White Privilege Article by Tim Wise

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THIS IS YOUR NATION ON WHITE PRIVILEGE

September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their fuckin' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you're a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.

White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an "average guy," while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you "uppity" and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.

White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that's OK, and you're still cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.

White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."

White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.

White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.

White privilege is being able to say that you hate "gooks" and "will always hate them," and yet, you aren't a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you're entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

[LadyMamba2]

It's more than white priviledge - its the ongoing culture of white supremcy and black complacency that allows the exist of unearned white priviledge. see article below.:eek:

UNEARNED WHITE PRIVILEGE PART I
>
>White people need to acknowledge benefits of unearned privilege
>
>By Robert Jensen
>
>
>BALTIMORE: Here's what white privilege sounds like: I'm sitting in
>my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very
>conservative white student about affirmative action in college
>admissions, which he opposes and I support. The student says he
>wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone.
>I ask him whether he thinks that being white has advantages in the
>United States.
>
>Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world
>run mostly by white people?
>
>Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call
>white privilege.
>
>So, if we live in a world of white privilege - unearned white
>privilege - how does that affect your notion of a level playing
>field? I asked.
>
>He paused for a moment and said,
>
>"That really doesn't matter."
>
>That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white
>privilege: the privilege to acknowledge that you have unearned
>privilege but to ignore what it means.
>
>That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism
>with students. It drove home the importance of confronting the dirty
>secret that we white people carry around with us every day: in a
>world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think
>much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of
>affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my
>goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white
>privilege.
>
>White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white
>supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not
>they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but
>such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other
>aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other
>kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white
>privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has
>affected me.
>
>I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern
>European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the
>whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white
>world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because
>I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the
>state's only numerically significant non-white population, American
>Indians.
>
>I have struggled to resist that racist training and the racism of my
>culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely
>trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the
>institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix"
>myself, one thing never changes - I walk through the world with
>white privilege.
>
>What does that mean?
>
>Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university,
>apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening.
>Almost all of the people evaluating me look like me - they are
>white. They see in me a reflection of themselves - and in a racist
>world, that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them.
>I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut
>some slack. After all, I'm white.
>
>My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white.
>
>Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is
>saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are
>minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As
>Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action
>policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible
>that at the end of that time the university could have as many
>mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors.
>That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but it's a simple
>observation that white privilege has meant that scores of
>second-rate white professors have slid through the system because
>their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well
>as on gender, class and ideology.
>
>Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a
>bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real
>people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I
>know, because I am one of them. I am not a genius - as I like to
>say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching
>full time for six years and I've published a reasonable amount of
>scholarship.
>
>Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure,
>and some of it, I would argue, is worth reading. I worked hard, and
>I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in a
>while, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really
>accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel
>guilty.
>
>But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone.
>I benefited from among other things, white privilege. That doesn't
>mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would
>never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my
>life, I have soaked up benefits for being white.
>
>All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people.
>
>I was accepted for graduate school by white people.
>
>And I was hired for a teaching position by the predominantly white
>University of Texas, headed by a white president, in a college
>headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman
>that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.
>
>I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there.
>But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe
>that "merit" as defined by white people in a white country, alone
>got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard
>work, I got a significant boost from white privilege.
>
>At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that,
>because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely
>to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic
>American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the
>culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me
>to those myths.
>
> Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I
>didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had
>more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't
>heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.
>
>I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't
>special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take
>pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are
>stacked to my benefit. Until we let go of the fiction that people
>have complete control over their fate - that we can will ourselves
>to be anything we choose - then we will live with that fear.
>
>White privilege is not something I get to decide whether I want to
>keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man
>and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am
>benefiting from white privilege.
>
>There is not space here to list all the ways in which white
>privilege plays out in our daily lives, but is clear that I will
>carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased
>from this society.
>
>
>-- Dawn/LAT-WP News Service (c) Baltimore Sun

[Sanea AKA Naytel]

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Part heavy-hitting analysis and part reflection on how America has constructed and rearticulated race, the book begins with slavery and its role in the creation of race, critiques the role of the NAACP in the civil rights movement and exposes some of its most significant missteps in the fight for civil rights, and offers a useful comparison between civil and human rights. Metzler deftly exposes the racial thinking that has "become as American as motherhood and apple pie." He uses the racial thinking rubric to explain why and how the media have become so fascinated with the Obama candidacy. He also uses that rubric to expose how both McCain and Obama will use racial thinking as part of their electoral strategy. The question he poses is, "Which one will make it work for him?"

[shel5087]

I listen to your show just about everyday. I dont "hate" your show. I hear you make comments everyday that you would be "blasting" a white dj about should the roles be reversed. I am not nor have I ever been someone that judges someone by color or creed. Yet I hear you make remarks that seem race biased. Anyway I am a registered republican but I will more than likely be casting my vote for Obama. I do find that he wont use the pledge of allegiance disturbing... how can you lead a country that you dont believe in the pledge or the star spangled banner??? I enjoy the show and will continue to listen .. just remember not all whites are Racists and you can be a black racists as well as white. Thank you and God Bless

[sunshine247]

To the person that wrote on White Privilage....There is no such thing! A privilage is something that you earn..Not something that you just come up with b/c this or that is said or done by a few ignorant individuals....All americans neeed to get the illusions out of their heads and just be real to themselves..

[BRICKHOUSE73]

michael baisden, you're fine and everything but i think you guys are wasting your time!!! obama is not going to win.. mccain is going to win. i'm not going to waste my time voting, the whole system is rigged!!!

when obama loses, i will definitely call the show and laugh!!! both obama and mccain are a bunch of liars... obama says yes we can, yeah right!!! no we can't!

[barberlcarrie]

America! R U listening? Step Up -It's Time To Step Up. To all the true son's of God. mccain has not the charecteristics of Christ! let's not be blind anymore. we've asked for generations and now it's time for us to receive.

[Glazed Donuts]

In all honesty, the intelligence level of this country has sunk to a new low. We should all be ashamed of ourselves. That man Henry that you had on the show is just a prime example of the millions of other Americans who have this same mentality and intelligence level. I honestly believe we are seriously outnumbered by people like Henry when it comes to this. It is a shame, really, and it makes me ashamed to call myself an American when other countries look at us and view us as a whole for the stupidity that goes on.

It is really no wonder that so many countries hate the US.

To the remaining American people with intelligence and COMMON SENSE: We need to step up and take this country back and not see it go to Hell like Bush has taken it to. We don't need a person like McCain who actually supports Bush despite all of the s--- he's done to make our lives even more miserable after 8 years. Obama is going to be the one to bring us all out of this.

Put the stupid racisism aside! I can't believe people would rather see this country go to hell than to vote for an INTELLIGENT Black man! If you want to stop working for minimum wage (or stop jobhunting altogether due to Bush's crap) then vote Democrat. The majority of Americans today are middle-class and below. Republicans don't give a s--- about the middle-class, nor do they give a s--- about minorities! It's all about money for them -- making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Is living in a cardboard box the only way people will finally get some sense knocked into them? Because that's what it's eventually going to boil down to at the rate the economy keeps going.

OBAMA 08!!!

[ThisIsYourWorld]

Hey Mike, I am I 45 year old African Male born in New York, I say Afircan because I know how I got here (kidnapping). I served this country for 10 years I was Military Intel. First let me ask does it really matter which of them is voted in, I say yes for two reasons. We tell oursleves the if Obama gets voted in that he can change things...no he cant. He would be our first, and our first shall be standing alone in the white house standing alone. He will not be sourrounded by his peers, or groups that want him to succceed. He will be there looking at some of the same types that founded this country(that's a good one--populated by Indians and they found it) We are speaking of those who will make the deal, make the promise, say all the right words then when its time they will do what they have always done. They will, and time has given us the facts, the same way they have continued to take land bring their religion then charge you to live there or like in the case of the Indians send you to Mexico and name you Mexicans. Heck we got brought here and we pay to live here twice, taxes (I dont know where that money goes) and rent for my house. Wanna hear something funny, most of this content came from the mouth of a man most of you would call a terrorist. While in the Military our paths crossed and I wont lie I was scared to death. When I noticed him he was standing on the side of a building with a firearm, before I could start begging for my life which any smart man would do. He put it down, turned his palms up, called me his brother, then said he would never hurt me. I wont lie that day some of my outlook on why I was in the military changed, we talked for about 4 hours and this was our topic. Oh and he said "ours" too, yes these are his words........now I just look at him as a man who doesnt want to pay rent twice

[lynjs]

In all honesty, the intelligence level of this country has sunk to a new low. We should all be ashamed of ourselves. That man Henry that you had on the show is just a prime example of the millions of other Americans who have this same mentality and intelligence level. I honestly believe we are seriously outnumbered by people like Henry when it comes to this. It is a shame, really, and it makes me ashamed to call myself an American when other countries look at us and view us as a whole for the stupidity that goes on.

It is really no wonder that so many countries hate the US.

To the remaining American people with intelligence and COMMON SENSE: We need to step up and take this country back and not see it go to Hell like Bush has taken it to. We don't need a person like McCain who actually supports Bush despite all of the s--- he's done to make our lives even more miserable after 8 years. Obama is going to be the one to bring us all out of this.

Put the stupid racisism aside! I can't believe people would rather see this country go to hell than to vote for an INTELLIGENT Black man! If you want to stop working for minimum wage (or stop jobhunting altogether due to Bush's crap) then vote Democrat. The majority of Americans today are middle-class and below. Republicans don't give a s--- about the middle-class, nor do they give a s--- about minorities! It's all about money for them -- making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Is living in a cardboard box the only way people will finally get some sense knocked into them? Because that's what it's eventually going to boil down to at the rate the economy keeps going.

OBAMA 08!!!

I couldn't have said it better myself. We've been dumbed down through every aspect of American life. I mean people look at "American Idol" for music taste instead of someone actually paying their dues. What can one expect when it comes to an election of this magnitude?

They'd rather vote for an uninformed ill-equipped white guy with a running mate who had to go to five different schools for a lone B.A. degree than a smart intelligent top of his class black guy with a running mate who is just as smart and teaches law classes on Saturdays. This just proves it. We're a nation of dummies and they're repeatedly elected to office causing messes like the Iraq, the financial crisis and the health care crisis.

[ABritofClass]

Micheal,

I heard you say on the show today, "McCain doesn't even do email." OK and your point is? Do you really believe that the President of the United States of America uses his own computer or makes his own phone calls....NO! He has "people" to do that. Bill Gates, one of the most successful {wealth and philanthorpic} men of our time, still doesn't have a cell phone!

So, in short....you need to hit MUCH harder than that to get your point across. I am white and was married to a Black male for 13 years and will NOT be voting for McCain.However, if you needed to convince me, it would take a lot more than knowing he doesn't do email!

Lets hit hard on the issues instead!

Thanks.

[LayDeLibra]

FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE UTMOST RESPECT TO MICHAEL BAISDEN FOR HAVING SUCH AN WONDERFUL SHOW..

IT'S A SAD DAY IN AMERICA WHEN YOU WILL NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR, NO ONE IS LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT SEN. BARACK OBAMA HAS STEPPED UP AS A BLACK MAN. HE HAS BEEN TAKING ALL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS AND CRITICISM JUST TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENT CANDIDACY TO MAKE A BETTER WAY OF LIFE FOR ALL AMERICANS.

I AM A CARIBBEAN AMERICAN AND I SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA 150%, HE IS LOOKING OUT FOR EVERYONE'S FUTURE. THIS ECONOMY IS A DISASTER, MEANWHILE THE RICH ARE GETTING BAILED OUT BY OUR GOVERNMENT AND WE STILL SUFFER. GAS IS RIDICULOUS!!! SOME OF MY CO-WORKERS WILL BE LOOSING THEIR JOBS RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AND THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL GET ANOTHER JOB AND ON TOP OF THAT HAVE FAMILIES TO SUPPORT AND HOUSES TO PAY FOR. THIS COULD BE ME!!!! I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THIS DAY.

I AM SORRY TO SAY IF WE DON'T WAKE UP AND SMELL THE GASOLINE, AMERICA WILL GO STRAIGHT TO HELL BY THE HANDS OF MCCAIN AND PALIN.

[GlowR]

I will not dignify that with a respone.

Glow R

P.S. "Stay focus on the issues that concern all of us with this election, and that is not it. Give a little love in your heart. :)

[Aladymay]

I occurred to me last week that we as a people should be insulted with how obvious the racism is in McCains Campaigne. To the extent that being white requires no plan no explainations, out and out lies and to boastfully acknwledge that this is all he need to win.

It speaks to the overt racisism that we experienced before the civil rights movement. Always having to be more qualified always having to be much much more and Mccin stands boldly with his hands on his hip in defience and disrespect for the work that Obama has put into his campaign with folks willing to vote for the incompetence. Making it once again sadly clear how far we have yet to overcome.

[powerfinalists]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

Was all 95% of the African American vote given to Obama over Clinton based on the content of his character?

A large percentage voted for him because of his color. He needed every vote he could get no matter how hypocritical the reason they voted for him. That was a tight election! Obama is a politician first, he understands the hypocrisy of such a high percentage of blacks voting against Hillary and he cant speak against it.

Rev. Al Sharpton warned on Tom Joyner's morning show on MLKs birthday that it would not be in MLK's spirit to vote for Obama just because he is an African American. It will foster more racism.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice and I don't see the change he promised. What happens to Barack when he can't deliver the level of change we expect from him (whether he promised it or not). I hope it is enough to say he is the first.

Will "White Privilege" suddenly end? Don't expect it. Will you look for "Black Privilege"and guard against it, or will you say "Its our turn now"

If Barack, as it seems, was the beneficiary of "Black Privilege" and you say in your heart "Yeah, its about time we got some", then nothing will improve and I worry about the next 40 years of race relations.


By the way, Michael,
No one says "WTF" because the Governor of New York does not email or web surf - he is blind! McCain's POW disabilities dont allow him to type or sit at a computer. If you are going to make fun of the guy keep it to his and his wife's skin color. They both must go to reverse tanning beds! Is there anyone whiter anywhere? Snow white is not that shiny!

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[glove38655]

I live in Oxford MS and was appauled when I found that OLE MISS is hosting a rally for the KKK when the debate will be going on. They have to be in plain clothes. I think this may hurt McClain. I also feel that every minority student that attends OLE Miss should be offended that their school would host a rally for such hate. It is a disgrace. I for one will be a the rally to protest them being here and bringing this garbage to my town. You can find documentation of this event by goggling kkk in Oxford, MS or by going to the dailymississipian.com

[AMTonyP]

Editor’s note: In a meeting with a group of prominent African-American leaders on April 29, 2008, Alaska governor Sarah Palin allegedly said that she wouldn’t hire blacks in her cabinet or on her staff. This explosive charge—if true—would cast serious doubts on Palin’s fitness for the vice-presidency. NAM contributing editor Earl Ofari Hutchinson examines the accuracy of the claim.

Sarah Palin admittedly hasn’t had much of a track record when it comes to acknowledging—let alone promoting—diversity during her short tenure as Alaska governor. She’s on record with a terse utterance on hate crimes legislation and on cultural diversity. But Palin’s skimpy track record and paucity of words on diversity is relatively tame compared to the far more damaging accusation that’s making the rounds.

On April 29, 14 black leaders in Alaska, including prominent ministers, NAACP officials, and community activists, met with Palin to voice their complaint over minority hiring and job opportunities. During the meeting she allegedly said that she didn’t have to hire any blacks. Even more damning, she purportedly said that she didn’t intend to hire any.

Gwen Alexander, president of the African-American Historical Society of Alaska, initially reported Palin’s quip. This charge is so racially incendiary that it sounded like yet another one of the legion of Palin urban legends that have fueled the cyber gossip mill from the moment Republican presidential contender John McCain put her on his ticket. The charge had to be confirmed or denied. If Governor Palin or any other public official flatly said that they had no intention to hire blacks, that would be politically unpardonable. And for a potential vice-president, it would and should be the kiss of death.

In a phone message to this writer, Megan Stapleton, a Palin spokesperson with the McCain-Palin campaign committee, vehemently denied that Palin ever said that she would not hire blacks. Sharon Leighow, communications spokesperson in the Alaska governor’s office, also disputed the allegation. She said that Palin’s press secretary was part African-American and that two of her senior advisors were Filipino and Korean.

Leighow was also adamant that Palin did not hire staff persons based on color, but solely on talent and skill. As she put it, “Governor Palin is totally color-blind.”

But in a phone conversation, Gwen Alexander of the African-American Historical Society of Alaska stuck by her contention that Palin made the racially charged retort. She also charged that Palin did not support or even officially acknowledge the group’s annual Juneteenth Commemoration.

June 19 is celebrated as the date of slave emancipation in Texas. Alaska is one of 13 states that has designated it an official holiday. Other Alaska governors have sent the traditional greetings and acknowledgements to the Society. Alexander says Palin snubbed the group.

The unofficial charge, then, is that Palin is insensitive to the state’s African Americans, and that includes refusing to hire and appoint African Americans. That charge is hotly disputed by Palin’s staff and they cite names and numbers to back it up. But apart from the veracity of the charge and the denial, Palin’s statement that she’s absolutely color-blind when it comes to hiring does set off warning bells.

The color-blind argument strikes at the heart of the continuing debate over what and how far public officials should go to insure that their staffs and their appointments truly represent the broadest diversity possible. Officials must make a concerted outreach effort to make that happen. A color-blind posture more often than not has been nothing but a convenient excuse not to seek out, hire or promote African Americans and other minorities in their administration, no matter how qualified.

Diversity is a major issue this election. It’s implicit in Democratic rival Barack Obama’s White House run. It’s explicit in Ward Connerly’s anti-affirmative initiative on the ballot in three states this November. Obama opposes it. McCain backs it, and so does Palin.

Palin’s commitment to diversity is no small point in Alaska. According to the 2000 Census figures, blacks make up officially about 4 percent of the state population. But those who self-identify as at least part African-American bump up the percentage much higher. When American Indians, Aleuts, Eskimos, and Asians are taken together, minorities make up about one quarter of Alaska’s population. This makes the state one of the most ethnically diverse in the nation. Diversity must be more than a word that an Alaska governor pays campaign lip service to and then ignores.

Palin’s campaign and gubernatorial spokespersons say the charge that she is hostile to blacks and minorities is unfair. That may well be true. But according to those black leaders in Alaska who challenged Palin on her administration’s minority hiring practices, the charge is much deserved.

NAM Editor Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book is The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Decides the Race to the White House (Middle Passage Press, February 2008).

[babyface_BR]

I live in Oxford MS and was appauled when I found that OLE MISS is hosting a rally for the KKK when the debate will be going on. They have to be in plain clothes. I think this may hurt McClain. I also feel that every minority student that attends OLE Miss should be offended that their school would host a rally for such hate. It is a disgrace. I for one will be a the rally to protest them being here and bringing this garbage to my town. You can find documentation of this event by goggling kkk in Oxford, MS or by going to the dailymississipian.com


How can Ole Miss get away with hosting a rally like this? There has to be something in the rules that should block this. I can see Oxford MS giving them a permit to rally but the school where they received federal money?

