not accept her as the religious prophetess she claimed to be. People that tap into our private, hidden pain are not always pure in motive.
I resent her and her husband laying hands on vulnerable, hurting folk they have worked up to a frenzy using the Word of God. I resent this prophetess claiming she can see the future and counsel others lives yet she ran after a man that was apparently furious and wanting to be clear of her presence. All the religious labels will come undone for so many will be exposed for building wealth at the expense of the poor and having their lifestyles elevated supposedly because it is the will of God for them to become rich and famous.

It is the will of God that we live in the world but do not take part of its greed for bad fruit can not come from a good tree and those who benefit from putting themselves first will be last. Shame on them both for claiming a spiritual annointing that clearly is not within them. Yes , they are human - too mortal and self involved to stand in a pulpit as an example of Jesus' life and teachings. God help us to know when to allow religious leaders to step down and be exposed as no more and no better than average folk without us grieving that yet again the truth is almost more than black folk can bear.

Well said Jordana... thats what I'm talking about! Being careful who we hold in esteem and keep our eyes on the cross and the bible. It is a very self sacrificing job to lead a multitude. How many of these new age religious figures can we honestly say live a self sacrificing life. Yes God wishes us to be prosper and be in good health but the bible makes far more references to God's wrath, anger and vengeance. We now more than ever have to pay very close attention, there are more atrocities such as this to come in the near future. If we get hung up on the wrong issue we will miss it.

[Justpassion]

Please take heed to what the PERSON that is called BLACKMAN7 is doing, I was here on the forum last night and all he did was argued with the men and women of God, especially the women. Do not give the devil room for a fight in this matter. The Bible says to resist the devil and he will flee from you. THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HAS NO ROOM FOR A SORE, BROKEN, TORN AND SHREDDED SPIRIT THAT IS SOOO SAD,PITYFUL AND FULL OF HATE. BUT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PRAYER FOR OUR BROTHER AND SISTER IN CHRIST.PLEASE be obedient. The spirit of that entity is bold, self centered and ugly. DON'T ARGUE, RESIST THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE FROM YOU!
KEEP THE CONVERSATION HOLY AND DON'T LEAVE ROOM FOR THE ENEMY.
READ THROUGH THE LINES.
GOD BLESS!!! DO NOT LET ANY ONE OR ANYTHING DISRUPT YOUR PRAYING SPIRITS.

GOD BLESS!!!

[Blackman7]

Please take heed to what the entity that is titled here called BLACKMAN7 is doing, I was here on the forum last night and all he did was argued with the men and women of God, especially the women. Do not give the devil room for a fight in this matter. The Bible says to resist the devil and he will flee from you. THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HAS NO ROOM FOR A SORE, BROKEN, TORN AND SHREDDED SPIRIT THAT IS SOOO SAD,PITYFUL AND FULL OF HATE. BUT PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PRAYER FOR OUR BROTHER AND SISTER IN CHRIST.PLEASE be obedient. The spirit of that entity is bold, self centered and ugly. DON'T ARGUE, RESIST THE DEVIL AND HE WILL FLEE FROM YOU!
KEEP THE CONVERSATION HOLY AND DON'T LEAVE ROOM FOR THE ENEMY.
READ THROUGH THE LINES.
GOD BLESS!!! DO NOT LET ANY ONE OR ANYTHING DISRUPT YOUR PRAYING SPIRITS.

GOD BLESS!!!

In otherwords, only say what "Justpassion" WANTS to hear. That's the only thing that the simple can accept.
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When fools hear the truth, they get mad; when wise men hear the truth, they learn and become wiser.---Lao Tse

Justpassion got MAD when SHE heard the truth!

[Justpassion]

about what, you being rapped by all those girls? Nobodys mad but you!

Remember I don't leave room for the enemy and I really do believe that you are on the wrong page. Find a forum for abused angry ''BLACKMEN''. it will make you feel better about the remarks you leave. This has nothing to do with your issues, you post remarks that are so ugly about black women. what are you doing here? once again, I'm not angry, I'm a real woman!!!!!!

[wiztray]

I've tried to give all of these preachers a fair shake but this takes the cake. 2 preachers involved in a tragedy that, I am sure, they've 'counseled' other married couples against. And she is suppose to be the very essence of a 'strong black woman'.

All this stuff and much more (I mean, you just can't make up the stuff going on in these churches) are detailed in the documentary titled All in the Name of God (www.allinthenameofgod.com).

CHECK IT OUT FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!

It also shows what signs to look for as far as abusive church leaders go. As stated above, I am SICK OF CHURCH FOLKS and this documentary helps further my argument!!