[dpinder]

This is what Neil Cavuto said:

Did you warn or express concern about any things that happened? I'm not saying that one or the other is beyond blame, I'm just saying I don't remember a clarion call that said Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster? Maybe if you said it, enlighten me.

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZi-C5Gsgnc

[babyface_BR]

You know it doesn't matter if you voted for Obama b/c you identify with what he stands for and believe that he can make a change or if you just voted for him b/c he's black. The majority of the people with think the latter is the reason. It's just ashame that still in 2008 the black man has to still work twice as hard despite the fact that the white candidate has pretty much said it himself, he doesn't know jack and his running mate don'lt know jack s***. How can you trust that a man who's been in Congress as long as McCain has to make the change that I believe in. He's had years to make a change and has consistently voted 90% of the time with Bush. So what change is he talking about. He scoffed at Obama for saying or believing in change and now he wants to jump on the change bandwagon. He can't even come up with his own slogan. And no Obama is not going to change things over night. It's taken years to get in the mess we're in and to think that he's going to do it in 4 years you're sadly mistaken.

[Lynch]

White folks WILL NOT vote for Obama because of the same reason Black folks WILL vote for Obama. He's Black...

This wil be History when being Black will work for you and against you in the same race.
Black people need to get a grip and stop the blame game. Most of you on this site never voted before, never got involved in politics before, and now you are so-say the kings and queens of the political world.

Why all of a sudden Blacks are shocked to hear that White people will not vote for Obama. It never came out before because nobody really asked until this yahoo poll had to awaken everyone, and brought everybody back to the reality that this America.

Nobody asked, Nobody wanted to know. Now you Know.

[Jaykizziecook]

Is it White privilege to let everyone think that the confused looking young man paraded at the GOP Convention, is actually the father of said baby? I received an e-mail from a friend, which included a video of a young black male from California, from his My Space page, who was very adamant that he and Bristol Palin hooked up during a visit to Alaska, and resulted in him fathering the child she is caring. Has anyone else heard of this, or watched?
He may have shut down his My Space, as he stated he would do out of respect for Sarah Palin.

[Beary Nice]

Brickhouse73: People like you, who won't vote, are usually the people who need the most help. Yet, you squander your chance to choose the person who will create policies that will directly impact your lives. One thing is sure, doing nothing guarantees that nothing changes. It's too bad that you're too ignorant to appreciate what other people suffered through so that you could exercise your right to choose your leaders. Then, you hope Obama will lose only so you can laugh about it and say, "I told you so!"? What a real loser you must feel like if that's the only joy you'll experience in all of this.

[Jaykizziecook]

I totally agree that we simply cannot believe that just because someone was a prisoner of war, calls himself a hero(who was captured by the way), and another person just plucked off the streets, and expect them to identify with the rest of America, let alone try and lead it.

[dpinder]

Lynch,

Obviously, you are worried because you are listening to the Michael Baisden show or paying attention to the forums. Otherwise, why are you even here? You're just here to spread your message of hate and oppression.

YOU won't vote for Obama because YOU are a racist. Many of my white friends are in fact voting for Obama.

Do not generalize a group of people with your views.

It's 2008, are you seriously still worried about black + white issues?

White folks WILL NOT vote for Obama because of the same reason Black folks WILL vote for Obama. He's Black...

This wil be History when being Black will work for you and against you in the same race.
Black people need to get a grip and stop the blame game. Most of you on this site never voted before, never got involved in politics before, and now you are so-say the kings and queens of the political world.

Why all of a sudden Blacks are shocked to hear that White people will not vote for Obama. It never came out before because nobody really asked until this yahoo poll had to awaken everyone, and brought everybody back to the reality that this America.

Nobody asked, Nobody wanted to know. Now you Know.

[Lynch]

Is it White privilege to let everyone think that the confused looking young man paraded at the GOP Convention, is actually the father of said baby? I received an e-mail from a friend, which included a video of a young black male from California, from his My Space page, who was very adamant that he and Bristol Palin hooked up during a visit to Alaska, and resulted in him fathering the child she is caring. Has anyone else heard of this, or watched?
He may have shut down his My Space, as he stated he would do out of respect for Sarah Palin.



So What... What does that have to do with the fact that Obama is not qualified to be President. Talking about sideshows, that is Sarah Palin's daughter business.
Now go back and ask your friend to dig up and send you the email of Obama snorting cocaine and smoking pot with some nasty looking hooker crossdresser. WOW, now there it is, Go get it, and come back and spread the word.

[Lynch]

Lynch,

Obviously, you are worried because you are listening to the Michael Baisden show or paying attention to the forums. Otherwise, why are you even here? You're just here to spread your message of hate and oppression.

YOU won't vote for Obama because YOU are a racist. Many of my white friends are in fact voting for Obama.

Do not generalize a group of people with your views.

It's 2008, are you seriously still worried about black + white issues?


Black people are a bunch of whiners, someone is always complaining about the government don't do this, the government don't do that. The Democratic party of the US government are the one's that have Blacks so darn dependent right now. It is the Democrats, you know the party that Black people have been flocking too for decades to give their vote, and it's the Democratic party that still has Blacks living in poverty to keep Blacks down. The welfare program is destroying Black people and keeping poor Blacks uneducated, dependent on the government, the good old Democrats always looking out for the Black people. Bull, Bull.

Obama is part of that process, Obama is focused on the middle class, well who is the middle class. How many Blacks are middle class Americans, it seems more Blacks are on the poverty line then middle class.

If Change is about and for our kids, Where is the focus on the millions of poor uneducated kids in America. Obama is a Joke, and all you so called know-it- alls are phony Black people that are still in Denial. Real Americans can see right through you, it is so obvious that you stand for double standards, and are very bias, and just as Racist as the White folks.

So Hush up and let Obama take his defeat on November 4th, because America is tired of all this whining. Get over It.

[dpinder]

Lynch, unless you live in another country, EVERYONE is complaining.

Who cares about race when everything is expensive, people can't pay their bills, our Government is DRAINING our pockets, we are fighting a useless war AND the Rich have the upper hand.

It's all about Green issues: money, immigration and the environment. Not the color of our skin.

But...there is NO convincing you. People like you are dog headed for no good reason.

The system is broken and people like you can't see the forest for the trees.

You are probably the type who is going to vote Republican because you feel threatened about so much change.

Get it together. Look at OUR country. Do your research and actually look at the facts.

Or, keep on getting played like a piano by throwing away your vote.

Regardless, Lynch, just vote and stop being so damn angry.

[BRICKHOUSE73]

Brickhouse73: People like you, who won't vote, are usually the people who need the most help. Yet, you squander your chance to choose the person who will create policies that will directly impact your lives. One thing is sure, doing nothing guarantees that nothing changes. It's too bad that you're too ignorant to appreciate what other people suffered through so that you could exercise your right to choose your leaders. Then, you hope Obama will lose only so you can laugh about it and say, "I told you so!"? What a real loser you must feel like if that's the only joy you'll experience in all of this.



oh boooooo hooooo!!!!!!!! cry me a river!!!! i don't need any help!!! you're fricken stupid to believe what these people (mccain and obama bin laden) are saying!!! what....ever!!!

they're liars!!!!

[FVR]

Some might just vote against Obama because he's a democrat, I know that is hard to believe.

I started out an Obama supporter, but unfortunately I did my homework. Thanks to many here, I checked the sites that were not affiliated with McCain or Obama and have come to the conclusion that I just don't want to vote a socialist into the presidency.

I have been listening to Michael B. for close to two years and very much enjoy his show. The old school music takes me back to the block. But lately, the politics is getting old. I still tune in, but he is starting to sound like the Hannity of the left.

I don't like Hannity, but then he does not play old school.

I noticed yesterday, Michael slammed the young man and the Naval Academy, that's a shame. Really does not matter where you graduate in the class, hell, you call the man who came in last at medical school, Doctor. Someone always has to be last, just like there is always going to be an upper, middle, and lower class.

I am also amazed that a military man like Michael, slams a variety of diff. persons who attended not so fancy colleges, when in really does not mean a hill of beans. Some who attend the best colleges are social idiots, yeh they are great at taking tests, but in the real world, they suck. Michael, remember those boot officers? They could get you killed.

Also, please stop blaming the 700 Bill. bailout on the repos. Have you forgotten that McCain back in 06 co-sponsored a bill that would have put more regulation on the Fanny and Freddie to prevent what happened? Oh, speaking of Fanny and Freddie, kind of strange that when they were in the business of losing money, their number two donation was to Obama, oh yeh, that could be because his democrat friends were slowly running it into the ground. They got their money, now Joe Public has to pay the bill.

Remember, McCain, who is a very liberal repo., who if it was not for the right wing nutjob Palin, would have very low repo support, because he does not fit in.

Those that think that the only white people who will not vote for Obama are racist, really need to grow up and get the chip off your shoulder. There is that segment of white America who will do that, as there is the segment of American who will vote for him because he is black. But many, many white repbulicans will vote republican because they are republicans.


I am still giving Obama the ben. of the doubt. I am looking forward to the debates, he can still get me to vote for him. He only needs to stop the bs and start talking of "how" he plans on doing what he wants. Because, right now, he has put out alot of talk, but has not backed it up with anything.

Like the guy who is always talking trash, it's time for him to step up, or shut up.


Lynch, don't count your chickens before they hatch. Repos are not having the voter reg. push, there are going to be alot of new dem. voters and it's going to make a very big difference.


If Obama does get elected, he will be my Commander and Chief and I will back him 110%. I live by the code that he will be the Leader of the US, just like Clinton, I may not like his policies, but he is the Leader of the Free World and he will have my support.

[Glazed Donuts]

I think these debates will bring out the true colors of both candidates and then we can really see who's "right" and who's "wrong." So let's wait till Friday and see what happens. I, for one am looking forward to what both candidates have to say, and I encourage everyone in America to tune in.

Let's be real on this, though. Race will play a big issue on this whole election, unfortunately. I'm sure if Hillary would have won the primaries, we'd still be in this same mess but instead of it being a race issue, it would be a gender issue, so you really can't please everyone.

[Lynch]

Lynch, unless you live in another country, EVERYONE is complaining.

Who cares about race when everything is expensive, people can't pay their bills, our Government is DRAINING our pockets, we are fighting a useless war AND the Rich have the upper hand.

It's all about Green issues: money, immigration and the environment. Not the color of our skin.

But...there is NO convincing you. People like you are dog headed for no good reason.

The system is broken and people like you can't see the forest for the trees.

You are probably the type who is going to vote Republican because you feel threatened about so much change.

Get it together. Look at OUR country. Do your research and actually look at the facts.

Or, keep on getting played like a piano by throwing away your vote.

Regardless, Lynch, just vote and stop being so damn angry.



Come on Black people, everytime someone says something different than what you want to here, they are considered angry, or hateful, negative, but when these newcomers to the political world bash the other candidates you go silent. Double standards Black people.
Every American citizen is not on the Obama High. As you are starting to see many are coming down from that once High that they had. Many are starting to think for themselves and see Obama for what he really is, and that is a politician. No better or worse than McCain, but when you bring Obama down from the Heavens as the Messiah, and put him in the lineup as a politician, then McCain makes him looks like a inexperienced wannabe.

You are speaking of the government and 700 billion dollars. Well you have to ask yourselves what is the purpose of the Democratic led Congress.
These democrats has been in the majority for two years and Bush has run all over them. Bush does what He wants when He wants. And guess what the Democrats do, Nothing, Absolutely Nothing. They do like Black people do, Whine and complain, and then drop the Ball.

The Democrats won the majority on the premise that things would change, Well we know what have changed, Nothing. What will change if Obama wins, Absolutely Nothing.

[8cb1913]

Why doesn't mainstream America grasp this concept? It seems that many people can think with some sense of intellect-- until it really matters.

To the caller Henry... Would you want your manager to be equally as intelligent as you? Seriously, how many of us have wondered how in the world one of our higher- ups was promoted because he/she is CLUELESS?! If it's that bad in the workplace, why on God's green earth would we want the same scenario in the White House? (why? because it's easier to make excuses than to deal with the issues)

To the caller today he said he'd vote for Palin over Obama because she's governor and all he's ever done is organize a bunch of people... Caller, you're able to speak your opinion BECAUSE of a great organizer who was able to rally "a bunch of people." Don't underestimate the power of a group of people with like- minded goals. Martin Luther King, Jr. just 'organized a bunch of people,' but would you honestly vote for Palin over him? Wait, that wouldn't even be an issue because had he not organized the masses, Palin wouldn't even have the right to even vote, not to mention run for office...

To the author of the post regarding a doctor graduating at the bottom of his class is still a doctor... True. But he won't be mine. If you were on the operating table with a life- threatening condition and you had the choice to choose between a doctor who graduated at the top of his class-- at the most prestigious institution-- and a doctor who graduated nearly dead last, which physician would you choose? America's current condition is about as life- threatening as it gets-- and we need the BEST physician right now.
Furthermore, I believe that those who are comfortable with mediocrity ("someone has to finish last") are usually those who have never experienced what it is to finish first. Having always finished at the top of my graduating classes, anything less is unacceptable. I've taken that work ethic with me in the workplace and continue to rank as a top sales rep in every company I'm with. And I'll guarantee you, these companies don't accept applicants who finished last. If it's not good enough for Corporate America, why is it good enough for the Leader of America?!

When I think of who I want as MY president, I consider various aspects... For one, foreign policy. America is one of the most despised countries right now because of this haughty pride that sends us charging into a groundless war, ignoring consultation... this haughty pride that encourages us to mandate how every one else should live when our own home is in complete disarray... this haughty pride that somehow removes all sense and sensibility and intellectual reasoning in order to maintain the status quo-- no matter how poor it may be. Which candidates could best work with foreign countries-- sternly, yet without disrespect (not just verbally, but also through body language) to rebuild America's positive image? Which candidates have admitted to having no foreign policy experience? Which candidates have no history of galvanizing people with different backgrounds for a common cause? Say what you will, but all great change in America is inspired from the bottom up. Again, even the most successful companies in Corporate America realize this. Why should it be any different with our government?

Those who voted for Bush once... "Fooled me once-- shame on you..."
Those who voted for him a second time... "Fooled me twice...shame on me..."
Those who vote for him a THIRD time (McPalin)... You need to be committed, and your right to vote should be revoked on the grounds of mental incapacity.

[meed622]

Metairie lawmaker considers bill to fund sterilizations
by Richard A.
Webster Staff Writer

NEW ORLEANS - State Rep. John LaBruzzo, R-Metairie, fears Louisiana may be headed toward an economic crisis if the percentage of people dependent on the government is not decreased.


His solution: pay impoverished women $1,000 to have their tubes tied so they will stop having babies they can’t afford.


The idea came to LaBruzzo after hurricanes Katrina and Gustav when the state was forced to evacuate, shelter and care for tens of thousands of people.


"I realized that all these people were in Louisiana's care and what a massive financial responsibility that is to the state," LaBruzzo said. "I said, 'I wonder if it might be a good idea to pay some of these people to get sterilized.
'"

LaBruzzo said he is researching the issue, and if he finds that the number of people on welfare has increased on a dramatic and continuous basis over the past several decades, he may introduce a bill during the next legislative session promoting voluntary sterilization in exchange for monetary compensation.


"If both the welfare and Social Security system keep growing, one day we're going to have a small minority of people working to fund and finance everybody else who isn’t working or producing," LaBruzzo said. "Our kids, who will be working, will be the minority and any vote of theirs will be canceled out. If your livelihood is based on government handouts, why would you ever vote for somebody who is going to lower taxes? They never would. So once we reach that breaking point there's no return.
"

Reaction to LaBruzzo's proposal has been swift. It has been called racist and reminiscent of the genocidal policies of the Nazis.


Shana Griffin, interim director of the New Orleans Women's Health Clinic, described it as a modern day version of eugenics, a theory that promotes improving humanity’s future by decreasing the number of babies produced by people who are seen as physically, socially or mentally deficient.


It is obvious who LaBruzzo is targeting with this legislation by mentioning welfare recipients and those dependent on city-assisted evacuation — poor, black women, Griffin said.


"If someone doesn't have a car and needs to utilize city-assisted evacuation, that makes them a social burden? The fact that he feels so comfortable and entitled to make these statements is a reflection of our society, that we’re OK with the most vulnerable of our community being blamed for the social, economic and political crises that we’re experiencing,” Griffin said. “If we really want to improve the lives of people in our communities we would think about raising the minimum wage, holistic health care, improving labor laws, employment opportunities for all people and the educational system.


"Instead he wants to use a form of medical experimentation and forced sterilization on poor women of color, using their economic status as a way to make them more vulnerable to the offer.
”

Tulane University criminologist Peter Scharf said LaBruzzo's idea is proof that Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" is alive and well. In the 1729 satirical essay, Swift proposed solving Ireland’s economic troubles by selling children as food to the wealthy. His essay is subtitled, "For Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden to Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Public.
"

It is not unusual during times of economic turmoil for people to lay the blame for everyone’s problems on the backs of the black underclass, Scharf said. But in this case, LaBruzzo is out on a raft by himself.


"We're about to go into a major recession or depression and no one economically is blaming it on the black underclass," Scharf said. "They're blaming it on Congress, George W. Bush or the captains of industry. The true victimizers of present-day society live in the corporate boardrooms, and very few of them are black. They’re the people running Fannie Mae, Lehman Brothers and AIG.


"We're about to spend $700 billion in a week to save these welfare corporations who have ripped off society, and he's worrying about someone who might collect a welfare check 20 years from now? The irony given the world situation today makes me want to laugh.
"

But this is not about the problems of today, LaBruzzo said. It is about the future and whether the number of people dependent on the state will continue to grow to the point where the whole system crashes.


LaBruzzo said he is only considering the proposal for now while he conducts research. But backlash from various groups was to be expected, he said.


“The black community will say this is some sort of race-based genocide. And there will be tremendous push back from the ACLU. They'll try to say these people are incapable of making such a decision when their life is in turmoil. That if you're dangling money in front of them, of course they'll make a decision that will affect them negatively.


"My argument would be if they’re incapable of making a decision whether to cease reproduction are they capable of raising multiple children to be good citizens? And if they're incapable, maybe Social Services should take their children.
"

The church also bears some responsibility for failing to speak out more forcefully against economically challenged women giving birth to multiple children, LaBruzzo said.


"I'm sure many of these people aren't going to church every Sunday and many aren't married before having children and sex. But the church isn't condemning their lifestyle. They’re just condemning anyone who's trying to do something about it.
"

Despite the criticisms that have been leveled against him, LaBruzzo insists that voluntary sterilization has nothing to do with race.


"The majority of people on welfare in the nation are white. So the people making those arguments are less concerned with helping those people and more concerned trying to convince themselves that they're not prejudiced, that they're these wonderful, good people. The politically safe thing to do is to not touch this, but the train is potentially going off the cliff and everyone just wants to ignore the problem.
"

Griffin said it would have been to the benefit of everyone if LaBruzzo was the one ignoring the problem.


"Referring to people as social burdens is the same as referring to them as social degenerates," she said. "What he needs to keep in mind is that the people he's talking about sterilizing are the working class who keep this city afloat.


Check out www. neworleanscitybusiness. com:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[FVR]

8C,

Enjoyed your post. I hope you feel that way about your doctors when we get socialized medicine, oh that's right, you're not going to have a choice.

As far as finishing first, I do. I don't come in second, third or last. I give 110% on everything I do and am formatting my childrens brains to do the same. But then, finishing first, you look behind and always see those that don't. Do you think that they are bad people, or do you realize that for you to finish first, they must finish behind you.

As far as your thought on the right to vote. Maybe we should have a society that thinks like that. Only, you can only vote if you have been in the military and offered your life for the country, or you are a home owner and paying taxes.

I mean, if you don't own a home, face it, I'm paying for your kids to go to school. Let's go one better, if you are receiving any social assistance, they you should not be able to vote because of course you will be voting for the candidate that will enable you to receive your payments.


Of course, all that I have mentioned and what you mentioned is just outragious and thank God, laws aren't made based on our thoughts. Or lack of.

[8cb1913]

Lynch, you argue that the Democratic party keeps Blacks down, as does welfare. I happen to agree with you about welfare, but not as it affects soley Blacks-- as it affects EVERYONE.
I encourage you to do a little research, however, and see what race actually receives the most government assistance. The media may paint the picture that it's Blacks, but as we've seen in this election process, the media can be a bit of...a liar.
As for Brickhouse, someone once said if you think you can do better, DO IT. You do the world absolutely no good by sitting back and complaining about things you're not ACTIVELY working to change. Scripturely, you're a loud, clanging cymbal... salt that's lost its flavor... serving little to no purpose. By not voting, you're simply casting your vote for the least qualified candidate-- whomever you feel that may be.
You can come up with every excuse in the book, but let me go Greek on you for just a moment...
Excuses are monuments of nothing. They build bridges to NOWHERE. Those who use these tools of incompetence seldom amount to anything.

[8cb1913]

8C,

Enjoyed your post. I hope you feel that way about your doctors when we get socialized medicine, oh that's right, you're not going to have a choice.

As far as finishing first, I do. I don't come in second, third or last. I give 110% on everything I do and am formatting my childrens brains to do the same. But then, finishing first, you look behind and always see those that don't. Do you think that they are bad people, or do you realize that for you to finish first, they must finish behind you.

As far as your thought on the right to vote. Maybe we should have a society that thinks like that. Only, you can only vote if you have been in the military and offered your life for the country, or you are a home owner and paying taxes.

I mean, if you don't own a home, face it, I'm paying for your kids to go to school. Let's go one better, if you are receiving any social assistance, they you should not be able to vote because of course you will be voting for the candidate that will enable you to receive your payments.


Of course, all that I have mentioned and what you mentioned is just outragious and thank God, laws aren't made based on our thoughts. Or lack of.

FVR, please don't misconstrue my message. The person who finishes 2nd or 200th is not a bad person. Please help me find where I made that statement. But the fact of the matter is, all things considered and above- board, first place usually put in the work to be first. The valedictorian and the graduate with the lowest GPA have most- times put in VERY different levels of work and commitment (heck, I know people who worked, pledged, carried a full load of classes, AND raised a child...and STILL graduated well above the bottom of the class). So when I'm looking at a country in dismay, I need someone who has consistenly put in first- place work. Does my company look down on people who didn't graduate at the top of their class? No. But that also doesn't mean they have to (or will) give them a top position. If your children bust their backsides to be the best at all they do and yet lose positions, accolades, or awards to someone less qualified, how do you rationalize that to them?
Furthermore, my comment on the right to vote was simply banter to reflect the ignorance that so many demonstrate with regard to electing the President... playing with fire... catching on fire... and continuing to walk around a gasoline- watered field with matches. At what point do you stop and say, "THIS IS RIDICULOUS?!"
By the way, to your point, I own two homes and have no children, so I, in fact, am paying for your kids to attend school. But I do it gladly because I know it's what's best for America.

You also commented on "socialized" medicine (not to be confused with Obama's universal plan, right?). Let me ask you, how much freedom do you have now to choose a physician? I work in the healthcare industry, and I've seen LARGE hospitals change coverage in a matter of weeks, forcing patients to pay out of pocket or find a doctor elsewhere in that plan. Whether we like it or not, our freedom to choose is already severely restricted, as are our benefits. Seriously, how does your plan today compare to your plan 8-10 years ago? We are at the mercy of insurance plans and a faltering environment struggling to balance expenses and incomes. And were you aware that Obama's plan "retains the private insurance system?" Let's face it, we are also already bearing the cost of the un/under- insured... more often in extreme cases that could've been treated at a much lower cost with preventive care. With thousands of people getting laid off and, therefore, LOSING THEIR HEALTH COVERAGE for themselves and their families, do you think the situation is actually going to get better?! When situations change, policies must change. We can keep doing what we've been doing for the past 8 years, but we'll also keep getting what we've been getting. I don't know about you, but that sounds like an awful proposition to me.

[8cb1913]

You know it doesn't matter if you voted for Obama b/c you identify with what he stands for and believe that he can make a change or if you just voted for him b/c he's black. The majority of the people with think the latter is the reason. It's just ashame that still in 2008 the black man has to still work twice as hard despite the fact that the white candidate has pretty much said it himself, he doesn't know jack and his running mate don'lt know jack s***. How can you trust that a man who's been in Congress as long as McCain has to make the change that I believe in. He's had years to make a change and has consistently voted 90% of the time with Bush. So what change is he talking about. He scoffed at Obama for saying or believing in change and now he wants to jump on the change bandwagon. He can't even come up with his own slogan. And no Obama is not going to change things over night. It's taken years to get in the mess we're in and to think that he's going to do it in 4 years you're sadly mistaken.

Babyface, I agree. Unfortunately, more attention is given to Black people voting for Obama than for women voting for Palin (simply b/c she's a woman) or white males voting for McCain (simply b/c he's a white male). There has always been and will always be a double standard, and history has proven that we just have to find other ways to rise above it.
As for change, you're dead on! It's not going to happen overnight. That's like gaining 30 pounds in one year and thinking you'll get it off in one week... Only with much time, dedication, sacrifice, and THE SUPPORT AND WORK OF THE PEOPLE will change occur. Even as President, Obama will still be ONE man.

[8cb1913]

How can Ole Miss get away with hosting a rally like this? There has to be something in the rules that should block this. I can see Oxford MS giving them a permit to rally but the school where they received federal money?

The sad thing is, this doesn't surprise me. After all, the state still flies the confederate flag...
But I'm sure if the Black Panthers asked to come, there'd be all kinds of drama.
But the bottom line is, it's 2008, and they need to try that madness with someone else. As the great- granddaughter of a man who had to answer his door with a shot gun because racists wanted his land, as the granddaughter of a preacher who was attacked by police in MS simply for driving after dark, as the great-niece of a man who was run out of MS by the KKK, and as the woman who, at the age of 8, was called a n!gger by a white woman who nearly ran me over with her shopping cart, I have little to no tolerance for that nonsense. And as sad it is to say, these people will take this ignorance to their graves. I wonder, if on Judgement Day they saw that Jesus is Black, would they choose hell? I could care less if he's Black, Asian, Hispanic, etc... It's just not that deep. He created EVERY man in his own image, but they're too filled with the devil to accept that.

If anyone hears of a counter- rally of non- racists, please post, b/c I would like to go and support my brothers and sisters there of ALL races who don't submit to this racist ideology.

[powerfinalists]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK

Was all 95% of the African American vote given to Obama over Clinton based only on the content of his character?

The media left out some detail on whites and racism.
The AP - Yahoo - Stanford study on racism and voting states that
10% of whites are racist against Obama and 6% of whites are racist for Obama


I quote the study:
"Ten percent of white respondents said the fact that Obama would be the country's first black president made them less likely to vote for him. Six percent said that factor would make them more likely to vote for him,


THIS MEANS 16% OF THE WHITES ARE RACIST!
10% RACIST AGAINST Obama and 6% OF WHITES ARE RACIST FOR Obama!


Would MLK be proud of either group?

With 95% of Blacks voting for Obama over Clinton in the primaries I would say at least the same number of Blacks are racist for Blacks, but no one studied the fact. No one has gotten that high a black vote in a primary since Jesse Jackson got 92% back in 1988. Any similarities between those two?

Would MLK be proud of the African American vote in the primaries? Is it too far a stretch to say at least 10% of African American primary voters cast their vote due to race?

Lets face the fact that change will happen faster if we spend time educating our own race first about giving our race preferences and that it is wrong.

By the way
The Yahoo - AP - Stanford Study goes on to say:

While race is an indisputable factor in the election, it's not the biggest issue hurting Obama among Democrats and independents. Those groups are more concerned about his competency, with more than a quarter of Obama's fellow Democrats doubting that he'll be able to bring the change they want.

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/september24/poll-092408.html

[8cb1913]

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - MLK

Was all 95% of the African American vote given to Obama over Clinton based only on the content of his character?

The media left out some detail on whites and racism.
The AP - Yahoo - Stanford study on racism and voting states that
10% of whites are racist against Obama and 6% of whites are racist for Obama


I quote the study:
"Ten percent of white respondents said the fact that Obama would be the country's first black president made them less likely to vote for him. Six percent said that factor would make them more likely to vote for him,


THIS MEANS 16% OF THE WHITES ARE RACIST!
10% RACIST AGAINST Obama and 6% OF WHITES ARE RACIST FOR Obama!


Would MLK be proud of either group?

With 95% of Blacks voting for Obama over Clinton in the primaries I would say at least the same number of Blacks are racist for Blacks, but no one studied the fact. No one has gotten that high a black vote in a primary since Jesse Jackson got 92% back in 1988. Any similarities between those two?

Would MLK be proud of the African American vote in the primaries? Is it too far a stretch to say at least 10% of African American primary voters cast their vote due to race?

Lets face the fact that change will happen faster if we spend time educating our own race first about giving our race preferences and that it is wrong.

By the way
The Yahoo - AP - Stanford Study goes on to say:

While race is an indisputable factor in the election, it's not the biggest issue hurting Obama among Democrats and independents. Those groups are more concerned about his competency, with more than a quarter of Obama's fellow Democrats doubting that he'll be able to bring the change they want.

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/september24/poll-092408.html

Great sentiment where an equal playing field is concerned. In the beginning, I didn't know if I'd vote for Obama or Clinton because I felt both were very qualified. However, it was the way that each handled the "fight" for the spot that secured my vote.
As for someone not voting for him because of doubtful change, I question how much of that is truly rooted in his capabilities. His capabilities either match or supercede those of past great leaders-- but one difference remains. I question, if the tables were turned and he was of a different persuasion, would he be more of the breath of fresh air America wants. One thing I have learned (not just from opinion, but from interview) is that more people seek any small excuse to NOT vote for him while seeking an even smaller excuse TO vote for McPalin. AP can do all the studies they want, but the truth lies in the hearts of man-- and if often not revealed to these 'studies.'

I also agree with you regarding teaching our own the injustice of racial preferences. However, we also need to understand the power of solidarity that even got us to this point (not to the detriment, however, of settling for mediocrity).

[firerednikki]

Every dumb american that decides to vote for Mccain or just don't vote at all is more than a punk, they are a stupid mutha f$@&*, why on god's green earth want to suffer four more years.... come on it does not take a rocket scienist to know when they have been screw enough times.







THIS IS YOUR NATION ON WHITE PRIVILEGE

September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their fuckin' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you're a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.

White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an "average guy," while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you "uppity" and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.

White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that's OK, and you're still cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.

White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."

White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.

White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.

White privilege is being able to say that you hate "gooks" and "will always hate them," and yet, you aren't a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you're entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

[firerednikki]

Mr. Basiden,
This is my first time blogging on your site and I have posted two so far... but I want to know is where the hell is P.Diddy and his vote or die...now you know this generation loves the Young Jezzy and Lil Wayne... but I want to know what they are doing to uplift the youth and tell them to register to vote instead of the bottle popping and fornication going on. What have you heard? if any...sleepless in Oak PARK,IL ...Go Cubs!!!!!

[lawlaw]

As a black democrat with a plethera of white friends, I must say that I have to agree with you!

[Glazed Donuts]

The sad thing is, this doesn't surprise me. After all, the state still flies the confederate flag...
But I'm sure if the Black Panthers asked to come, there'd be all kinds of drama.
But the bottom line is, it's 2008, and they need to try that madness with someone else. As the great- granddaughter of a man who had to answer his door with a shot gun because racists wanted his land, as the granddaughter of a preacher who was attacked by police in MS simply for driving after dark, as the great-niece of a man who was run out of MS by the KKK, and as the woman who, at the age of 8, was called a n!gger by a white woman who nearly ran me over with her shopping cart, I have little to no tolerance for that nonsense. And as sad it is to say, these people will take this ignorance to their graves. I wonder, if on Judgement Day they saw that Jesus is Black, would they choose hell? I could care less if he's Black, Asian, Hispanic, etc... It's just not that deep. He created EVERY man in his own image, but they're too filled with the devil to accept that.

If anyone hears of a counter- rally of non- racists, please post, b/c I would like to go and support my brothers and sisters there of ALL races who don't submit to this racist ideology.

Apparently, there is some truth to this. Whether or not they actually get out there and DO it on Friday is another story...

http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=279323&pub=1
http://www.thedmonline.com/an_open_letter_to_the_kkk
http://www.thedmonline.com/um_students_not_threatened_by_klan_s_possible_appe arance

[powerfinalists]

8cb,

You wrote:

" I question, if the tables were turned and he was of a different persuasion, would he be more of the breath of fresh air America wants. One thing I have learned (not just from opinion, but from interview) is that more people seek any small excuse to NOT vote for him while seeking an even smaller excuse TO vote for McPalin. AP can do all the studies they want, but the truth lies in the hearts of man-- and if often not revealed to these 'studies.'"

You question is "What if he was not black?"

There are two things we know for sure about Obama, 1) He is black, 2) He has huge ears

Our own high values on skin color really show up when you change your question to "I question, if the tables were turned and he had smaller ears, would he be more of the breath of fresh air America wants?"

I hope soon we will laugh at skin color issues as we would ear size. (Try it with every thread in this post replace the issue of race with ear size - its funny - people getting all mad about 10% of small eared folks said they will not vote Obama because of his ears and 3% of those have really bad things to say about big ears.)

To get to that point alot of wealthy powerful African Americans will have to move aside. Would we need an NAACP, a Black Entertainment Network, Miss Black America etc etc? (I really laugh at Miss Big Ear America) Will they move aside? History would say they will say "There is more work to be done" (ie more money to be made from African Americans).

[FVR]

8c,

Another good post from you. I understand your position on working hard and being the best. I am instilling it in my children as we speak. It's hard because a black child has to work 10 times harder to get the recognition that white children already have.

I know banter when I read it, my sarcastic remarks should have shown you that. Fire, matches, bonfire.

Sorry, but you're not paying for my kids, up here where I live, I'm paying my fare share on my own home. Also, since we have owned the home for the last 10 years, and my kids are 5 and 6, I, like you have been picking up the tab for a few.

You doctors comments, I sometimes engage fingers before engaging brain. I know what you are saying with the doctors, and honestly, with one special needs child (CP and Neuro. problems, and vision problems) I honestly don't know how some people can pay the med. bills.

You can do everything right in the US right now, purchase a house right, pay off the credit cards, purchase your cars with cash or pay off early, and if you have a child that needs to see a doctor that charges 150 plus an hour, you can find yourself in debt real fast.

Heaven help those that lose their jobs. We will be losing our second auto plant soon in Atl.

I honestly don't know if the medical and ins. situation will ever get better. The repo's did nothing, and the dems that I voted for in 2006 have done nothing.

So, when a man who stands up and makes all these great promises, I wonder how in touch with the real world and the political parties he really is. Then I just sit back and realize, he's a politician who seems to have been working one direction since he got in the loop. Obama did not make any real diff. in Ill., so why should he do anything more as president?

[Libertarian]

Mike, I love your show, but you should try inviting Dr. Walter E. Williams or Dr. Thomas Sowell on your show to express the "other side of the story".

I apologize up-front if the post is a bit "rambly", but I can never get you on the phone, so it's a sort of "stream of consciousness" post! Ha Ha

The fact that Barack is going vastly increase our dependance on the federal government is the BIG reason I will not be voting for him...not that I am voting for McCain either...Bob Barr will probably get my vote. BTW< if either Dr. Sowell, Dr. Williams or JC Watts were running, I would vote for them in a NEW YORK minute! Ha Ha

But...where in the Constitution is Congress given the power to provide people healthcare? Don't go to the "general welfare" clause...James Madison explained that clause rather specifically.

Where in the Constitution does it state that one of the enumerated powers of the Federal Government is to make the life of the individual citizen fair?

I'll give the answers...it does NOT and it does not.

Why is NEITHER candidate talking about reducing the cost of healthcare and getting the shyster lawyers out of the system? Let the properly regulated FREE marketplace bring down the cost. WHy can't WE, as the consumer choose our healthcare a la carte? Why can Wal-Mart offer $4 prescriptions? The MARKETPLACE provided that for us.

More money is not the answer to our problems...look at out education system. We pay more per student than most other coutries in the WORLD, but our students are lagging behind. Perhaps throwing money at problems isn't always the answer?

WRT taxes, I am so SICK of Barack talking about raising taxes on the "evil rich". Joe Biden says its our "patriotic duty" to pay more taxes. I dont see ANY of these hyprocrites writing checks to the Treasury. If ANYONE in this country thinks they have too much money or the "guilt" of being successful weighs too heavily on you...send the Feds a BIG check every month...do your "patriotic duty".

BTW, It is OUR money...we earned it and if the Feds have a RIGHT to 50% of a millionare's check, the Feds also have a right to 50% of the check of a man who makes $45,000. Progressive taxes are a tool of the Communists...

[powerfinalists]

FVR,

I feel your pain and worry.

Both Candidates are members of the worst congresses in the history of Congress, they let Bush take their oversight away and did not manage the executive as a good "check and balance".

One of those Congresses was a Repo the other was a DoNothingOcrat. Neither did anything to avert our present economic situation, yet both were warned.

As far as leadership, McCain, Obama and Clinton tried to rally their parties behind a bill in Feb to stop earmark spending (Congressional Pork). The bill failed badly with both parties.

So much for "leadership" skills in our Presidential choices.

[AfrikA]

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[MedleyMisty]

I guess you don't stay logged in indefinitely on here?

Anyway - I think my general points were that valedictorians who have to work to be valedictorians are not actually intelligent. I slacked my ass off and won spelling bees and awards and scored high enough on the SAT in 7th grade (the top one half of the top one percent, according to TIP) to go to Duke's Talent Identification Program. And I also slacked in those classes and still made good grades.