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Above and Beyond the Issue

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Verbal Abuse?.... Thats bad. Physical Abuse thats very bad. Everyone is going to talk about that topic, exhaust that topic, speak about the obvious, which is there is never an excuse for Physical abuse.However, let me touch on something that people may never talk about, which is the misleading of God's people in the name of God supposedly for God. This powerhouse couple started off as a genuine honest to goodness force to be reckoned with but along the way it was tainted and it was no longer pure. Those who are truly listening the heart of God shouldve sensed that. They shouldve known that even though this ministry has kept going strong with their "teach me to love you" series and ministries, that the latter 2 yrs was a farce. They had several of these conferences up to last month with a worldwide attendance including my Cousins from England who are so dedicated to this ministry that they go to all thier appearances all over the Uk as well as to come all the way to the US, sometimes 2-3 times a year to hear what they have to say and dont even visit me!!! Going to thier conferences are not cheap either. They are some of the most expensive registration fees around. Ranging from 150.00 and up. Then there are CD's and books and Partner/ministry membership donations which are solicited in the name of the Lord. People pay these things and fly all over the country because they beleive what they say. They beleive that they live what they preach and look to implement these practises in thier lives.
It is no wonder then, that God has to intervene and expose the lie. You see, when you do things in the name of the Lord, ultimately there is a price to pay if you are not authentic in your representation. As Numbers 32 vs23 clearly states: "be sure your sins will find you out."
I want to point out: .. none of my girlfriends who closely follow thier ministry including my cousins are still not married and consequently not "learning to love anyone."

My point.... These two ministers...Perfect example of the people participating in modern day idol worship. Domestic abuse is wrong and always will be. Them being men and women of the cloth are totally irrevelant.Everyone s ranting and raving that they are "pastors". i tell you what all you outraged beleivers..lets just look at this as a pure example of God trying to tell us something. All things done in the dark does come to light. Those who exalt themselves and have people exalt them higher than the almighty, have to fall...and those who make a mockery of God will be publicly exposed. We should just watch, seek understanding and wisdom in all things and repent for our own sins lest we fall victims to the same. It is not our job to further uncover anyone's nakedness. God is always.....always on the job. So for those bashing either Ms. Bynum or Bishop Weeks be very careful what you say.
Remember: It is our job to love
It is the Holy Spirit's job to convict
It is GOD"S job to judge
I think he has done that,very well thus far.

[Justpassion]

I must go for now, I have a job. I do not have time to sit here all day and listen to you criticise all the black women that encounter here.

You have a Blessed day and remember to check your spirit and your heart to see why you are attacking these sisters and brothers that did nothing to you.
Ask God for a clean heart like David did, He will deliver.

[Blackman7]

True words are not fine-sounding and fine-sounding words are not true---Chinese Proverb

Justpassion, You'll become a REAL woman when you can take the UGLY TRUTH!

[Blackman7]

about what, you being rapped by all those girls? Nobodys mad but you!

Remember I don't leave room for the enemy and I really do believe that you are on the wrong page. Find a forum for abused angry ''BLACKMEN''. it will make you feel better about the remarks you leave. This has nothing to do with your issues, you post remarks that are so ugly about black women. what are you doing here? once again, I'm not angry, I'm a real woman!!!!!!

If you aren't mad, then why are you COMPLAINING??? If you aren't angry, then the truth shouldn't bother you! :)

[Justpassion]

Like I said, I AM A REAL WOMAN, NOT A WANT TO BE WOMAN.
AND YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT YOUR "CHINESE PROVERB'' THAT DONT MEAN A THING TO ME. I AM BLACK WOMAN WHO BELIEVES WHAT THE HOLY BIBLE SAYS NOT WHAT CHINESE MEN WROTE.
AGAIN, GOD BLESS, I WILL RETURN LATER TO SEE WHO ELSE YOU ARE TRYING TO CORRUPT WITH YOUR LIES AND CUNNING STATEMENTS

YOU HAVE AN ARGUMENTIVE SPIRIT FROM THE PITS OF HELL AND YOUR HEART AND MIND NEEDS TO BE RENEWED. THAT IS MY PRAYER FOR YOU BLACK--MAN7.

GOD BLESS YOU 7X'S 7.

[Stephanie3173]

It's ashame that she was beaten by her husband who is suppose to be a man of God. I just hope that people don't start assuming that all religious men are like that. It's unfortunate that she was beaten and my prayers go out to her. However, it seems like Mike always takes an opportunity and uses just about every topic to bash on religious people. Okay, I respect that he's not a religious person, but, he doesn't have to bash on those who are. I understand that they are some phony relgious people but not all. He seems to be for porn stars and everyone who is into sex, but not for religious people. This doesn't send a good message to our young people who are now listening to his show. He was even glorifying nudist.

When I see religious men like Reverend Run from Run's House and what good examples he is setting has a husband, father and a man in general, it brings joy to my heart to see that some religous men are applyin the bible in their lives. So you can see that when a man of God really loves God and apply what the bible says in his life, he would love and cherish his wife and not beat her.

This show is for entertainment purposes only. Don't listen to Mr. Baisden show if you dislike his formum. I am a Christian and disagree with the show because "I" feel it could be done in better taste but thats my feeling.
Remember Mr. Baisden is doing a job for entertainment purposes only!

[chelluv00]

I went to school w/Thomas Wesley Weeks III, and somethings never change, it doesn't matter how much religion you have, if you have no self restraint and address the proplems then religion means nothing! People have to want to change! This is not the first incident he has had w/abusing women and this pattern of behavior was in him at a young age, when he physically hit(slapped, punched and kicked) several female students (myself included) at various times throughout the school year(Shue-Medill Middle School Newark, DE 19711). He's a BULLY! he was much taller and stronger than alot of the kids in school and the fact that his father was a pastor made him think he could do anything, so alot of his bad behavior in school was overlooked. Maybe if he would have gotten help back then, maybe his wife wouldn't have been a victim at his hands.

MH

[queenprissy]

to you stephanie 3173:

this show may be for entertainment but its the truth.

[Blackman7]

Juanita took another woman's husband - but she's called by God?
How? I think what you rip, you sew or as Malcolm X said - the chickens have come home to roost. I did not like the fact that they celebrated their adultery on national TV, spent people's hard earned money (over $1M) and went before God as if their love was pure. People - wake up! These pastors are human just like us! Turn to the Lord God himself for guidance and direction - not money hungry, false prophets, adulterers, who care less about your soul and more about your money. Mike - she's a fake pastor, too, who got the beat down from her fake pastor husband!

Did "Reverend" Bynum REALLY take another woman's husband? Did Bishop Weeks leave his wife for "Reverend" Bynum?

Is that true?

[beverly]

How do you know that Rev Bynum stole Rev Weeks from his ex-wife? maybe she did, but it would help if you would Please explain what the facts are that you say are true insread of just name calling. as a people we have to get away from all that name calling and just simply state the facts that are true.

[ladynaynay]

Hello Family,
This is my first time posting! So glad to be among family! Regarding Juanita's situation...I must say...I believe that all things happen for a reason. More often than not the reason is for God to know and us to find out. These two people attracted one another for a reason which remains to be examined and understood by both of them.

She got beat down for a reason. One that may have nothing to do with him. He is a fugitive for a reason. One that may have nothing to do with what he did. I can't help but wonder if them being "pimps in the pulpit" has anything to do with what has happened.

I've watched her show. I saw their wedding. I say may the Lord have Mercy on them both...they're gonna need it.

ladynaynay \o/

[tigerlily]

Evangelist's Husband Released On Bond


ATLANTA (AP) -- The minister husband of evangelist and gospel singer Juanita Bynum was released on bond after turning himself in Friday morning to face charges that he beat her outside a hotel earlier this week.

Thomas W. Weeks III, known to his followers as Bishop Weeks, was accompanied by his lawyer when he surrendered at the Fulton County Jail, said Atlanta Police spokesman James Polite.

After a hearing at the jail, Weeks' bond was set at $40,000 and his case was referred for grand jury action. He was released on bond Friday afternoon. One condition of his bond is that Weeks have no contact with his wife or her sister.

The minister faces charges of aggravated assault and terroristic threats following a confrontation in which he left his estranged wife badly bruised, police said.

Officer Ronald Campbell said earlier this week that during an argument outside a hotel, Weeks choked Bynum, then "pushed her down to the ground and started to kick her and also stomp on her." A hotel employee intervened and pulled Weeks off of her, he said.

Bynum met with authorities Thursday to press the charges against Weeks. In a statement released by her publicist, Bynum said she was recovering from her injuries.

After the hearing, Weeks' attorney, Ed Garland, told reporters, "The bishop is very hopeful that there can be a reconciliation in this case. He loves his wife and he regrets that the events have occurred." The couple is separated but there has been no divorce filing, Garland said.

He said Weeks' side of the story would be presented in court, not the media.

The charges leveled against Weeks are felonies, but Garland said, "We do not believe it rises to the level of a felony."

He also said that after Weeks consults with other pastors, including his father, "We are very hopeful he may be able to continue to lead the ministry that he does at this time."