If you have to work to be valedictorian, you're not so much intelligent as highly motivated by external reward and recognition. And I've done a lot of research on intelligence, and the general trend is that the higher the genetic intelligence, the less you care about external material stuff and the more you care about the general good.

Let's see...oh, I made the point that I'm white and it seems to me that when white privilege comes up, a lot of white people whine and cry and throw themselves a pity party and deny that there's any racism or white privilege because they're white and not rich. Classism and racism are pretty intertwined, true, but a poor white person has an easier time of it generally than a poor black person. And anyway neither classism nor racism are individually based - how does it make any sense to say that society as a whole isn't racist just because you are one little white person who didn't get absolutely everything handed to you on a silver platter?

I also came to the conclusion that the basic political difference is between two worldviews - a worldview of scarce resources and fierce competition in which people have to be kicked and held down for you to be on top and a worldview of plenty where there's enough to share and everyone is equal.

And I made some observations based on my own life experience - like I occasionally get some class privilege because people assume that I'm more well off than I am because I am intelligent, and in our society people squish the concepts of intelligence, education, money, and personal worth together and the result is a huge ball of stereotypes and prejudices surrounding intelligence - which I saw the other side of it when I worked at Arby's and people assumed that I was a slobbering idiot while I read the menu and prices to their functionally illiterate and innumerate butts.

Then I ended with a general call to see people as individuals and not as either cardboard cutout stereotypes or shadowy actors in your personal drama, projecting your issues on to them and taking your pain out on them and scapegoating them.

Oh, and one more thing - the worldview of competition for scarce resources is killing us. Look at what we're doing to the planet and to each other. Either we learn to get along and share and stop kicking each other off the ladder, or there won't be much of a species left to worry about some social ladder.

[AMTonyP]

Residents in one northern New Jersey town received fliers over the weekend attacking Barack Obama's candidacy on racial grounds. The flier shows unflattering photos of Obama, including a doctored one making him look like Osama Bin Laden, above text that reads: "Black Ruled Nations most unstable and violent in the world." The flier cites poverty, HIV, and unemployment rates in Haiti and South Africa, and warns: "The United States of America will be next! Why should we seal our fate by allowing a black ruler to destroy us?" See the flier by the link below:

http://www.letstalkhonestly.mymprofitsystems.com/f/black_president1.gif

[Glazed Donuts]

LOL wow they can't even spell Barack's name right. Whatever, that 'CIA Worldbook' source or whatever they get those numbers is a bunch of BS, and anyone who is truly that stupid enough to believe that nonsense deserves a good punch in the face by reality.

Sadly, there are millions of stupid people out there.

[UrbanCntrySoul]

I happened across this info early this morning. Here is a link if you do not believe me.

As of 9/23/2007 by Del Jones US TODAY reported you need $1.3 billion to be on the list.
As I read the article I happened across this info...
"Hedge fund manager John Paulson, not on the list last year, vaulted to No. 165 by making more than $1 billion short-selling subprime credit over the summer. Paulson, 51, made a big bet that home buyers would not be able to pay their mortgages"
Here is the link
http://www.usatoday.com/money/2007-09-20-forbes-richest-americans_N.htm

Remember the "GOD THE FATHER" For every great fortune there is a great crime.

[saynotoobama`]

We have said many times before on this site that this Presidential race will be about race. Many of you on this site are new to the political scene, many of you on here react on emotions, many of you support Sen Obama because He is Black, many of you are Democrats.

Blacks right now are in a state of "Shock" and disbelief with the new polls that came out recently on Whites not voting for Sen Obama because of his color.
We have mentioned this several times before that White people will not vote for Sen Obama because He is Black.
We also ask you not to read into these polls conducted by the media. The mainstream media is hiding many Truths from the American people. One of the Truths is now coming out, because many White Americans are starting to be more truthful when they are selected for these polls. Don't believe these polls that say Sen Obama is leading or Sen McCain is leading, because again most(not all) of these White people are not being honest when asked by the pollsters. One reason is most White Americans are not prejudice, but many are prejudice and most of them will not honestly vote for a Black man.

Now shifting to a different problem currently going on.
The Blame game is on in our capital city of Washington, DC. You have the Do-Nothing Democratic led Congress in a deadlock on one of the most important issues of the decade. Everyone is blaming and pointing the finger at President George Bush, when President Bush is only one part of the problem.

You must understand that the Washington Congress and Senate are politicians elected to work for the American people.

In 2006, the electorate chose to give the Democratic Party control of the Congress. Now remember, Congress has total control of money spent and the direction of the county by legislation.

Since 2006, unemployment has gone up, most stocks have declined in value, the housing market has collapsed, gas prices has risen to unheard of prices, and the approval rating of the Democratic led Congress is lower than President Bush.
With that being said, it don't take a rocket scientist to take a look at the above facts and come to a reasonable conclusion.

Now All Black Democrats get this, this poll was conducted on just Democratic voters, not Republicans, not Independents, but your party White voters.
Now ain't that a shame when Blacks flock to this party like bees for decades and now you have one of your own color at the top of your party ticket, and you find out that over 40% your party White people will not vote for Sen Obama.
What a Reality Check here, What have we been telling Black people about the Democratic party all this time.
We don't care for the Republican party either, but to hear that the Democratic party White people won't support their party candidiate because he is Black is not a suprise to us.

Black Democrats this should be a "Reality Check" for all of you. How foolish are you to be in a party that when a White man was the party candidate, you voted for Him, but now you have a man of color headlining the ticket and over 40% admit they will not vote for Sen Obama.
Now that is the one's that has currently come out and openly admitted their opinions, What about the White Democrats that are cowards and keep their feelings to themselves until they vote. There are many more White Democrats that feel the same way.

How can Black people continue to stay in a political party where Blacks are not fairly treated? All the Democratic Party wants is your votes, but not your kind to be President. The Republican Party is not asking for Black Americans vote because of Sen Obama. Sen John McCain has reached out, but He knows that the loyalty is with Sen Obama.

How can Blacks talk about Sen McCain and the Republican party when their own party don't respect them.
This is Shameful... What Next Black People... We told you that the Democratic party were Users... Now you see it for yourselves...

We report a lot of information to many different sites, but we have found that this is the worst site as for political educated responses.Most Black people just don't pay attention, and most are the young kids that act on emotions rather than intelligence. Maybe you will pay attention and leave the Democratic party.

We are Independents, and we have the freedom to vote for the best qualified candidiate for us, not pressured to vote for a party candidiate, just because. It is a wonderful feeling Black people when you can make your own decision for the right candidate of your choice.

Stop being taken for granted Black people by the Democratic Party. Remember your party is the Party responsible for the disaterous Welfare program. The Welfare program that after all these years still have Black people in poverty.
You talk of the Republican Party has not done anything for Blacks either, but you have to ask yourself, What have you done for the Republican Party.
The Bottom line is that neither Party has done much to deserve your affiliation, so why belong, why put yorself in a dead end party realtionship.


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[Glazed Donuts]

So it seems McCain is being a chicken and not showing up for the debate Friday (or at least, he's leaving it up in the air). Not only that, he stood David Letterman up. I hope those debates go as scheduled. If Obama ends up being the only one there to speak, then so be it. It will further show how dedicated he really is to fix America.

[Eclairusa]

What is it with America? Are we so nostalgic for yesterday that we wish for even the most embarrassing time in our history to return? This election year will show the true character of this country. All eyes are on us; not so much looking to see who we choose to lead us but how we chose that leader. To truly believe that skin color determines peoples worth, intelligence, decency and character is outrageous. What is it about skin color that divides us so much? Is the infestation of ignorance really so rampant?

I would never to tell people how to cast their vote. My concern is that Americans will decide on their candidate solely on the basis of his/her skin color. Americans will vote for a candidate solely because of their skin color just to make history. On the other hand Americans will vote for a candidate they do not believe in or trust in because the other candidate is not of an acceptable race. We will accept more of the same bureaucracy, lying, cheating and stealing just not to see a non-white in office. As great as this country is I am often shamed by our citizen’s way of thinking and reacting; the ignorance is stifling.

I will be the very first to say how shocked I was that a black man in this country would get as far as Senator Obama has in his run for the Presidency. I know we have grown a great deal but I did not realize how much. With that being said we have a very long way to go because race is still very much an issue. The biggest issues that are tearing this country apart are greed and bigotry. How do we get past this? As great as this country is no one seems to recognize the greatness this country could achieve if we put these issues behind us.

We should embrace our differences and began to really invest in our country and it citizens. The idea of the rich and powerful deciding on what is good for the country should be over. The sad truth is that the very leaders of this country, rich and power white men, control the economy. A great deal of these powerful men, are the ones bankrupting this country. In order for this county to move forward and grow as a nation these very same men need to move out of the way because changing their way of thinking has not and will not happen.

Image this country again becoming the envy of the world. Image no poverty, no need for a welfare system as we know it today, very little to no unemployment. In my mind we can achieve this sort of utopia if we would just invest in this country and invest in our people. The ones that have should not be so devoted to making sure the have not’s get nothing while they gain more. Efforts should be made to remove the glass ceiling. We should dump out the jars of jellybeans instead of trying to keep all of the black ones out while allowing only one in.

When we realize that to truly be great is to overcome our ignorance and work as one we will achieve that very greatness that we profess to be. One of the first things we need to do is stop subdividing our nation. I was born an American. I am not a Black American nor am I an African American. I am an American.

We are so immersed in self-indulgence and narrow-mindedness that other nations can come into this country and kill our sisters and brothers while we watch helplessly. We are so busy fighting amongst ourselves or being so selfish and greedy that we can not see our destruction on the horizon. When will we be ride of this disease? As educated as we are we are infected with ignorance and self-destruction to epic proportions. We are being held back by our very own lack of vision and intolerance. As a country we show a lack of character and integrity. This country is being sold out to the highest bidders at the expense of its very existence.

We are a nation of have and have not’s, ins and outs, acceptables' and unacceptables'. My grandmother always told me everything that shines is not gold, everything white is not clean and everything black is not dirty. My thing is this, people get over it. This country is being thrown into economic failure and headed toward ruins all because of selfish greed and intolerance. This is a nation of mixed heritages and cultures; the very element that could enable our greatness.

As Americans, what do we really stand for? As a nation, as a people, do we want to be remembered throughout history as a country with such great potential and influence but could not get past greed and race to achieve harmony and prosperity for the masses? How do we want to be seen hundreds of years from now when this time in history is studied and evaluated? Do we want to be a surviving and thriving nation of equals or do we want our history to be cut short and the end of the story stating that if they could have only gotten past their differences what a great and powerful nation they could have been.

What do you stand for? Are you ready for a change? Are you tired and feed up with the way this country is being pillaged? How loud are you willing to shout? What are you willing to change about your way of thinking and acting? The time for change is now. Believe me when I say “A Change Is Gone Come”; advantageous or destructive; it is our choice.

[Lynch]

What Change is going to come?

How in the world will Obama, the Black man, that can't Unite his White party, Change White America?

Black people are the only one's still walking around preaching change. Talking about The Dream. Talking about Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and this is what he Dreamed. Who told you that? How do you know what Dr King would do if he was here? I know He would not stand around with his finger up his butt, like you are doing, and let the White Democrats make him look bad.

I never had the priviledge of meeting Dr King, and I don't think that Dr King would vote for John McCain, but I don't know if He would vote for Obama either. Why would He?
Just because He is Black. Dr King and many other great Americans died for ALL Americans to be treated equal regardless of color.

It seems as though the White Democrats are making the Democratic Change theme come true. They are changing their opinions from Obama, and by the time the voting day comes around, Obama will be history.

Since when will White folks allow for a Black man to become President of these United States Of America. The Truth is coming to light.
The few White people that will vote for Obama will be the party faithfuls.
These are the hard core dedicated Democrats who may not want to see it happen, but the party comes first. They will go in the polling booth and close their eyes and vote for Obama.

What Dream are you On? Obama is having relapses off those drugs He was hooked on a few years ago. How long Ago? Not long Ago!

At some point Black people reality has to be seen, get out of this denial stage. White people are telling you that you are lazy and dangerous, they are scared of you. What else is there to say to convince you that the only change that White America wants is things to get better for them and their families or their businesses.

Is White America ready for a Black President?
I say White America, because I know Black America is ready, but White Americans will decide who will win this election.
Now I am not saying this to stop some Black person from going to the polls to vote because all votes count, but White Americans will rule in numbers.

Every Black person that so say have White friends and White co-workers, that think that their White friends or co-workers will vote for Obama for President, needs to rethink, because once they get in the voting booth, they are alone, who knows who they will vote for. They can tell you they will vote for Obama, but nobody knows, but them.

Wake Up Black People, How can you be foolish enough to think that Obama will win.

Don't Obama has to start with the votes from His own party first?
Well then like I've said before that number is shrinking as time get's closer to November 4th. So where will the magic numbers come from?

History is definitely in the making.

[tennislover]

I encourage every American to educate themselves on how the political process in this country, as outlined in the Constitution, works; then, and only then, can we all ensure we are supporting the right candidate for the right reason. I've said before, and I repeat...politicians will tell you what you want to hear in order to gain what they seek.

Pay less to attention to what they say and more to what they don't say, there you will find the truth. Example: "They" want you focused on Sarah Palin--she really is a non-factor in all of this (recall Dan Quayle)-- so John McCain essentially flies under the radar. The GOP didn't make a mistake in selecting her...they knew exactly what they were doing, as she's their antithesis to Sen Obama.

Don't rely on the media for the truth! The media packages "news" in order to gain your viewership, they care less about truth, fairness, balance or accuracy than they do viewer numbers. They'll report on a story and leave it to the viewer to sort out the details. But WE continually swallow the half-truths they serve us and regurgitate it as if it's true/accurate.

Sen Obama can't do most of what he says...he might influence the direction of the nation or congress, but he has very little to do with most of the changes he proposes. If you REALLY want to make a change, change your congressman and senator. Unfortunately, Rev Wright said it best when he said Sen Obama said what he had to because "he's a politician". Think about it, who will Sen Obama be beholding to after he's elected? You, or someone who looks like the very establishment he so eloquently speaks against? Who really will ultimately put him in and keep him in office?

Sen McCain is a man of honor and service. How many of us could survive 13yrs as a tortured POW? How many of us would turn down an offer of unconditional release? Yes, he is a flawed man, and a republican politician. I only fault him for selling-out his centrist/liberal perspectives for a shot at the presidency. Recall there was talk of him being Sen Kerry's running mate and defecting to the Democratic party. He's no more a conservative Republican, than I am.

Again, Americans are left to a choice between the lesser of two evils. I fear Black folks are far too willing to support someone simply because of the color of their skin while not challenging that individual on key issues that will affect us all. This election is one of most crucial in recent history and the outcome will impact us in ways that will impact this country for many years to come. I, for one, am not willing to trust anyone with my future without asking them the hard questions that need to be asked before I make a decision!

Bottom line...you want your candidate to win...simple, VOTE!!!!!

[Eclairusa]

What Change is going to come?

How in the world will Obama, the Black man, that can't Unite his White party, Change White America?

Black people are the only one's still walking around preaching change. Talking about The Dream. Talking about Dr Martin Luther King Jr. and this is what he Dreamed. Who told you that? How do you know what Dr King would do if he was here? I know He would not stand around with his finger up his butt, like you are doing, and let the White Democrats make him look bad.

I never had the priviledge of meeting Dr King, and I don't think that Dr King would vote for John McCain, but I don't know if He would vote for Obama either. Why would He?
Just because He is Black. Dr King and many other great Americans died for ALL Americans to be treated equal regardless of color.

It seems as though the White Democrats are making the Democratic Change theme come true. They are changing their opinions from Obama, and by the time the voting day comes around, Obama will be history.

Since when will White folks allow for a Black man to become President of these United States Of America. The Truth is coming to light.
The few White people that will vote for Obama will be the party faithfuls.
These are the hard core dedicated Democrats who may not want to see it happen, but the party comes first. They will go in the polling booth and close their eyes and vote for Obama.

What Dream are you On? Obama is having relapses off those drugs He was hooked on a few years ago. How long Ago? Not long Ago!

At some point Black people reality has to be seen, get out of this denial stage. White people are telling you that you are lazy and dangerous, they are scared of you. What else is there to say to convince you that the only change that White America wants is things to get better for them and their families or their businesses.

Is White America ready for a Black President?
I say White America, because I know Black America is ready, but White Americans will decide who will win this election.
Now I am not saying this to stop some Black person from going to the polls to vote because all votes count, but White Americans will rule in numbers.

Every Black person that so say have White friends and White co-workers, that think that their White friends or co-workers will vote for Obama for President, needs to rethink, because once they get in the voting booth, they are alone, who knows who they will vote for. They can tell you they will vote for Obama, but nobody knows, but them.

Wake Up Black People, How can you be foolish enough to think that Obama will win.

Don't Obama has to start with the votes from His own party first?
Well then like I've said before that number is shrinking as time get's closer to November 4th. So where will the magic numbers come from?

History is definitely in the making.
Lynch why are you so angry? Believe it or not change will come and our children are making that change. Do you really think us as black people do not know what white America is capable of? Change always happens just as we came from the fields not being able to vote we are not at the point where there is actual a black candidate. As I stated in my post, who you vote for is not as important as why you vote for them; that goes for black or white America. There are issues that I hold very dear to me that do not necessary fall in line with Obama but I also do not want the same old politics of this country. The politics of this country is exactly what needs change for this country to be what it should be. White people have been calling us lazy and no good from the beginning and there are many black people out there that prove them wrong everyday whether they acknowledge it or not. Uniting people starts with someone at least trying. Obama winning or not winning is not the point. The point is that he has made it this far in this White America. If he does not make it someone else will follow. That person may not win but believe me when I tell you this one day there will be a black in the white house and there will be a woman.

[War God]

Lynch why are you so angry? Believe it or not change will come and our children are making that change. Do you really think us as black people do not know what white America is capable of? Change always happens just as we came from the fields not being able to vote we are not at the point where there is actual a black candidate. As I stated in my post, who you vote for is not as important as why you vote for them; that goes for black or white America. There are issues that I hold very dear to me that do not necessary fall in line with Obama but I also do not want the same old politics of this country. The politics of this country is exactly what needs change for this country to be what it should be. White people have been calling us lazy and no good from the beginning and there are many black people out there that prove them wrong everyday whether they acknowledge it or not. Uniting people starts with someone at least trying. Obama winning or not winning is not the point. The point is that he has made it this far in this White America. If he does not make it someone else will follow. That person may not win but believe me when I tell you this one day there will be a black in the white house and there will be a woman.
Just ignore Lynch, Eclairusa. He's got nothing like the other naysayers on here that just come to post because they have nothing else to do. In a personal message he replied to me he claimed that this was "serious" for him. Yet all he posts is nonsense about drug use. That sound like a serious issue to you in this year?

[Lynch]

Just ignore Lynch, Eclairusa. He's got nothing like the other naysayers on here that just come to post because they have nothing else to do. In a personal message he replied to me he claimed that this was "serious" for him. Yet all he posts is nonsense about drug use. That sound like a serious issue to you in this year?