He said Weeks himself would not issue a comment.

Bynum is a former hairdresser and flight attendant who became a Pentecostal evangelist, author and gospel singer. Her ministry blossomed after she preached at a singles event about breaking free of sexual promiscuity. Among her books are "No More Sheets: The Truth About Sex" and "Matters of the Heart."

Her album "A Piece of My Passion" had been listed in the top 10 gospel albums by Billboard magazine for several months. She also preaches through televised sermons.

Weeks is the founder of Global Destiny churches. The couple married in 2002. Together, they wrote "Teach Me How to Love You: The Beginnings."

[Lewisessence4@aol.com]

Praise God Juanita,
I am a victim of domestic violence, and I am a minister who has been preaching the Gospel for more than 13 years, During this time The Lord has been good to me, He has allowed me to share and to give what he wants his children to have and to hear, be a doer of the word be like Job and let men see your courage, faith, and trust, you have been empowering sisters for years. Now it is your season time to be empowered and go forth bolder, than you have ever before, please allow God to use you in a greater capacity, you are the vessel that will bring down wall of oppression that men have over most sister God Bless

[D_bkny]

to you stephanie 3173:

this show may be for entertainment but its the truth.

...according to whom?:D

[ebony63]

I cannot say that any better than Juanita Bynum said it, This too shall pass, and it will. She cannot allow the trick of the enemy to redirect her purpose. She still need to remain focus and hear God. I would like for her to know that people are not being judgmental. Just going to continue to pray that all will be well with her and that she will have a speedy recovery.
God Bless and we love you.

[gwennie]

I am a former minister's wife. I had a confrontation with my ex-husband when he tried to choke me. My reply to him was " if he didn't get his hands from around my neck someone will die that night. I immediately left him and only return to get my things. Many ministers wives are having domestic problems and refuse to leave. Some of them want to stay because of the "First Lady prestige". It an ego thing that unhappiness and lies are so prevalent in the marriage. These wives need to wake up and truly smell the roses because all the lies will eventually come out. I hope Juanita don't continue to live in denial. Domestic violent is real in any relationship.
I can be reached at (225-978-4110) or (225-642-2748)

[wiztray]

Did "Reverend" Bynum REALLY take another woman's husband? Did Bishop Weeks leave his wife for "Reverend" Bynum?

Is that true?

Thomas weeks was separated at the time he begun dating Ms. Bynum. the divorce was not quite final.

[Rozzibee]

Too often we put too much trust in our "ministers". So much so we think that they are above us all and can do no wrong. Granted, being a minister and actively in ministry is an awesome responsibility and one that should not be taken lightly. High profile ministers are always under the public eye of scrutany, scoffers, irs, and the like trying to find the human flaw in the redeemned Supernatural being. Even though we who have accepted the calling on our lives from GOD, we too can choose to do what we feel like doing naturally or let the Word of God settle the issue. If we as a people would allow the Word to be the final authority, things would be much better between us all. Perfect no, but we are made perfect in Christ. Now I don't know what was said or who threw thr first punch, but as a woman of God for many years, I am not afraid to "throw down" but I try to allow the Holy Spirit to be my strength so in times of intense emotional, physical havoc, I can be assured that I can depend on the Holy Spirit being my "Secret Place" if I choose to let Him. When we get out of the spirit, we get in the flesh and that's what happened with them. We all do it but repentance makes the difference. How we handle the things of God is important, including the people that are watching our lives. Getting in the flesh is no excuse for any minister, but it happens, what happens next makes the difference.

[treasures]

I agree with kennedyjones with regard to the fact that we should not "be shocked at this story bc they are Pastors.

We have to stop placing our icon's on a pedestal because of their message. When we hear a pastor or motivational speaker's message, we have to meditate on the message and not the messenger. These well known icons in the community are still human, so that means that they put their pants or skirts on the same way that we do every day.

My hope is that as a community, we don't lose respect for Pastor Bynum! She is human. So, we need to pray for her and not criticize her for being involved in this ordeal. Let's not victimize her anymore than she already has been!


Seriously anything can happen to anyone of us. So we needn't be shocked at this story bc they are Pastors. None of us know what goes on in our fellow church members' or leaders' homes. It goes on everywhere! We should be outraged for ALL instances, not just well known victims or abusers! WHAT ABOUT NAIMA AND RAY? OR JESSICA AND PAUL? OR ABDUL AND SHAEEDA?

I am not condoning physical abuse in any form.....