Man I told you once before you are a educated North Carolina Negro with a Slave Mentality. You are a "Yes Man", and all you will be able to relate too is what you read on the internet and what you see on TV, because where you live, the White man still have you closed up. We can tell by the way you think.
You are the real poster child for the group called "The Educated Negroes with Slave Mentalities". But don't feel bad, there are many more of you on this site and about. Afraid of the Truth, Living in Denial, and following the leader.

My comments will continue, and I hope the other people who comes on this site will continue to post their comments because everyone has their own opinions, and if someone disagrees then tough, there are only 40 days left.

[War God]

Man I told you once before you are a educated North Carolina Negro with a Slave Mentality. You are a "Yes Man", and all you will be able to relate too is what you read on the internet and what you see on TV, because where you live, the White man still have you closed up. We can tell by the way you think.
You are the real poster child for the group called "The Educated Negroes with Slave Mentalities". But don't feel bad, there are many more of you on this site and about. Afraid of the Truth, Living in Denial, and following the leader.

My comments will continue, and I hope the other people who comes on this site will continue to post their comments because everyone has their own opinions, and if someone disagrees then tough, there are only 40 days left.
See what I mean? He's got nothing.
Brainwashed by George Bush politics and unable to think for themselves. Sad way to live life huh?

["ain'tthatsomething"]

I know all the name calling in the world will not stop my mission on defeating this SELLOUT named Hussein.
Partner, just remember most of these Negroes on here are young kids, most have never voted, most talk big time trash, but on November 4th, they will be missing in action. Most are just reading all the biased print on the web and believe everything they read.
I don't know how often or how long you have been dealing with Negroes, but my brother and sisters are the biggest users of the double standard methods.
If Hussein was a White man and doing the exact things He is doing now, the same Negro supporters he has now, would be in outrage and people like Al Sharpton, the NAACP, and all the other Black so called protection groups would be protesting and marching and calling for Hussein's head.

But being that He is a man of color, excepted by some Whites, these Negroes are blinded by Hussein's non contributions to Blacks, meaning this man Hussein has sold out Blacks for his own political gain. Hussein is a White Man Patsy.
Everything Hussein has done is White. He has to act White, He has to talk White, He has to have His Wife act White.
Tell me what did His campaign do when Michelle got out of line and she upset those White folks with Her remarks of the "First time in my life".
You see what they did with her, they pulled Michelle off the campaign trail and trained Her to act and look more White.
Now my point is that if Hussein is supposed to be Black, then why can't He be Black. What is wrong with being Black?
Don't Black professional people knows how to act? We have many professional Black people that don't have to act White to be accepted by White Americans. But Hussein didn't care, Hussein thought only of Himself because He is in it for Himself. Michelle didn't want to go through this make over to become White, but Her husband the SELLOUT insisted.

Why is having a Black President more important than having a President that will be proud to work for us and acknowledge us. You think it is bad now, what do you think will happen if Hussein is elected, Blacks will be driven into poverty waiting on Hussein. Hussein will take Blacks down the road where we will be non-existent, America will forget about Blacks because Hussein will be scared of His political career and again, Hussein will dis Blacks because He will not want to seem like He is Black. Does this register people, or is the reality too much. This is Factual, look for it, you will find it.

The White man owns Hussein, it don't take much to see that.
Why don't more Blacks see it, is very disturbing. This denial only shows that maybe we really don't care for the welfare of ourselves. All we care about is the Headlines and the celebration of the first Black President.
And when it is all over, some of us will go back to live in poverty, some will go back to working for the low wages, some will go back to their violent crime communities, some will go back to their poverty slum public housing, and some will go back to the poor schools that don't have the adequate materials for the kids to get a proper education.
So who will benefit from our first Black President? Will it be the middle class Hussein talks about helping. Okay, so how many Blacks does that includes?
Who is the middle class Americans? Are there more Blacks that are middle class or are there more Black Americans that are classified as poor on the poverty level?

Are You considered middle class? Are your family considered middle class?


Be Proud of Yourselves... You are Somebody... Lift Up Your Voices....

Ain't That Something.... It is time to "Change" Black Americans Mentality... Change needs to come in the form of Blacks demanding more than just Talk... Have we heard this talk before... What is the difference... Oh, that's right Hussein is Black... Don't be fooled people... Hussein may look like you, but does he actually represents you.... This color is a trick to fool you...Who do you see Hussein with All the Time...Is It Mr. Black Man....No, It's Mr. White Man... Be Smart, Look Out for Yourselves... That is what Hussein is doing...What else matters other than what will benefit you...

What will Hussein do for Black Americans that John McCain will not do?

[tlvoter]

You said...

"Everything Hussein has done is White. He has to act White, He has to talk White, He has to have His Wife act White.
Tell me what did His campaign do when Michelle got out of line and she upset those White folks with Her remarks of the "First time in my life".
You see what they did with her, they pulled Michelle off the campaign trail and trained Her to act and look more White.
Now my point is that if Hussein is supposed to be Black, then why can't He be Black. What is wrong with being Black?
Don't Black professional people knows how to act? We have many professional Black people that don't have to act White to be accepted by White Americans. But Hussein didn't care, Hussein thought only of Himself because He is in it for Himself. Michelle didn't want to go through this make over to become White, but Her husband the SELLOUT insisted."

Folk are so quick to judge what they see on the tube, without knowing the heart of a man/woman. Where have you been this past century??
We have ALWAYS had to walk the walk to make the point, and a politician is no different, however, faced with a 700 dollar million burden, I refuse to vote for the majority party that is in power right now, that knew and did nothing to prevent this. I DON"T CARE WHAT COLOR HE IS and GOd help us all if McCain wins, and dies, and we have to live with Palin.

[tarbabe]

Have you forgotten where we come from. I don't know about you all, but it is time to Wake UP!!! MLK Jr did not go thru this struggle for nothing. Malcom X, JFK,Medgar, Watts Riot, Chicago Riots, Katrina,Ike,Slavery,cotton fields,the N word,Lynching,Restrooms,Resturants,the Bus,Lower Pay,loosing our children in unessesary WAR and so on. This is the time to excercise your Black rights. OBAMA can be it!!! If you are listening to the Debate, Mcain is doing nothing but double talk. He is butting in on the comentator, he is not giving Obama any Respect, and isn't that what it has been for years, years? We need RESPECT!!! Sam Cooke said it best "A CHANGE IS GONNA COME" It is NOW.!!!!!

Why not 2008?

TARBABE

[taunak]

i am white, my husband is black, when i go to cash HIS check, i have no problems, sometimes i don't even need ID. but let me go with him to cash his own check , they want his id, and a fingerprint, they have the manager come approve it, then he/she carries it to the office to call and see if its a real check before they cash it, that is if they cash his check at all.

if i go to the store alone i can bring in my backpack, walk around with my arms full of stuff,
if i go with my husband or my brown children, i cannot enter with a large bag even a diaper bag, and they watch me shop the whole time and peer at my kids making sure they don't wreck the place.

i go in with my white daughter alone and she can run around hiding in the clothes racks and noone says a thing.

i hate it, i can say i sorta knows what it feels like to be black, but not completely because , i can take my black skin off.

we have learned to work the system, if we think there is going to be a problem, i go first to make the deal and then let them see my husband is black.

we got married in Feb 14, 1996 in alabama. we went into two court houses together, when we asked there was anyone in that could marry us at that time, they said no. so when we got to the third court house, i went in first and ask was the judge in to marry me and my boyfriend today, they said yes. i went and got james and when we walk in the judges chambers, he said excuse me a minute, left his chambers and sent his assistant back in to marry us, she sat a book on the desk in front of us and said lets pretend this is a bible. she married us, they sent us a marriage certificate so i guess its legal.

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[njplanner]

Is it White privilege to let everyone think that the confused looking young man paraded at the GOP Convention, is actually the father of said baby? I received an e-mail from a friend, which included a video of a young black male from California, from his My Space page, who was very adamant that he and Bristol Palin hooked up during a visit to Alaska, and resulted in him fathering the child she is caring. Has anyone else heard of this, or watched?
He may have shut down his My Space, as he stated he would do out of respect for Sarah Palin.

I would think that people would get proof before posting comments like this. How does he know, the baby isn't even born yet. I think we should stick to the issues. Barack said Palins family is off limits so why not lhonor his request and leave them off limits

[njplanner]

Why doesn't mainstream America grasp this concept? It seems that many people can think with some sense of intellect-- until it really matters.

To the caller Henry... Would you want your manager to be equally as intelligent as you? Seriously, how many of us have wondered how in the world one of our higher- ups was promoted because he/she is CLUELESS?! If it's that bad in the workplace, why on God's green earth would we want the same scenario in the White House? (why? because it's easier to make excuses than to deal with the issues)

To the caller today he said he'd vote for Palin over Obama because she's governor and all he's ever done is organize a bunch of people... Caller, you're able to speak your opinion BECAUSE of a great organizer who was able to rally "a bunch of people." Don't underestimate the power of a group of people with like- minded goals. Martin Luther King, Jr. just 'organized a bunch of people,' but would you honestly vote for Palin over him? Wait, that wouldn't even be an issue because had he not organized the masses, Palin wouldn't even have the right to even vote, not to mention run for office...

To the author of the post regarding a doctor graduating at the bottom of his class is still a doctor... True. But he won't be mine. If you were on the operating table with a life- threatening condition and you had the choice to choose between a doctor who graduated at the top of his class-- at the most prestigious institution-- and a doctor who graduated nearly dead last, which physician would you choose? America's current condition is about as life- threatening as it gets-- and we need the BEST physician right now.
Furthermore, I believe that those who are comfortable with mediocrity ("someone has to finish last") are usually those who have never experienced what it is to finish first. Having always finished at the top of my graduating classes, anything less is unacceptable. I've taken that work ethic with me in the workplace and continue to rank as a top sales rep in every company I'm with. And I'll guarantee you, these companies don't accept applicants who finished last. If it's not good enough for Corporate America, why is it good enough for the Leader of America?!

When I think of who I want as MY president, I consider various aspects... For one, foreign policy. America is one of the most despised countries right now because of this haughty pride that sends us charging into a groundless war, ignoring consultation... this haughty pride that encourages us to mandate how every one else should live when our own home is in complete disarray... this haughty pride that somehow removes all sense and sensibility and intellectual reasoning in order to maintain the status quo-- no matter how poor it may be. Which candidates could best work with foreign countries-- sternly, yet without disrespect (not just verbally, but also through body language) to rebuild America's positive image? Which candidates have admitted to having no foreign policy experience? Which candidates have no history of galvanizing people with different backgrounds for a common cause? Say what you will, but all great change in America is inspired from the bottom up. Again, even the most successful companies in Corporate America realize this. Why should it be any different with our government?

Those who voted for Bush once... "Fooled me once-- shame on you..."
Those who voted for him a second time... "Fooled me twice...shame on me..."
Those who vote for him a THIRD time (McPalin)... You need to be committed, and your right to vote should be revoked on the grounds of mental incapacity.


The 19th amendment was passed in 1920 so neither Obama or Dr. King had anything to do with that.

[lala60610]

didn't mary mitchell the chicago sun-times columnist write this in her blogpost on white privilege?
I posted her post on my blog (http://thechronicleusa.blogspot.com/2008/09/sun-times-columnist-mary-mitchell.html)!

[shereea]

First of all, Michael Baisden is a black man, he has no power. He could never be racist.

I don't know if you are familiar with Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, James Edwards, and other white television and radio host. You should tune in.

You probably won't, because even though you are a registered republican, you appear (from your comments), to have a head on your shoulder.


I listen to your show just about everyday. I dont "hate" your show. I hear you make comments everyday that you would be "blasting" a white dj about should the roles be reversed. I am not nor have I ever been someone that judges someone by color or creed. Yet I hear you make remarks that seem race biased. Anyway I am a registered republican but I will more than likely be casting my vote for Obama. I do find that he wont use the pledge of allegiance disturbing... how can you lead a country that you dont believe in the pledge or the star spangled banner??? I enjoy the show and will continue to listen .. just remember not all whites are Racists and you can be a black racists as well as white. Thank you and God Bless

[THEGOSPEL]

White people/babyboomers believe they are the only ones and are entitled to be President, Vice President, be in control have all the money, have a good life etc. It's a shame that it's an old habit way of thinking that they cannot break. Black people have always been resilient to CHANGE. Now tell me who is it that's having a hard time to acknowledging CHANGE? Yes many of them will not vote for Senator Obama because he is black which pure EVIL and HATE.

It's the slave owner mentality that they have passed on for generations, many of them are closet bigots. We must continue to let them know that we will not tolerate racism now or later for generations to come. In America, CHANGE begans fighting racism!

["ain'tthatsomething"]

These Black radio personalities which have millions of listeners, have just as much clout and power as the White personalities. It's just these Negroes are a joke within themselves. All of them, especially Baisden and Joyner, both of them misses the opportunities to really be effective and make a difference in the Black communities. But they want to compete in Jokes and bias attacks on the White candidates. Hillary Clinton was constantly abused by all of the Black radio hosts, now it's McCain and Palin and their families that are attacked and mocked and humiliated by jokes and nasty words.

Get this people, it's like it's the Negro hour, where you can call in and get all of your Black information and take part in the mocking of the White people. Then you get to call in and all these Negroes take part in agreeing on and mocking any Black that don't support Hussein. Baisden even goes as far as to put these brothers and sisters that don't support Hussein on "Blast".
Don't Blacks have the right to choose their own candidate regardless of color.
That is what Whites do, so why do we have to be different. Are we thought of as less than others.

Blacks definetly are left behind when it comes to real Black leadership. Where is the Black leadership, Who is the real Black leaders of today. There is no one at the forefront, what is going on here.
Hussein has diminished the Black leadership. Black leaders are quite and not heard of. At all other Presidential elections Blacks demanded to be heard.
Many Blacks threatened to turn to the Republican party on the last elections because the Democratic party were seem to be taking Blacks for granted.

I ask those same Blacks what is the difference today? Don't it seem as though Blacks are being taken for granted like always, so why not demand more this time around. Is it because of Hussein, is it that Blacks don't want to embarrass one of their so say own.
Why are Blacks afraid to see Hussein for what he is, a White Man Patsy.
That is not hard to see, just look around when you see him, and all you see is White. What other Black man you know that is surrounded by all White people, and that don't associate with any Blacks.
Why is Hussein not seen in public with Jesse Jackson Jr., who is by the way his national co-chair. The way I see it is Hussein is all White, from the day he was born Hussein never knew Black, and any real Black person will tell you if you were not born Black, then you can't be Black.
I do have to give credit to Hussein, He is not shy on not wanting to be Black. He is doing a good job on staying away from Blacks. The problem is the Blacks as a people just want to be able to take credit for something, regardless of how they are treated, it don't matter, Blacks will be treated any kind of way just to be able to say there is Black President.
Shameful... But again, Hussein has done away with Black Pride, Blacks are no longer Proud, but desperate to be like the White man. It means to give up the morals and values of being Black, just to be accepted by the White man.
Not all Blacks fall into this category, but Hussein has Divided Blacks instead of Uniting Blacks, the same way He will Divide Americans instead of Uniting America. We all need to Be as ONE... United not Divided, but Proud to be Black


Be Proud of Yourselves... You are Somebody... Lift Up Your Voices...

Ain't That Something...

[msg2tuff]

I received this thread in a email today and it made me think how one-sided this election is and can be. I have another perfect example to White privledge and Sarah Palin,
In 2005, the Kenyan preacher Thomas Muthee stood on the stage of Alaska's Wasilla Assembly of God and called on Christians to take over the world's economic system. "The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It's high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity running the economics of our nations," he said, his remarks captured in recently unearthed video footage. Then he continued: "If you look at the – you know – if you look at the Israelites, that's how they work. And that's how they are, even today."

It's seems pretty clear that Muthee was alluding to Jewish control over global finance. But if Sarah Palin objected, she certainly didn't show it when, a few minutes later, she joined him on stage. There, as she bowed her head and turned her palms toward heaven, Muthee laid hands on her and beseeched God to pump money into her gubernatorial campaign coffers. "Bring finances her way, even for the campaign, in the name of Jesus," he prayed. Earlier this year, speaking at the church, Palin gave Muthee part of the credit for her victory. "He said, 'Lord, make a way, and let her do this next step,' and that's exactly what happened. Again, very, very powerful coming from this church, so that was awesome," she said.

We've seen, in this surreal campaign season, a surfeit of problematic preachers, raising questions of how much responsibility politicians have for their religious consorts. Barack Obama continues to be excoriated for his long association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, whose connections to Louis Farrakhan are being used to frighten some Jewish voters. Yet Obama never had any direct relationship with Farrakhan, nor did he ever join Wright onstage during one of his inflammatory sermons. There is nothing in Obama's history to suggest any tolerance for, let alone comfort with, anti-Semitism. It is not clear that the same could be said for Palin.

Politicians are not accountable for everything said in their presence, or everything uttered by their supporters. If Muthee's comments were the only time Palin appeared to condone anti-Jewish language, it would probably be fair to overlook it. Palin is not, after all, a terribly worldly woman, and it is possible that Muthee's Protocols of the Elders of Zion reference went right over her head.

But this incident was not unique. When Palin ran for governor against incumbent Republican John Stein in 1996, her supporters argued that Wasilla needed a "Christian" mayor. "My background is Lutheran," said Stein. "Does this mean that people think I'm not a Christian?" It did indeed. Some of Palin's backers may have just been suggesting that Stein wasn't a real Christian, but as I learned when I visited Wasilla earlier this month, there was also a rumour that he was Jewish.

Palin isn't overtly hostile to Jews, of course – indeed, one of her daughter Bristol's best friends comes from one of Wasilla's few Jewish families. Yet the religious milieu that shaped her is, at the very least, more anti-Jewish than the one that nurtured Obama. Less than two weeks before Palin was chosen as John McCain's running mate, she sat in the congregation at Wasilla Bible Church as David Brickner, executive director of Jews for Jesus, suggested that violence in Israel was part of God's judgment on non-Christians. "But what we see in Israel," he said, "the conflict that is spilled out throughout the Middle East ... is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment. … When Jesus was standing in the temple, he spoke that that judgment was coming, that there's a reality to the judgment of unbelief."

Can we attribute Brickner's views to Palin? Of course not. We can, however, conclude that they are not uncommon in Palin's church. While in Wasilla, I interviewed Curt Menard, a local politician who is very close to Palin. She was a classmate and close friend of Menard's late son, who, before he died in a 2001 plane crash, was the godfather of Palin's son Track. His wife, Linda, the former director of the Miss Wasilla pageant, recruited Palin into beauty contests, and the couple is currently caring for Palin's dog. Like Palin, they attend Wasilla Bible Church, and I asked Menard about whether we could determine anything about Palin's stance on the Middle East from her religion. He immediately started talking about Brickner. "He spoke on Jews for Jesus, and I think in his opinion … the fact that a lot of the problems and issues that Israel has in the world, is because they haven't accepted Christianity," said Menard. He couldn't say whether Palin shares such views, but he said they were not controversial among the congregation.

Imagine, for a moment, that Obama had a similar record. Imagine that he joined a preacher onstage right after that preacher had spoken about "Israelite" control of the financial sector. Imagine that he had won his first local election against a man with a Jewish-sounding last name amid suggestions that his opponent wasn't really a Christian. Imagine that he had sat in church this summer and listened without protest to a sermon blaming Israel's agonies on the country's adherence to Judaism. All this would likely have resulted in something near hysteria among both the professional media and the demagogues of talk radio.

Yet on Palin, the self-appointed defenders of American Jewry have been fairly quiet. That's because, when it comes to the chosen people, those on the left are held to very different standards than those on the right. Palin, like many right-wing evangelicals, is wildly hawkish on Israel, and in American politics, that's seen as synonymous with friendliness toward the Jewish people. Yet as Pat Robertson and many others have proven, promoting antisemitic conspiracy theories is not incompatible with fanatical Zionism. Palin would, in all likelihood, be an ally of that messianic fringe of the Jewish community determined to thwart any possibility of peace with the Middle East. That doesn't mean her candidacy shouldn't give other American Jews real reason to worry.
A really sad state of affairs. Here is the email address in case you want to see the video. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2008/sep/26/sarah.palin.religion.jews

[ecarllewis]

I went to an Obama rally in Jacksonville, and we did all say the pledge of allegience together. We were lead by a miliary officer, not Obama himself, but please realize that just because the word is out that one time Obama didn't use the pledge, know that most times he does.

[BRICKHOUSE73]

i am white, my husband is black, when i go to cash HIS check, i have no problems, sometimes i don't even need ID. but let me go with him to cash his own check , they want his id, and a fingerprint, they have the manager come approve it, then he/she carries it to the office to call and see if its a real check before they cash it, that is if they cash his check at all.

if i go to the store alone i can bring in my backpack, walk around with my arms full of stuff,
if i go with my husband or my brown children, i cannot enter with a large bag even a diaper bag, and they watch me shop the whole time and peer at my kids making sure they don't wreck the place.

i go in with my white daughter alone and she can run around hiding in the clothes racks and noone says a thing.

i hate it, i can say i sorta knows what it feels like to be black, but not completely because , i can take my black skin off.

we have learned to work the system, if we think there is going to be a problem, i go first to make the deal and then let them see my husband is black.

we got married in Feb 14, 1996 in alabama. we went into two court houses together, when we asked there was anyone in that could marry us at that time, they said no. so when we got to the third court house, i went in first and ask was the judge in to marry me and my boyfriend today, they said yes. i went and got james and when we walk in the judges chambers, he said excuse me a minute, left his chambers and sent his assistant back in to marry us, she sat a book on the desk in front of us and said lets pretend this is a bible. she married us, they sent us a marriage certificate so i guess its legal.


maybe you should move to los angeles, california... we don't have that problem out here!!!
lol

[jus a question]

Can somebody please ask George W Bush, what happen to all that Money&Gold he stole from Sadam when the troops first got in Iraq.? That shore would help the counrty right now!:D :confused:

[sbscwest]

Tim Wise is hysterical and amazingly honest, especially for a white guy. I started listening to him several years ago on pacifica radio. I recommend you listen to his speech "White Like Me". Sometimes you feel like your the only white person that trys to keep it real and then along comes people like Tim Wise. Kudos for him speaking out to the so call privleged. -kwest

[wakeup804]

Check out this speech: AFL-CIO's Richard Trumka on Racism and Obama. One of the better speeches for sure.

Wake Up People!!!!!!!

[slyguy]

This article hit it on the head describing white privilege. And white Americans just don't want to recognize that fact. So please don't play games in addressing the discriminitory tactics that a black person have to put up with daily. God Bless Bill O'Reilly.

[njplanner]

This article hit it on the head describing white privilege. And white Americans just don't want to recognize that fact. So please don't play games in addressing the discriminitory tactics that a black person have to put up with daily. God Bless Bill O'Reilly.


There is privilege in every setting. If you go into a black owned store then you will see a majority of Black employees. Same for Latinos. When was the last time you encountered a white or black cook in a chinese restaurant?

Am I saying it doesn't exist? No that would be foolish, however as of 2005 statistics white americans make up 75% of the population so it would go to say that the appearance would be they get more benefits.

Craig

[Against Obama]

Just another way of saying that the "man" is keeping you down, right? Well, if your wonderful man Obama wins....who will you blame then? Quit making excuses! It isn't the white mans fault that some people are so damn lazy they won't even get a job, but of course you try to blame it on them. It is actually comical! Excuses, Excuses....GET OFF OF IT! GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF FOR ONCE!

[NCGirl1960]

So many interviews I have seen of black people who say they are voting for Obama, yet they won't say WHY?????? I did hear one girl on Baisden Radio Show say "He is Bold, Black, and Beautiful". Wow, what a reason to vote him in.

I hear them say "We need Change". Well, duh, you are just reading all of his little signs.

God help us if he is elected.

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!!

[jtree3303]

i love your show Micheal, but the bias that is shown is very disappointing! I have come to believe that blacks as a people with our monilitic way of just believing any thing we hear on T.V. , radio , or print media with out doing any research is appalling. i have a article that you should read and share with our people. i must tell you that i am a conservitive republican. but i also see the need for us to remain vigulant in our dealing with the white man as well as the powers that tell us that they are in our corner. I have writin to you more than once and i am under the belief that you would not want to debate some one with facts and not beliefs. thing that you say can not be back up with emprical data. nor is it law that the Dem. party is on the side of blacks. i know you are old enough to remember that the white men that were preventing us from attending schools or eating at certain place were democrats not republicans. i challange you to bring on people of color or any one who doesn't agree with your view and debate them or even take calls from brother like me who would gladly inform you of the real facts. i really commend what you have accomplish, but you are really doing our people a dissevice when talking about the issues with only your slang and baised point o f view. there are educated black with who you could debate but i know you won't. ( Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell,) are some that come to mind, i believe that you are a fair minded brother and believe that before the election you will do your own debate on the show that the idea you believe in can stand up to the test of critical thinking of your lisiners. with that being said i will sign off now and paste the article that i would love for you to read and for your lisiner to hear to let them decide with there own minds and not to be lead like sheep to slaughter.

Why Martin Luther King Was Republican
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It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.

During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.

Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tenn., after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

Given the circumstances of that era, it is understandable why Dr. King was a Republican. It was the Republicans who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks. Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's fist goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.

Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. President Lyndon Johnson could not have achieved passage of civil rights legislation without the support of Republicans.

Critics of Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater, who ran for President against Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Goldwater wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation.

Those who wrongly criticize Goldwater also ignore the fact that Johnson, in his 4,500 State of the Union Address delivered on Jan. 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only 35 words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights. Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's protest against the Vietnam War, Johnson referred to Dr. King as "that Nigger preacher."

Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.

Another former "Dixiecrat" is former Democrat Sen. Ernest Hollings, who put up the Confederate flag over the state Capitol when he was the governor of South Carolina. There was no public outcry when Democrat Sen. Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment," including the Civil War. Yet Democrats denounced then-Senate GOP leader Trent Lott for his remarks about Sen. Strom Thurmond (R.-S.C.). Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Byrd and Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched.

The 30-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party began in the 1970s with President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy," which was an effort on the part of Nixon to get Christians in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were still discriminating against their fellow Christians who happened to be black. Georgia did not switch until 2002, and some Southern states, including Louisiana, are still controlled by Democrats.

Today, Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Examples of how egregiously Democrats act to keep blacks in poverty are numerous.

After wrongly convincing black Americans that a minimum wage increase was a good thing, the Democrats on August 3 kept their promise and killed the minimum wage bill passed by House Republicans on July 29. The blockage of the minimum wage bill was the second time in as many years that Democrats stuck a legislative finger in the eye of black Americans. Senate Democrats on April 1, 2004, blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Clinton before he finally signed it. Since the welfare reform law expired in September 2002, Congress had passed six extensions, and the latest expired on June 30, 2004. Opposed by the Democrats are school choice opportunity scholarships that would help black children get out of failing schools and Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 years for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites).

Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.

In order to break the Democrats' stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party's economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.


*Please read and give me your take on this if you have the courage. Oh! I am a MaCain supporter. but not for the reason you believe. contact me and let debate the merits of you Obamas ideas against that of conservitive principles. Have a great day and i look fofrward to hearing from you

Jonathan Roundtree
ISI Foundation
645 Roslyn Street
Akron Ohio 44320

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Please know that "white privilege" applies to some, but NOT ALL whites.
Thank you.

[DIAMONDZZZ]

Guess who's not coming to dinner [/B]
September 28, 2008
by Roger Ebert

I do not like you, John McCain. My feeling has nothing to do with issues. It has to do with common courtesy. During the debate, you refused to look Barack Obama in the eye. Indeed, you refused to look at him at all. Even when the two of you shook hands at the start, you used your eyes only to locate his hand, and then gazed past him as you shook it.

Obama is my guy. If you are rude to him, you are rude to me. If you came to dinner at my house and refused to look at or speak with one of my guests, that would be bad manners and I would be offended. Same thing if I went to your house. During the debate, you were America's guest.[/B]

What was your problem? Do you hold this man in such contempt that you cannot bear to gaze upon him? Will you not even speak to him directly?
Do you think he doesn't have the right to be running for President?
Were you angry because after you said you wouldn't attend the debate, he said a President should be able to concern himself with two things at the same time? He was right. The proof is, you were there. Were you angry with him because he called your bluff?

During the debate, Jim Lehrer repeatedly called upon both candidates to speak directly to each other. Obama looked at you. He addressed you as "John," which as a fellow senator is his privilege. His body language was open. You stared straight ahead, or at Lehrer, or into space. Your jaw was clinched. You had a tight little smile, or a grimace, or a little shake of your head.

I had to do two things at once while watching the debate. I had to listen to what was being said. And I had to process your rigid and contemptuous behavior. If you were at a wedding and the father of the groom refused to look at or speak to the bride, how would that make you feel? Especially if you were the father of the bride?

You made a TV commercial showing the moments Obama agreed with you.
Everybody knows he did. Did his agreement show honesty, or weakness?
It is significant that you said it proved he was not ready to lead.
What is the better leadership quality: (1) Willingness to listen to your opponent, and keep an open mind? (2) Rigidly ignoring him? Which of the two of you better demonstrated the bipartisan spirit you say you represent? Was there anything he said that you agreed with? Could you have brought yourself to say so?

I'm not the only one who noticed your odd, hostile behavior. Just about everybody did. I'm sure many of your supporters must have sensed the tension. Before the debate, pundits were wondering if you might explode in a display of your famous temper. I think we saw that happen, all right, but it was an implosion. I have instructed my wife to exclude you from any future dinner parties.

WEBLINK TO ROBER EBERT'S PAGE. MCCAIN IS RACISM IN THE HIGHEST FORM!!!!!
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997

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[acuteman]

The best understanding of this phenomenon maintains a requirement for being responsibly committed to the truth of any given situation. Our white family knows that to be white is to be "in the club", and that to be black, is to be considered a "suspect". I can understand this however, because they remember the mistreatment of our people over generations, and expect that we, like they, would seek to exact a measure of revenge against them for this historically reprehensible truth.
To the subscribers to this type of "white privilege" thinking, (Hillary Clinton, McCain, Palin and others), we have to say "no more" to them by moving on through assumption of education, and a renewed sense of community involovement and guidance of our children and to become active in the governance of our society.
We all know the truth, so we can spit into the faces of liars by living acording to the strength that a truthful position demands.
One love.

[mike63]

For those of you that are still undecided about the presidential election check this out.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/39561-one-million-see-mccain-s-youtube-problem

[SweetGee]

I was just in the breakroom with two of my colleagues (1 white & 1 Chineese)and was shocked to find out that people in their neighborhoods received a CD in the mail about Muslims and all the dangerouse activities they get involved in and they could not figure out why the people in their neighborhood received such a hateful CD. Knowing how dirty the McCain campaign has been I immediatly explained to them my opinion. That in the days to come McCains campaign ads are going to target Obama as a muslim and they want you to be afraid of him so you won't vote for him.

[nitab62]

Although you say you are disgusted because the intelligence level in this country has fallen, yet your statements about vote Democrat because the Republicans don't care seem somewhat conflicting.
In a country that was started as a Republic (though most refer to it as Democratic, as does Obama and sometimes McCain), we have 2 parties. That should signal a problem but we as Black people follow the Dem when they haven't delivered a damn thing since Kennedy. He was assassinated if you remember because he was truly a threat to the establishment; the rest of them really have been jokes.
If you believe that Obama is going to raise the minimum wage, what will be the result? More people will lose their jobs; goods and services will go up so although the base goes up, so will everything else. Somehow, although we say we are intelligent, we can't seem to put 2+2 together to get to 4 but we believe the pols who tell us it is 5.
People in the world hate us because we want to tell other people what to do but we don't really know anything and continue to make bad decisions in this country, even when against other countries that have been around for centuries. We don't learn from history and the problems we have, we created and want to blame everyone but ourselves.
You might blame Bush for some things in this country but you also need to blame every person who got a house with a variable rate or interest only, a new Jag or BM'er who doesn't own a house, CC debt out of control and those of us who think getting our nails and hair done is more important than health care. Don't start me on the ones who are still getting high or drunk on the weekend but not taking care of business. We can't blame everyone else and not take some of the blame ourselves.

"Will be forced to vote for the least evil, Obama or McCain. Neither a great choice!!"


In all honesty, the intelligence level of this country has sunk to a new low. We should all be ashamed of ourselves. That man Henry that you had on the show is just a prime example of the millions of other Americans who have this same mentality and intelligence level. I honestly believe we are seriously outnumbered by people like Henry when it comes to this. It is a shame, really, and it makes me ashamed to call myself an American when other countries look at us and view us as a whole for the stupidity that goes on.

It is really no wonder that so many countries hate the US.

To the remaining American people with intelligence and COMMON SENSE: We need to step up and take this country back and not see it go to Hell like Bush has taken it to. We don't need a person like McCain who actually supports Bush despite all of the s--- he's done to make our lives even more miserable after 8 years. Obama is going to be the one to bring us all out of this.

Put the stupid racisism aside! I can't believe people would rather see this country go to hell than to vote for an INTELLIGENT Black man! If you want to stop working for minimum wage (or stop jobhunting altogether due to Bush's crap) then vote Democrat. The majority of Americans today are middle-class and below. Republicans don't give a s--- about the middle-class, nor do they give a s--- about minorities! It's all about money for them -- making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Is living in a cardboard box the only way people will finally get some sense knocked into them? Because that's what it's eventually going to boil down to at the rate the economy keeps going.

OBAMA 08!!!

[Beakersloco]

Does anyone seen this article

Wal-Mart Warns employees of Democratic Win

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121755649066303381.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news

I just had this forwarded to me ..... interesting article. This is a free country and who a person votes for is there business ... but its wrong to use a persons employment to get them to vote for a particular person which is in my opinion what they are attempting to do.

[nitab62]

I understand your article on White Privilege (WP) and while I don't disagree, I am in a different place being a black female.
As the WP has given you many advantages, we have the black privilege (BP) as well.
The BP has given us athletes that are incredibly stupid. We rape, murder and do drugs and get away with it. We do have politicians who have done drugs, been involved in murder, corruption and were radical racists and were not only re-elected but folks still admired (Barry, Kwame & Street). You know a people have arrived when they can be just as crooked, corrupt and criminal as the folks they say put them in bondage.
I remember hearing Chris Rock say, he knew baseball had overcome the race barrier when they had just as many mediocre black players as white.
I don't think we can still use the race card when we have a Black man running for the most important office in the country. We do not even seem to care that he has no experience, Black folks are voting for him just because he is Black. We don't care that he changes his story; is willing to take people's money and that he really is saying we all should depend on government and should be on welfare. Of course, that is in line with people not caring about what goes on around them that is not spoon fed from the mainstream media.
I thank my God and my parents for teaching me how to think for myself; (a trait I sometime doubt some of my other 6 siblings have lost).

I knew the market meltdown was coming; the financial papers pointed to it. What were we doing; getting ready for football; having the last rites of summer and in general living life with no regard to what is really going on in the world. We can blame Bush though; I am sure it was his fault and not all of the other laws put into place during the Clinton adminstration (I actually voted for the guy and might again. Doesn't mean he and the Democratic congress, didn't screw it up for us. then again, Jimmy started the demise in 76)

Don't get me wrong; I see injustices everyday because folks are white they get a bye but in reality, we can do a couple of things: we can revolt, we can riot or we can address the issues head on when they arise but we don't. We rest on our laurels; we refuse to not be inconvenience or take a stand. Our choice, not the white man's.
Just one woman's opinion.

It's more than white priviledge - its the ongoing culture of white supremcy and black complacency that allows the exist of unearned white priviledge. see article below.:eek:

UNEARNED WHITE PRIVILEGE PART I
>
>White people need to acknowledge benefits of unearned privilege
>
>By Robert Jensen
>
>
>BALTIMORE: Here's what white privilege sounds like: I'm sitting in
>my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very
>conservative white student about affirmative action in college
>admissions, which he opposes and I support. The student says he
>wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone.
>I ask him whether he thinks that being white has advantages in the
>United States.
>
>Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world
>run mostly by white people?
>
>Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call
>white privilege.
>
>So, if we live in a world of white privilege - unearned white
>privilege - how does that affect your notion of a level playing
>field? I asked.
>
>He paused for a moment and said,
>
>"That really doesn't matter."
>
>That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white
>privilege: the privilege to acknowledge that you have unearned
>privilege but to ignore what it means.
>
>That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism
>with students. It drove home the importance of confronting the dirty
>secret that we white people carry around with us every day: in a
>world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think
>much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of
>affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my
>goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white
>privilege.
>
>White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white
>supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not
>they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but
>such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other
>aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other
>kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white
>privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has
>affected me.
>
>I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern
>European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the
>whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white
>world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because
>I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the
>state's only numerically significant non-white population, American
>Indians.
>
>I have struggled to resist that racist training and the racism of my
>culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely
>trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the
>institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix"
>myself, one thing never changes - I walk through the world with
>white privilege.
>
>What does that mean?
>
>Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university,
>apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening.
>Almost all of the people evaluating me look like me - they are
>white. They see in me a reflection of themselves - and in a racist
>world, that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them.
>I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut
>some slack. After all, I'm white.
>
>My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white.
>
>Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is
>saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are
>minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As
>Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action
>policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible
>that at the end of that time the university could have as many
>mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors.
>That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but it's a simple
>observation that white privilege has meant that scores of
>second-rate white professors have slid through the system because
>their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well
>as on gender, class and ideology.
>
>Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a
>bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real
>people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I
>know, because I am one of them. I am not a genius - as I like to
>say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching
>full time for six years and I've published a reasonable amount of
>scholarship.
>
>Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure,
>and some of it, I would argue, is worth reading. I worked hard, and
>I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in a
>while, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really
>accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel
>guilty.
>
>But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone.
>I benefited from among other things, white privilege. That doesn't
>mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would
>never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my
>life, I have soaked up benefits for being white.
>
>All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people.
>
>I was accepted for graduate school by white people.
>
>And I was hired for a teaching position by the predominantly white
>University of Texas, headed by a white president, in a college
>headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman
>that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.
>
>I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there.
>But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe
>that "merit" as defined by white people in a white country, alone
>got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard
>work, I got a significant boost from white privilege.
>
>At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that,
>because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely
>to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic
>American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the
>culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me
>to those myths.
>
> Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I
>didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had
>more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't
>heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.
>
>I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't
>special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take
>pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are
>stacked to my benefit. Until we let go of the fiction that people
>have complete control over their fate - that we can will ourselves
>to be anything we choose - then we will live with that fear.
>
>White privilege is not something I get to decide whether I want to
>keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man
>and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am
>benefiting from white privilege.
>
>There is not space here to list all the ways in which white
>privilege plays out in our daily lives, but is clear that I will
>carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased
>from this society.
>
>
>-- Dawn/LAT-WP News Service (c) Baltimore Sun

[Denise44]

White Privlege extends into every aspect of our culture. Paulsen went to President Bush to get a bail out plan passed, then choose an administrator of the $750,000 billion bailout plan from one of the failing companies, better yet one of the major companies that attributed to this economic crisis.