But I will say this.. man puleez!!!! I reckognize that men are (in most cases) stronger than women. But I tell you what...I might be in the hospital longer than the man who puts his hands on me.. but he will visit the facility as well AS A PATIENT:mad: !!

It is a hurtful thing. My prayers out to all who are involved!

ADDENDUM: Unless we were there or a significant part of the marriage we don't know the events that lead up to or the truth of the event that actually took place. Let us remember that as we formulate our opinions about other people's lives.

[Raine1]

I just read Romans 16...

King Solomon, who God blessed with wisdom and was the RICHEST and WISEST man of his time, had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Many godly men mentioned in the bible had more than one woman. No GODLY woman mentioned in the bible had more than one husband or more than ONE man her whole life.

your right about the multiple wives of solomon but if you had kept reading...and stop only focusing on being right. It also said violating GOD'S plan for marriage caused his downfall & ultimate demise. You simply CAN'T BE THIS BULLHEADED & SICK CAN YOU? Is this some kind of practical joke?

[Raine1]

CHECK THIS OUT..... There's one very important point being overlooked ?????? THE MAN GOT UP AND LEFT ( not only the room ) but "THE BUILDING"..... Now being a Lady of her stature, she should've left well enough alone..... NO ;" SHE WENT AFTER HIM"; pushing his buttons; (as some women like to do) all the way into THE PARKING LOT !!!!! So the questions stands; " WHO'S THE REAL VICTIM" The one trying to walk away, defusing a bad situation??? "OR" The one trying to menipulate, by intagenizing the other person to the boiling point, (" pouring gasoline on a fire") untill she gets the reaction needed, to put there presonal business "IN THE STREETS"; While running under the umbrella of "DEMOSTIC VOILANCE" inflaming the emotions of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, particulary women who will Rally to the cause ("as if "), while she gains leverage, protection, and control over the situation..... Objective ......." THE DISTRUCTION OF THE REPUATION " of a Man of God in the eyes of the Black Community NATIONWIDE !!!!! And so My Brothers, "We must never forget our bibical histroy".... It was Eve who deceived Adam in the Garden......... " OR " in 21first centery terms; " YOU'VE JUST GOT PLAYED "......... EM3
hey "blackman"7 has some company to play with...

[Raine1]

I was gangraped by a group of older black girls(ages 9-12) when I was 4 years old. One of the girls later became my babysitter and she continued teaching me about sex.
THAT is the root of the anger, hurt and bitterness. THERE is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for what they did to you is horrific. I am sorry and as a survivor of years of sexual assault and abuse I would like to offer you the apology that those disgusting, evil, & vile women were not human enough to offer. I am extremely saddened and sorry for what you experienced and for the innocence and purity of spirit that they brutally stole from you. The scared you during a fundamental time of your physical,enotianl and character development and they need to pray for GOD'S mercy and forgiveness. I am praying for your healing and freedom from the bondage that they tried to place you in. May God continue to bless and keep you and your family. One day when God, leads you, I would pray that you share your story with first your kids and then other young men and children. The reality of bous being abused sexually by women is GROSSLY under prosecuted and often joked about. We CAN NOT tolerate the female dogs that take advantage of our beautiful sons any more then the male offenders!!! Why do they get softer punishments? Is sickens me everytime I see some women get off with PROBATION and told to behave when they should be placed under the jail!!!

BLACKMAN7, again my deepest apologies. I respect that you have made it thus far in the struggle. I pray you TRULY allow God to reveal the character of WOMEN, not those beasts that assassinated your spirit before it had the chance to develop. Because a larger number of us are NOTHING like what you have lumped us to be and as much as you want to believe that GOD is as angry at ALL of us as you are, that is not the case just as his mercy extends to you it belongs to all. Stop looking for GOD'S wrath against all those who share the physical features of your attackers, and see the INDIVIDUAL PERSON AS A PERSON DESERVING OF RESPECT, ACCEPTANCE AND LOVE JUST AS YOU DESIRE TO BE SEEN. Is'nt that why your so frustrated/angry because you see the history of nonacceptance, oppression and stereotypes in the eyes of people who look at you? It is NOT fair to you and it is NOT fair to women either. SEEK WHOLENESS NOT war TRUST GOD to bring justice and HE will SURELY NOT FAIL YOU.

In Christ

[Raine1]

I am a former minister's wife. I had a confrontation with my ex-husband when he tried to choke me. My reply to him was " if he didn't get his hands from around my neck someone will die that night. I immediately left him and only return to get my things. Many ministers wives are having domestic problems and refuse to leave. Some of them want to stay because of the "First Lady prestige". It an ego thing that unhappiness and lies are so prevalent in the marriage. These wives need to wake up and truly smell the roses because all the lies will eventually come out. I hope Juanita don't continue to live in denial. Domestic violent is real in any relationship.
I can be reached at (225-978-4110) or (225-642-2748)
Woman to woman, I'm sure you mean well, but it's NOT a good idea to put youir personal #'s on a forum used by thousands. All of whom may not be all there use more caution in the future. Stalkers & weirdo's abound

[bebless]

it really hurts my heart to hear the news about this, I love her and from a sister to sister you helped me get closer to the Lord (cd, books, videos etc. )when I was going through with my ex so you know who has control and just let him guide you ;) through, because he is our peace

[DaSmoov1]

The whole situation is very sad, and I agree with the callers who said that they believe that this isn't the first time Ms. Bynum was abused by her husband. I have witnessed abuse in my extended family and I can tell you that it is a serious problem for the victim, as well as the family. Normally abuse has been going on a long time before it becomes public.

I do believe prayer is the first line of defense for people of faith. Despite what some of the "ministers" (... and I use that term loosely on the MB show) say, Jesus encouraged His believers to pray first, then move to action. To not pray shows a lack of faith, as well as a lack of spiritual growth.

It's sad that Michael Baisden uses many of his topics to land-blast the Church. He gets his normal group (Vanzant, Carrera, Hagins) to condemn most Black churches who don't fit their paradigm of socialism and not salvation.

In closing, I hope that since Mr. Weeks has turned himself in, he will seek spiritual guidance as well as legal counsel. I hope that Ms. Bynum also seeks spiritual counsel and legal counsel. There is no excuse for hitting someone, and biblically speaking, there is a principle teaching of "sowing" and "reaping". Mr. Weeks has sewn abuse to his wife, he will reap punishment from society and the law. :mad:

[BLU]

The whole situation is very sad, and I agree with the callers who said that they believe that this isn't the first time Ms. Bynum was abused by her husband. I have witnessed abuse in my extended family and I can tell you that it is a serious problem for the victim, as well as the family. Normally abuse has been going on a long time before it becomes public.
I do believe prayer is the first line of defense for people of faith. Despite what some of the "ministers" (... and I use that term loosely on the MB show) say, Jesus encouraged His believers to pray first, then move to action. To not pray shows a lack of faith, as well as a lack of spiritual growth.
It's sad that Michael Baisden uses many of his topics to land-blast the Church. He gets his normal group (Vanzant, Carrera, Hagins) to condemn most Black churches who don't fit their paradigm of socialism and not salvation.

In closing, I hope that since Mr. Weeks has turned himself in, he will seek spiritual guidance as well as legal counsel. I hope that Ms. Bynum also seeks spiritual counsel and legal counsel. There is no excuse for hitting someone, and biblically speaking, there is a principle teaching of "sowing" and "reaping". Mr. Weeks has sewn abuse to his wife, he will reap punishment from society and the law. :mad:

Seems the couple were meeting to solve probably that caused their separtion two months prior attached is an update:Bynum's husband released

By D. AILEEN DODD, MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 08/22/07

Thomas Weeks, the 54-year-old bishop who shares an international ministry with estranged wife Juanita Bynum, was released on bond Friday after surrendering on charges that he assaulted his wife.
Weeks spent about six hours inside the Fulton County Jail before emerging at 1:40 p.m., holding a finger to his lips to signal that he had no comment. He climbed into the passenger seat of a silver, four-door Jaguar and rode away.