We are taught to work hard. My parent have told me I had to be twice as good as them (white people). I went through life not really understanding until you accomplish higher degrees, outstanding job performance and acknowledged by peers as being exceptional, and you still are not qualified for the next logical position in an organization that you have demonstrated your ability to over ten years.

I fear for the younger ones in our communities that think they are privilege just as their classmates. I talk with my thirteen year old cousin and try to get her to understand that nothing comes to us without a price, a sacrifice and hard work.

Now as the election approaches, has no one ever noticed that Senator McCain always follows what Senator Obama has said. White privilege always McCain to steal Senator Obama's ideas and words and still get credit for being first. Forget that Senator Obama is articulate, educate and diplomatic in his thought processes in order to reach good decisions as oppose to McCain.

[Zuri2005]

Mike,
I am amazed at what people will get all worked up about. They'll get all bent out of shape because a qualified "Black Man" who has the best interest of all people. Who desires to put this country on the right track and make it work for all races and genders. But, it's amazing how their not up in arms about people loosing their homes, crime in every city in this country, paying for gas thru the nose, the cost of food and my favorite the republicans lying, cheating and stealing.
First it was taking this country from the indians, then they went to Africa to steal mothers & fathers from their families to bring them here to buy & sell as slaves.The last election they stole that too.
America better wake up and smell the stinch coming from Washington. Their taking the shirt off your back ..putting McCain in office he'll make sure he takes the drawers off your @$$.. ...then for sure we will all be @$$'d out!
BUNCH OF LYING, STEALING low life SOB's. I am getting to the point ...that I am hating white people. Just like they think we all look alike or that we all are stupid. Well, I'm starting to think they all lie, cheat and steal.

[Vsaxena]

You down with Obama for President? YAH, you know me!

Anyway. Some Repug on craigslist posted this:

"I guess if you're stupid you could invest in bonds or cds. Some though, invest in rentals, here and abroad. Some move their money to overseas accounts keeping it safe from over taxation. Look dumb ass, it's people like me that keep the money moving. We buy houses, cars, boats, vacations, etc. We provide start up capital for small business, we own businesses that keep you employed. Let you messiah re distribute our wealth. When the dust settles you will be the one doing the paying. You know 95% of you will not see your taxes raised, until we pass that raise on to you. By the way, know thank you on the relocation idea. I served my country and earned my place here so that Lemmings like yourself can be free t make your bad decisions. And that would be Captain asshole to you, dumb ass."

Here is my reply:

Dear Captain Asshole,

Look, you pea-brained Neanderthal, we are fed up with egotistical brats like you governing our nation. Your harebrained philosophy solely centers on building wealth, acquiring power, and pursuing materialism. Spirituality, compassion, and tolerance are concepts entirely unperceivable by a blind and delusional narcissistic fellow such as yourself. Kudos that you served in the military, but that does not excuse your lack of sympathy for the average America’s daily trials and tribulations.

Perhaps you are exceptionally bright and managed to achieve a successful career in financial management. Realize that not everybody is either as lucky or intellectually inclined as you; I myself failed college Accounting two times in a row. Due to limited intellectual ability and extreme social ineptitude (high-functioning autism), I am primarily restricted to low-wage at-home jobs that barely pay my bills. Nonetheless, this certainly does not mean that I do not work just as hard as you.

Sadly, however, elitists like you assume that anybody not on your level is a despicable low-life bum unwilling to put forth an honest effort. You then utilize this faulty logic to rationalize the purported need to sacrifice the common good in favor of the greedy pursuits of the upper class. Finally, you claim that you will ‘make it rain’ for us dim-witted normal-lites who populate the lower stratum of society. Do you really expect us to buy into this bullshit? We may be too dumb to get rich like you, but we sure as heck be smart enuf to kno that u’z fulla’ shit, you old ass greasy bunk bitch!

Furthermore, may I ask why the corporate fat-cats at AIG wasted nearly $440,000 on a fancy vacation right after receiving their bailout? Instead of catering to the needs of the thousands who lost their life savings, the selfish executives at AIG opted to pursue pedicures and manicures at a lavish retreat. Indeed they “keep the money moving”, but they keep it moving in THEIR direction, not ours. Redistribution of wealth is not only required, but it is the RIGHT THING to do. Ethically and morally speaking, the greater good will always supercede the gluttonous needs of the few dingbats who reside at the top of society.

In conclusion, Abraham Maslow proposed that for individuals to attain self-actualization, they must first fulfill four basic sets of needs: survival (food, sex), safety (employment, residence), love (friends, family), and esteem (respect). These needs begin from the bottom and rise up like a pyramid. Similarly, I propose that for society to function correctly, it must follow a pattern analogous to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. For wealth to trickle from the top to the bottom, society would instead have to function as a cone. This is an unrealistic expectation that has clearly been proven not to work. When you distribute wealth to the bottom tier of society, it empowers people to better themselves and achieve self-actualization, thereby improving society. It’s as simple as that.

Sincerely,
V Saxena

[patricknelson]

I printed this article and took it to work and placed on the desk of several of my white colleagues and let me tell you it was one hell of day just listening to these people having a fit and saying that conveniently none of them sees the world as described.


THIS IS YOUR NATION ON WHITE PRIVILEGE

September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “fuckin’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their fuckin' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot shit” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while if you're black and believe in reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), you're a dangerous and mushy liberal who isn't fit to safeguard American institutions.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto is “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college and the fact that she lives near Russia, you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is when you can take nearly twenty-four hours to get to a hospital after beginning to leak amniotic fluid, and still be viewed as a great mom whose commitment to her children is unquestionable, and whose "next door neighbor" qualities make her ready to be VP, while if you're a black candidate for president and you let your children be interviewed for a few seconds on TV, you're irresponsibly exploiting them.

White privilege is being able to give a 36-minute speech in which you talk about lipstick and make fun of your opponent, while laying out no substantive policy positions on any issue at all, and still manage to be considered a legitimate candidate, while a black person who gives an hour speech the week before, in which he lays out specific policy proposals on several issues, is still criticized for being too vague about what he would do if elected.

White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to go to a prestigious prep school, then to Yale and Harvard Business School (George W. Bush), and still be seen as an "average guy," while being black, going to a prestigious prep school, then Occidental College, then Columbia, and then Harvard Law, makes you "uppity" and a snob who probably looks down on regular folks.

White privilege is being able to graduate near the bottom of your college class (McCain), or graduate with a C average from Yale (W.), and that's OK, and you're still cut out to be president, but if you're black and you graduate near the top of your class from Harvard Law, you can't be trusted to make good decisions in office.

White privilege is being able to dump your first wife after she's disfigured in a car crash so you can take up with a multi-millionaire beauty queen (who you then go on to call the c-word in public) and still be thought of as a man of strong family values, while if you're black and married for nearly 20 years to the same woman, your family is viewed as un-American and your gestures of affection for each other are called "terrorist fist bumps."

White privilege is when you can develop a pain-killer addiction, having obtained your drug of choice illegally like Cindy McCain, go on to beat that addiction, and everyone praises you for being so strong, while being a black guy who smoked pot a few times in college and never became an addict means people will wonder if perhaps you still get high, and even ask whether or not you may have sold drugs at some point.

White privilege is being able to sing a song about bombing Iran and still be viewed as a sober and rational statesman, with the maturity to be president, while being black and suggesting that the U.S. should speak with other nations, even when we have disagreements with them, makes you dangerously naive and immature.

White privilege is being able to say that you hate "gooks" and "will always hate them," and yet, you aren't a racist because, ya know, you were a POW, so you're entitled to your hatred, while being black and noting that black anger about racism is understandable, given the history of your country, makes you a dangerous bigot.

White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism and an absent father is apparently among the "lesser adversities" faced by other politicians, as Sarah Palin explained in her convention speech.

And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

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I just wanted to respond to this past week's news events about how the McCain campaign has gotten completely off course and almost dangerous.

What's really scary about all of this is what I've heard some of these McCain supporters yell about. One guy said that 'he wouldn't let his unborn baby live in a country ruled by Obama' and another said that 'he was an Arab.' To me, that says "well, they must think all Arabs are Terrorists." Which is certainly far from the truth. And even if he was an Arab (speaking rhetorically), SO WHAT? Race does NOT automatically make someone 'evil.' So I guess I can turn around and say that "all Caucasian people are Nazis?" These are some of the most prejudice and ignorant things I've ever heard. It not only makes the Republican and Conservative parties look bad when you see this sort of thing, but it's making McCain look really bad when you have ignorant and prejudice people like that supporting him. Why is all of this so reminiscent of the civil rights issues we had back in the 50s and 60s??

It's good that the campaigns are getting competitive, but it needs to be done in a respectful manner toward other people. Yes, I don't like Bush, but I'm not going to turn around and say "off with Bush's head!" or "Bush is a Terrorist!" Yes, the leadership of the Bush administration has sent this country spiraling downwards and I don't like him too much; however, I still respect him as a Human being, unlike what these people have been doing with Obama.

People need to get out of the 50s and 60s and move on to the 21st century. It's time for a change and Obama is going to do it. People are so afraid of change that they would rather live in misery which makes no sense whatsoever. I'm sorry, but this is my country also, and I refuse to take another 4 years of Bush-like policies where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the Middle-Class is all but non-existant.

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I understand completely that racism exists in our country. Anyone who doesn't believe that is gullible. However, I did not know there was so much reverse racism, which is just as bad, until this election. I have heard much more racially toned messages from black Americans about Senator McCain than from white Americans about Senator Obama. But, I am not crazy either. I know there are white Americans who will not vote for Senator Obama because he is a black man just as there are black Americans who will not vote for Senator McCain because he is white. How logical is that? I hope that my children or their children will be able to live in a land without any type of racism. On the show today, Michael talked about seeing color. I do believe that people see color first but for me it is just a characteristic, just like having blond hair is a characteristic of a white person. It is just who they are and everyone should be proud of who they are. Ultimately, we were all made in the image of God and are all his children. I was very lucky. I grew up in a neighborhood that was very diverse and had parents who taught me not to hate anyone, especially someone who was different from myself. I know that people can change and do not have to be a product of their environment because my Grandmother was very prejudiced against anyone of color and my Mother is the very opposite. So, it can happen. My belief is that anyone who dies hating someone because of the color of their skin will not get into the gates of Heaven. How can we say that we love God, whom we have never met, yet hate someone that we have met simply because of the color of their skin.

With all of that said, I will be voting for Obama and am not afraid to tell anyone. As a matter of fact, I have an Obama sticker in the back window of my car and have an Obama sign in my front lawn. When my Mother saw it, she insisted that I get her one too. I have to honest with you. I do not think that he has the political experience needed but was smart enough to pick a running mate who is experienced. I think before his first run as President is over, he will have all of the necessary experience needed to finish out his second term as President. I am very confident that he will win this election. We need change and he is the person who can bring that change. But, it is going to take more than one term for him to do the things that need to be done. We have to all get out there and vote.

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This article seems quite one sided. For instance, why has he not mentioned that Obama, by his own admission, has previously benefited from affirmative action?

Also, in relation to college scores, Bush, Gore, Kerry & McCain have had their records scrutinised. Why doesn't the press demand to see Obama's college scores? I suspect it is because they do not want to appear racist.

Also, would Obama have received the support he did from African American voters and white liberals if he was just another white candidate?

In terms of white privilege generally, how does Wise explain the fact that Asian students outperform whites & have higher graduation rates (same in NZ & Australia). How can this happen if the system is so racist?

[SaxnFlutman]

This article seems quite one sided. For instance, why has he not mentioned that Obama, by his own admission, has previously benefited from affirmative action?
Why? As you said yourself, Obama's admitted it, and is not hiding it, as say, Clarence Thomas.. And what's wrong with the fact he did? Isn't it set up for people exactly like him? Someone without the bucks or family legacy to help get him in (like Bush & McCain), but who is certainly qualified (again, moreso than Bush & McCain)....

Also, in relation to college scores, Bush, Gore, Kerry & McCain have had their records scrutinised. Why doesn't the press demand to see Obama's college scores? I suspect it is because they do not want to appear racist.
What do you think you'd find? You think he became the first black head of the Harvard Law Review with the grades of a George Bush or John McCain?
I think it's not racist they are afraid of appearing, how about "pointless"?

Also, would Obama have received the support he did from African American voters and white liberals if he was just another white candidate?
Yes, definitely, and why not? You don't think a white man making the speech he did at the 2004 Convention would have made waves? Or that someone as brilliant, even-keeled, articulate, and able to bring people of all ethnicities together, in other words, an honest to goodness, "uniter, not a divider" who was white, would be just an also-ran? He's obviously the best candidate, running the best campaign, since Clinton. And if he were white, it would only have made it that much easier. I think this spin that somehow a black man, with "a funny sounding name", (in fact for many, far worse than "funny sounding") has had an EASIER time getting this far, in America?

In terms of white privilege generally, how does Wise explain the fact that Asian students outperform whites & have higher graduation rates (same in NZ & Australia). How can this happen if the system is so racist?
I don't think you quite understand how that racism is reflected. It's not that the educational system is itself is out to get black folk, aside from the lack of books, materials & extracurricular activities afforded those in wealthier areas. No, it's that the accumulated effects of centuries of enslavement, exclusion, & discrimination, as well as the current criminal "justice" system have taken its toll.

Whites having had generations of family members with advanced education, professional careers, etc, need only follow along the already well-tread pathway. When I was growing up, altho not the best of areas & schools (south side of Chicago, actually Mike's old neighborhood), my friends & I, being white, were just EXPECTED to do well in school, and go on to college. It was the "flow" we just went with, unlike many black kids coming from households just barely keeping it together, not many models around them of the perks a good education brings, and so for them, they had to almost swim upstream, without the unquestionable support & push we received from our parents.

As for "white privilege", well that was very easy to see, for me, growing up in the city. If any black teens got in any trouble with the law, it usually meant getting caught up into the system, court, convictions, time served, a record, and pretty much no more chance of that good college, much less becoming a doctor or lawyer....

However, for us, we weren't scrutinized everywhere we went, driving, walking around stores, at the beach, etc. Then, if we did actually do something wrong, and got caught, there was a far greater chance we would be let off with a warning, or cops would call in our parents, and "let them handle it", and I can't remember any of my friends even being arrested, much less going to court or jail.

Now, my friends did just the same stuff, if not worse, than our black classmates, drugs, drinking, driving high, even shoplifting at nice clothing stores (not me), using fake credit cards, & continued doing these things through college. However, none of that felonious behavior ever resulted in arrests or convictions, and today they are all well-to-do lawyers, doctors, professors, etc., (well, I ended up a saxophone player).
Meanwhile, many other classmates of mine, those without the privilege of "whiteness", ended up in and out of prison, working dead-end jobs, or dead.....

Now take that experience, expand it over at least the last four decades, & you can see how it would have a devastating affect on black family life, and the neighborhoods of most of our cities. When you are effectively shut out of most legal ways to make a living, you are almost forced to "do what you have to", to support yourself, much less a family.

As for why Asians may get better grades than whites, their experience in America, especially those fairly new to the country, have not had anywhere even close to that of black people in America. Those kids have parents that had to be quite ambitious & resourceful, just to get over here, and they, like every other immigrant group when they first arrive, expect their kids to do well in school, push them if they have to, and do not let up. So, it's not like they are just genetically wired to be "smarter" than anyone else (I lived in Hawaii a number of years, and believe me, there are plenty of Asians who don't fit the brainy stereotype), they just bust their butts in school, often with their parents cracking the whip, and often missing out on much of the socializing the other kids get to roll with...

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A must read!!!! First wife out of sight, how shallow can one man be?

McCain likes to illustrate his moral fiber by referring to his five
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What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? And was never given a command position.

What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

Educational Background:

Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.

:confused:

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you call me:
"redneck"
"Hillbilly"
"Slaker"
"Cracker"
"Honkey"
"Whitey"
"Gringo"
"Sage"
and you think it's OK.









But when I call you:
jungle bunny
spear chunker
coon
wet back
jiggaboo
porch monkey
sand nigger
rag head
towelhead
Camel Jockey
Gook
Spook
NIGGER
KIKE
slant eyes
or Chink
you call me a racist.








--You have the United Negro College Fund.








--You have Martin Luther King Day.








--You have Black History Month.








--You have Cesar Chavez Day.








--You have Yom Hashoah
--You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
--You have the NAACP.








--You have BET.









--If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.








--If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.








--If we had white history month... we'd be racist.








--If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.








--If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.








--In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.








--Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.








--You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.








I am white.







and
i am proud.








But, you call me a racist.








Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Now watch, I'll be racist for reposting this
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Black people (I do not like the term "African American")
celebrate their heritage and ancestry by ensuring that he had some holidays or days to help us not forget and acknowledge what blacks encountered.
You need to read history books and turn off the television.

I did not know I was "black" until I was 8 years old. I used to attend a Catholic School in Washington DC and when I moved to Montgomery County MD, which is the richest county in MD I found out the hard way. Race was never spoken of, not even by my parents.

I am not racist by any means but you can say what you want to about what you can be called and what we don't prefer to be called but you need to know that Black people did not get here by choice. You also need to know that SOME white people don't have any black friends and to be honest maybe you/they should get some.

If you want to get down to it, blacks have black history month but whites have the other 11.
The United Negro College Fund exists to help blacks get ahead. Whites are ALREADY AHEAD OF BLACKS and in a lot of cases it is just because they are white.

EVERYONE has MLK day-not just blacks, now just because the day was declared a holiday doesn't mean it is a BLACK holiday. MLK wanted to see happen what is currently happening- a little more equality for blacks and other minorities. That should have been a holiday years ago.