Weeks's books include "What's on Your Mind: The Level of Your Success Begins with Your Thinking" and "Even As Your Soul Prospers: Realize Your Purpose, Release Your Blessings." Then, there was this book, "Teach Me How to Love You: The Beginnings."
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In a brief hearing at the jail, bond was set at $30,000 on a charge of aggravated assault and $10,000 on a charge of terroristic threats, and a magistrate ordered Weeks to have no contact with Bynum or her sister, Tina Culpepper. Weeks, dressed in a gray suit and bow tie, sat silently in the small jail courtroom, his cuffed hands in his lap.
His next hearing will be Sept. 7 in Fulton County Superior Court.
Bynum, a fiery national evangelist whose sermons empower women to walk away from dead-end relationships, was allegedly struck by her husband Tuesday in a hotel parking lot after the pair had dinner together to discuss a reconciliation.
Police said Bynum, 48, has been whisked away by family as they decide what to do next.
A lawyer for Weeks said he will continue his ministry and try to reconcile with his wife after the allegations are dealt with.
"He is extremely sad over the events that have taken place," said Edward Garland, one of the two attorneys representing Weeks. "I think there is hope on his part that the relationship can get past these difficult moments.
"He has never had any accusation of any sort like this from her or anyone esle," said Garland. "There are a lot of circumstances surrounding these events that will be explained at a later time. He is turning it over to the court system at this point.''
Weeks, Garland said, will meet with "a variety of pastors over which he presides, and with his father, who is a minister, and he's going to make a prayerful decision as to how he proceeds. He's dedicated his whole life to the ministry, and we're very hopeful that he will be able to continue to lead the ministry."
Bynum and Weeks are co-founders of Global Destiny Church in Duluth. They were married in 2002 in a lavish televised wedding that featured a 7.76-carat diamond ring. They separated three months ago, said Bynum's sister, Tina Culpepper.
According to an Atlanta police incident report, Bynum said her husband "choked her, pushed her down, kicked and stomped her."
She told police Weeks "continued stomping" her into the ground until a hotel bell man pulled him away. Police also said Weeks threatened Bynum's life.
Culpepper said the couple was meeting for dinner at Concorde Grill in the Renaissance Concourse Hotel near Atlanta's Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport Tuesday night.
Police said the couple had met to work out their differences. Things soured, and Weeks walked out to the parking lot about 10:30 p.m., police said. He then turned back around and attacked her, said Officer Ron Campbell.
Weeks also threatened Bynum's life during the attack, police said. "Anytime you tell a person, 'I'm going to kill you,' that moves it up to a felony," Campbell said.
The bruises found on Bynum also were serious enough to bring felony aggravated assault charges against Weeks.
In a comment posted on her MySpace page, the Pentecostal evangelist said, "I am currently recovering from all of my injuries and resting well ... this too shall pass."
Her publicist, Amy Malone, said Bynum wants to keep the matter private.
"People are interpreting it to mean the two of them were fighting," Malone said. "They were not fighting. She was assaulted."
Clergy across metro Atlanta said they were saddened by the news of the public beating of Bynum, a respected "prophetess" whose star rose under the leadership of Bishop T.D. Jakes. Bynum is one of the leading speakers at Megafast, which has attracted hundreds of thousands of people to metro Atlanta in recent years.
Mixing love and ministerial work can take its toll on relationship for pastors with successful followings, clergy say.
"It is tremendously hard to balance a relationship," said the Rev. Cynthia L. Hale, pastor of Ray of Hope Christian Church. "If you happen to be more successful than your spouse or make more money or have greater prestige that is where the challenge comes in. There are many men who are secure in life, but there are also men who are insecure and they have struggled with having their wives [or girlfriends] excel in ways they don't."
Weeks has retained two lawyers: the well-known Garland, who in the past has represented NFL star Ray Lewis in his murder trial and millionaire James Sullivan, who ordered the murder of his socialite wife; and Louis Tesser.
The couple had a home in Duluth, Culpepper said. Upon their separation, Bynum moved to Waycross, where her administrative offices are located.
Members of a Georgia non-profit group, Love for All People, were working late Thursday to hire two bodyguards to protect Bynum. Culpepper said Bynum was appreciative but that it would not be necessary.
Word of the public fight spread to clergy across metro Atlanta who have either met the couple or know of them.

Once a homemaker, a hairdresser and a flight attendant, Bynum's big break came when televangelist Bishop T.D. Jakes invited her to speak at one of his conferences several years ago.
Jakes, who has worked closely with Bynum, had no comment, his spokeswoman said.
Operators at Bynum's ministry in Waycross, Juanita Bynum Ministries, asked the public "to be in prayer for her."
Culpepper, Bynum's sister, said she is keeping her sister company through this difficult time.
"She is resting well and healing of all the injuries," Culpepper said. "The injuries are not just physical."

[screaltor]

This may not be the first time an incident like this happened to her, just the first time they got caught!;)

[busdriver316]

We all just need to pray and not pass judgement

[gdadda]

I am appalled at the bishop's behavior, however I am not surprized. I have a copy of him teaching at one of their " Teach me how to love" sessions. On this video he describes a time when he got so angry with his wife while they were in the car together that he put her out of the car,threw her bags on ground, cursed her out, and left her there. He then proceeds to explain his struggle with his anger issues, and their recociliation. He gives some very good advice he just needs to take some of his own medicine

[Kick]

I am so very tired of hearing comments that people are making about this situation and all the speculations that have gone on. No one but the two who are involved and Jesus really know what happened in this whole situation. It is quite a terrible situation I must say but instead of turning this into a discussion topic I think prayer is going to be the most powerful thing here. They both are in need of Healing in different areas and just because Bishop Weeks allowed himself to get out of control doesn't mean he is not still the man that God called him to be, it just means that there are areas in his life that he needs strength and healing. Men and Women of God aren't perfect as so many unlearned people have become to think. We all have issues we must address and deal with thats why we need the Saviour Jesus Christ to help us.

[ondra styles]

Thats ridiculous Im only 19 years old but I promise I will never put my hand on a woman I wouldnt want anyone to put their hands on my mama so for that reason I won't
Mr. Texas, you have the right concept to which my own sons adhere to. They too have expressed the same. They wouldn't want a man to put their hands on me.

[flowjwa]

I send my prayers and best wishes for sister Bynum. Please look at everything before you make any moves. Please let God take you forward in your life. Everything happens for a reason, although this was a terrible wake up call in your life. My husband didn't put his hands on me, but financially wrecked me, so I know you feel. I know you are devastated to have your business out there like this. Keep your head up. Keep walking forward and don't look back.

[NorthEasterner]

She knew what she was a doing all the time. Now she's going to run to Oprah and the white folks and say all Black men are batterers and make more money. Anybody with half a brain can see she's another jacklegged preacher getting over on the sheeple. I bet her and her dyke "saints" devised the whole thing from the jump. As far as that countryboy preacher husband is concerned good for his uncletom ass. Let him sit in jail and watch the other idiot preachers on tv.

[cat4everrr]

he went to church yesterday claiming the devil made him do it

[brooklyn1969]

She knew what she was a doing all the time. Now she's going to run to Oprah and the white folks and say all Black men are batterers and make more money. Anybody with half a brain can see she's another jacklegged preacher getting over on the sheeple. I bet her and her dyke "saints" devised the whole thing from the jump. As far as that countryboy preacher husband is concerned good for his uncletom ass. Let him sit in jail and watch the other idiot preachers on tv.


Sounds like you have some deep rooted, serious issues, urself?????:confused:

[brooklyn1969]

he went to church yesterday claiming the devil made him do it

He'd come out much better, if he'd just simply admit it, say that he was completely wrong, ask for forgivness, and just sit down (not preach) till he and God works this out.

Yeh, the devil talks in our ear, but the choice is still ours. Your's, and mine 2.

Ques: Did he preach, as well?

[Blackman7]

Thomas weeks was separated at the time he begun dating Ms. Bynum. the divorce was not quite final.

Thank you. Of course, those "ministers" such as "women preachers" and "Bishops" who DISOBEY GOD are not real.
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1 Timothy 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of ONE WIFE, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a BRAWLER, not COVETOUS;

3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
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Like Jesus Christ said, by the fruit, you can know the tree. No TRUE bishop would go AGAINST GOD and have more than one wife.

[Blackman7]

Bad women are made for bad men and good women are made for GOOD men.

The Virgin Mary was made for Joseph the Carpenter and Bonnie Parker for Bonnie and Clyde;

Most times when you see a bad man, you'll see a BAD WOMAN right beside him.

That's the reason they're together...because they're two of a kind! :cool:

[JazzyT]

My father always told me, that if you have to pur your hands, to physically harm, husband wife, boyfriend or girlfriend, you don't need to be with them.

God did not put a man or woman on this earth to be abused by another man or woman.

If you are a man or woman stand up and be a man or woman and walk away, tell the person you are with why you are walking away.

[ChildoftheKing]

Here is the document of where the assault charges were dropped in OCTOBER!

So what is up with all these magazine articles and interviews misleading the people? All this for what? Maybe for tv shows and money!
So if the DA dropped it in October both knew about it but still played the media, essence and whoever will listen. Look at the docket=closed case that was personally researched by NYTN:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

http://nytnegro.angelfire.com/WeeksDeadDocket.pdf

[sq357]

It's ashame that she was beaten by her husband who is suppose to be a man of God. I just hope that people don't start assuming that all religious men are like that. It's unfortunate that she was beaten and my prayers go out to her. However, it seems like Mike always takes an opportunity and uses just about every topic to bash on religious people. Okay, I respect that he's not a religious person, but, he doesn't have to bash on those who are. I understand that they are some phony relgious people but not all. He seems to be for porn stars and everyone who is into sex, but not for religious people. This doesn't send a good message to our young people who are now listening to his show. He was even glorifying nudist.

When I see religious men like Reverend Run from Run's House and what good examples he is setting has a husband, father and a man in general, it brings joy to my heart to see that some religous men are applyin the bible in their lives. So you can see that when a man of God really loves God and apply what the bible says in his life, he would love and cherish his wife and not beat her.
Thanks Sandi...great words!

[brotherofexperience]

did anybody catch her interview on BET's EXALTED?