Blacks have BET huh,

Whites have MTV, Country Music, VH1, if you had WET-then so be it. Who gives a damn? Why don't you start that?

Whites have the organization to help whites get ahead-it's called the United States Government.

You do have a college fund to help whites-it's called your Rich parents.
Did you know that when colleges or schools have a white and a black candidate and they are equally capable on paper to attend the school that 9 times out of 10, they choose the latter.

Whites do march for their race-it's called the KKK.

Whites don't have to "Make up" clubs, you already had them, it's just that the rest of minorities feel that their personal heritage is being left out by whites, that is why any other race except whites will begin clubs to enable themselves to speak about what is on their minds with the only people who could EVER UNDERSTAND what problems, issues, or encounters they have endured.

White PRIDE already exists, you don't need to say it. It's there already.

Be white, be proud, no one is trying to take that away from you, but the rest of us would like a pot to piss in.

Nicole you have got to be one of the most ignorant people for writing this and I am stupid to write you back because you obviously are living in this bubble and do not see the bigger picture, but what is that exactly? I'll tell you, this is your way of trying to belittle blacks for celebrating one another, we are not targeting whites by celebrating our "Blackness". Have you noticed that blacks come in all shades of brown? This is because of a huge mingling of the races over time.
I can only write about blackness because that is what I am. I cannot speak for any other heritage.

Nicole I have white friends. They have been very very very good to me and in a lot of cases-I'd say 8 out of ten times they have been better to me than my black ones.

Do you know what blacks, Hispanics, or Jews have faced? Try reading some literature and educate yourself so that you don't ever again have to write some derogatory jargon again because of your lack of being capable of living a well-rounded life. For the record, when I was in school, the history books left out what blacks brought to the table in as far as their contributions to AMERICAN society in the past, present and future. So, I had to take an "African American" history class to find out. If you read those books, any articles or publications hopefully you'll won't be back on this forum again subjecting readers like me to your inability to wrap your head around the contributions brought to ALL AMERICANS of ALL races.
;)

you call me:
"redneck"
"Hillbilly"
"Slaker"
"Cracker"
"Honkey"
"Whitey"
"Gringo"
"Sage"
and you think it's OK.









But when I call you:
jungle bunny
spear chunker
coon
wet back
jiggaboo
porch monkey
sand nigger
rag head
towelhead
Camel Jockey
Gook
Spook
NIGGER
KIKE
slant eyes
or Chink
you call me a racist.








--You have the United Negro College Fund.








--You have Martin Luther King Day.








--You have Black History Month.








--You have Cesar Chavez Day.








--You have Yom Hashoah
--You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
--You have the NAACP.








--You have BET.









--If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.








--If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.








--If we had white history month... we'd be racist.








--If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.








--If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.








--In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.








--Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.








--You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.








I am white.







and
i am proud.








But, you call me a racist.








Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Now watch, I'll be racist for reposting this
So what? no-one will re-post this for fear of being called racist if you agree w/ this than repost saying"i'm not RACIST but its true

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To Sunshine247 -
The Merriam Webster definition of a privilege is as follows:
"a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor ; especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office"
It states nothing about a privilege being earned. As a white woman, I certainly agree that we are privileged in ways that most Whites don't even spend two seconds thinking about. I know I certainly didn't until I began questioning things around me.

We rarely ever have to walk into a store, restaurant, public venue or arena, college campus, etc and be conscious of the fact that we are one of a few who look different than everyone else. If you do experience this feeling, you've most likely 1) put yourself in this position or 2) don't do it day in, day out, every hour, every day.

As a white person, we don't have the stigma of stereotypes hanging over us.

We don't have to battle the inferiority complex that hovers over a group of people since slavery (forced on the people of this country because Whites simply told EVERYONE that Blacks were inferior and "so it was"). If anyone disagrees with me, I challenge someone to explain to me why Blacks were reluctant to support Obama in the beginning. That's for another post, however.

The list goes on and on and on. We do live with invisible privileges, and I say invisible because MOST WHITES DON'T SEE THEM. And it's the most difficult thing to explain to them that they ARE privileged.

It would be a wonderful world where we could all just "be real to ourselves" and think that it was ONLY "a few ignorant individuals"...but it's not. Most "mature" Whites float through life doing what they want, changing course, taking advantages here...taking them there...and never having to think twice "this could be a once in a lifetime opportunity" (unless the win the lottery at age 74 of course, but they'll probably win again next year!). I believe mature Blacks have to double guess all choices they make and wonder if they'll get the same or better opportunities in the future.

[jmt014]

To Sunshine247 -
The Merriam Webster definition of a privilege is as follows:
"a right or immunity granted as a peculiar benefit, advantage, or favor ; especially : such a right or immunity attached specifically to a position or an office"
It states nothing about a privilege being earned. As a white woman, I certainly agree that we are privileged in ways that most Whites don't even spend two seconds thinking about. I know I certainly didn't until I began questioning things around me.

We rarely ever have to walk into a store, restaurant, public venue or arena, college campus, etc and be conscious of the fact that we are one of a few who look different than everyone else. If you do experience this feeling, you've most likely 1) put yourself in this position or 2) don't do it day in, day out, every hour, every day.

As a white person, we don't have the stigma of stereotypes hanging over us.

We don't have to battle the inferiority complex that hovers over a group of people since slavery (forced on the people of this country because Whites simply told EVERYONE that Blacks were inferior and "so it was"). If anyone disagrees with me, I challenge someone to explain to me why Blacks were reluctant to support Obama in the beginning. That's for another post, however.

The list goes on and on and on. We do live with invisible privileges, and I say invisible because MOST WHITES DON'T SEE THEM. And it's the most difficult thing to explain to them that they ARE privileged.

It would be a wonderful world where we could all just "be real to ourselves" and think that it was ONLY "a few ignorant individuals"...but it's not. Most "mature" Whites float through life doing what they want, changing course, taking advantages here...taking them there...and never having to think twice "this could be a once in a lifetime opportunity" (unless the win the lottery at age 74 of course, but they'll probably win again next year!). I believe mature Blacks have to double guess all choices they make and wonder if they'll get the same or better opportunities in the future.

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[RK77]

It is terribly unfortunate that Baisden refuses to allow us to use this forum to hold open discussions starting our own threads and reflecting the topics of interest to us.

This is ESPECIALLY true in light of his desire to open biracial discussions --- to have an audience that moves forward and exchanges thoughts and ideas.

The I See Color format is EXTREMELY limiting making it more difficult to see all discussions that are going on or even find much of what is being said.

The other mingle city endeavors seem to be (judging from the crap emails I keep receiving) meat markets for those looking for a date.

I am not looking for a date. I am looking to discuss and exchange thoughts and ideas and articles and information that is critical to us moving forward as a nation.

THIS format is by far preferable because it allows the upload and linking of information of various formats. It allows people to check in and get an overview of all who are present and posting and what comments they might have on a topic.

I BEG the admin here to unlock the usage of these forums to allow people to start their own threads (and thus their own discussions).

Create categories like (forum suggestions included)

Political Discourse
Election 2008
Heads up - You local politics at work
On Nation - National Politics at work
World Politics
Current News
Media Watch
The Legal System at Work
Healthcare and it's Financing
Black History
US Slavery and it's issues
Jim Crow then and now
Unsung Heroes
Affirmative Action
Black Women in History
Other unknown tidbits of interest
Education
Early education issues - K-12
Suburban Struggles
College and moving on
Employment
Leisure - for idol chatter
The Corner Bar
Music
Photo galleries
Need a laugh?



Anyway--- I think you get the gist.......The OVERWELMING point is once you lay down the structure you need to let people create the threads under the forums in each category! Right now you have forums and topics that it is more than apparent people do not care to participate in.

Chatting is not for those who want to share an article or a video they run across.

Blogging is for those who have something they want to unload and MAYBE entertain comments about.

THIS is the format for exchanges of information and ideas. Being able to quote what you are responding to and being able to track an entire exchange is important.

Please reconsider how you are using this site.

I have traveled to Mingle City sites and I have seen the I See Color site they are not going to lend themselves to information exchanges like this board will.

I regularly visit a site called Political Groove and I can promise you that within 24 hours we had more information about Palin there than did the press.

That site has background groups that can work on projects and it lends itself to building a bonded community of thinkers and doers. It also has an arcade for relaxation. Every individual can blog there and there are social networking capacities that can be taken advantage of.

ALSO--- On my vBulletin powered site (which exists solely as a campaign tool for Obama) I added a chat with multiple channels that will let several chats go on at once and a library that allows for the storage of reference tools for everyone to use.

There are also audio uploads that allow people to play music from the boards and digg and other sharing integrations that can be used.

Moreover, by changing skins etc you can get a very unique appearance.

But even if all you want to do is encourage discussions --- this is a great format that because the posters are locked out of starting threads is simply going to waste!

Thanks for your consideration!

[RK77]

Black people (I do not like the term "African American")
celebrate their heritage and ancestry by ensuring that he had some holidays or days to help us not forget and acknowledge what blacks encountered.
You need to read history books and turn off the television.

That is a preference. Not all "black people" are BLACK so the term becomes quite misleading. In fact, the beauty of our communities is that we look like EVERYONE in the world! We cover ALL bases!

What have you presumed that people don't read their history books as well as celebrate the holidays?

I did not know I was "black" until I was 8 years old. I used to attend a Catholic School in Washington DC and when I moved to Montgomery County MD, which is the richest county in MD I found out the hard way. Race was never spoken of, not even by my parents.

Perhaps, you might want to read a little yourself. Were you to take a moment or two you might learn that racial identity is something that comes into play with ALL children at about the time that you developed yours---you were only a tad slow really.

Here is a some info that may help you understand just how lacking in significance your remark actually is!

Racial Identity Development Theories (http://books.google.com/books?id=_hcurFqnQioC&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388&dq=Early+development+-+racial+identity&source=web&ots=YRda4n0Xxh&sig=x14aR3xDHWEGBZf0-Sk7HGjsx6E&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA389,M1)


I am not racist by any means but you can say what you want to about what you can be called and what we don't prefer to be called but you need to know that Black people did not get here by choice. You also need to know that SOME white people don't have any black friends and to be honest maybe you/they should get some.

Why?

First of all "black friends" are not on sale at a shop somewhere for whites to go "get some".

Second, african americans (blacks) are not monolithic. Quite the contrary. Would you suggest that SOME white people collect blacks from a variety of different backgrounds in order to understand ----black people?

Third, those motivated, aware or inquisitive enough to benefit from "having black friends" would be as likely to benefit from a variety of alternative sources. They may well not need first hand interaction to be enlightened.

If you want to get down to it, blacks have black history month but whites have the other 11.

Last time I checked blacks were still citizens of the United States of America. Black history is mere a subset of the history of this nation. Your statement would suggest that you see this quite differently and would certainly seem to contradict your assertion that we should not be referred to as African Americans.

Moreover, you seem to be woefully unaware of the myriad of holidays that exist for a variety of other ethnic groups AND often for local areas of this nation.

The United Negro College Fund exists to help blacks get ahead. Whites are ALREADY AHEAD OF BLACKS and in a lot of cases it is just because they are white.

Jesus! There are literally HUNDREDS of different college funds with a vast number of different focuses and purposes! The United Negro College Fund is just one of many AND for that matter, it is only one of many of those available to "blacks"!

Are you SURE you have read ANY of those history books you so snidely recommended for others??

EVERYONE has MLK day-not just blacks, now just because the day was declared a holiday doesn't mean it is a BLACK holiday. MLK wanted to see happen what is currently happening- a little more equality for blacks and other minorities. That should have been a holiday years ago.

Blacks have BET huh,

Whites have MTV, Country Music, VH1, if you had WET-then so be it. Who gives a damn? Why don't you start that?

Whites have the organization to help whites get ahead-it's called the United States Government.

You do have a college fund to help whites-it's called your Rich parents.
Did you know that when colleges or schools have a white and a black candidate and they are equally capable on paper to attend the school that 9 times out of 10, they choose the latter.

Whites do march for their race-it's called the KKK.

Whites don't have to "Make up" clubs, you already had them, it's just that the rest of minorities feel that their personal heritage is being left out by whites, that is why any other race except whites will begin clubs to enable themselves to speak about what is on their minds with the only people who could EVER UNDERSTAND what problems, issues, or encounters they have endured.

White PRIDE already exists, you don't need to say it. It's there already.

Be white, be proud, no one is trying to take that away from you, but the rest of us would like a pot to piss in.

Nicole you have got to be one of the most ignorant people for writing this and I am stupid to write you back because you obviously are living in this bubble and do not see the bigger picture, but what is that exactly? I'll tell you, this is your way of trying to belittle blacks for celebrating one another, we are not targeting whites by celebrating our "Blackness". Have you noticed that blacks come in all shades of brown? This is because of a huge mingling of the races over time.
I can only write about blackness because that is what I am. I cannot speak for any other heritage.

Nicole I have white friends. They have been very very very good to me and in a lot of cases-I'd say 8 out of ten times they have been better to me than my black ones.

Do you know what blacks, Hispanics, or Jews have faced? Try reading some literature and educate yourself so that you don't ever again have to write some derogatory jargon again because of your lack of being capable of living a well-rounded life. For the record, when I was in school, the history books left out what blacks brought to the table in as far as their contributions to AMERICAN society in the past, present and future. So, I had to take an "African American" history class to find out. If you read those books, any articles or publications hopefully you'll won't be back on this forum again subjecting readers like me to your inability to wrap your head around the contributions brought to ALL AMERICANS of ALL races.
;)

Nothing frustrates me more than when I see ignorant tit for tat exchanges like this.

All whites do not have rich parents and all blacks don't have scholarships.

Ignorance is dealt with by providing information that contradicts the stereotypes ---- your response has played into the stereotypes.

[RK77]

you call me:
"redneck"
"Hillbilly"
"Slaker"
"Cracker"
"Honkey"
"Whitey"
"Gringo"
"Sage"
and you think it's OK.









But when I call you:
jungle bunny
spear chunker
coon
wet back
jiggaboo
porch monkey
sand nigger
rag head
towelhead
Camel Jockey
Gook
Spook
NIGGER
KIKE
slant eyes
or Chink
you call me a racist.








--You have the United Negro College Fund.








--You have Martin Luther King Day.








--You have Black History Month.








--You have Cesar Chavez Day.








--You have Yom Hashoah
--You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
--You have the NAACP.








--You have BET.









--If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.








--If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.








--If we had white history month... we'd be racist.








--If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.








--If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.








--In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.








--Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.








--You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.








I am white.







and
i am proud.








But, you call me a racist.








Why is it that only whites can be racists?
Now watch, I'll be racist for reposting this
So what? no-one will re-post this for fear of being called racist if you agree w/ this than repost saying"i'm not RACIST but its true

Nicole,

As no one here has written anything of the sort or called you racist can we all assume that you are acting out some personal issues?

The only thing more frightening than people who don't make it a point to know a bit about the history of others is those who don't know their own history!

Get a clue! (READ the WHOLE entrys---use the links--- I have only quoted a MINOR bit of what is known here)

Cracker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(pejorative))

There are various theories concerning the origin of the term "cracker".

The term "cracker" was in use during Elizabethan times to describe braggarts. The original root of this is the Middle English word crack1 meaning "entertaining conversation" (one may be said to "crack" a joke); this term and the alternate spelling "craic" are still in use in Ireland and Scotland. It is documented in Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"

Hillbillies, Rednecks, Crackers, and Gringos (http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html)

Excerpts:

Supporters of King William were known as “Orangemen” and "Billy Boys" and their North American counterparts were soon referred to as "hillbillies". It is interesting to note that a traditional song of the Glasgow Rangers football club today begins with the line, "Hurrah! Hurrah! We are the Billy Boys!" and shares its tune with the famous American Civil War song, "Marching Through Georgia".

Stories abound of American National Guard units from Southern states being met upon disembarking in Britain during the First and Second World Wars with the tune, much to their displeasure! One of these stories comes from Colonel Ward Schrantz, a noted historian, Carthage Missouri native, and veteran of the Mexican Border Campaign, as well as the First and Second World Wars, documented a story where the US Army's 30th Division, made up of National Guard units from Georgia, North and South Carolina and Tennessee arrived in the United Kingdom…”a waiting British band broke into welcoming American music, and the soldiery, even the 118th Field Artillery and the 105 Medical Battalion from Georgia, broke into laughter.

The excellence of intent and the ignorance of the origins of the American music being equally obvious. The welcoming tune was “Marching Through Georgia.”


And........

The origins of this term Redneck are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", (rednecks) which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?




Suffice it to say that.....

1) these were terms that whites used for other whites to denigrate them----so take it up with them!

2) when the history of the people who were labeled as such is appreciated there is NOTHING to be ashamed of ....pride should be taken by those of such ancestory.

3) Your personal ignorance has created a problem for you that you have no business or reason to take out on others.



Now---If you have links to the story about white kids going to court SOLELY for forming a club (and not at all related to the activities of that club) PLEASE post it.

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Be responsible Black People! Stop looking for the easy way out. Stop blaming "the white man" for your laziness, slothfulness, and indifference. Get in the battle every single day...intensely!
Black People, you come from a long heritage of people who have a solid history of overcoming. Quit dancing, and singing, and telling jokes all of the time and take responsibility of your (and your family's) economic situation! Reach back and lift a less fortunate child and bring him/her along with you!
"The white man" is not holding you down...you're using that as a crutch to sit on your behind and justify your failure.

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There is no understanding of what was initially proposed and established by the "founding fathers", (which by the way, was composed of "white" i.e. European, and "black", i.e. Asiatic or African members!) in terms of what the said government would be, and its relationship to and function in, the lives of its Citizens.

So, here we are, a few years removed, yet not nearly as politically astute or constitutionally aware as we ought to be, and, as a "nation of people", we are pathetically and almost hopelessly lost, with no one to truly "guide" us to that freedom, that equality, and that economically secure state of mind that is the very basis upon which everything else in our existence is built upon, relatively speaking.

More to come, but for now, let it be noted, that another question, just as important, must also be considered, as far as "we" are concerned, and that is "What is an Obama presidency gonna do to change the condition of the "African American" or "black" people, or the so-called "white" people in this country? (since I can think of no other country where seemingly intelligent people call themselves by names that do not connect them to a nation!)

What's going to change?

More to come...

Peace,

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Is white privilege a white woman giving birth to a future president of the United States? Is white privilege that same white woman working multiple jobs to support this future president and instilling in him the values that will drive him in the future to become the great man he is today. Is white privilege his white grandparents who stepped in and continued to nurture this child?
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You are who you are, you are what you do.
What is it exactly you think is true?
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What is right, what is wrong, you must decide.

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[RK77]

This article seems quite one sided. For instance, why has he not mentioned that Obama, by his own admission, has previously benefited from affirmative action?

Also, in relation to college scores, Bush, Gore, Kerry & McCain have had their records scrutinised. Why doesn't the press demand to see Obama's college scores? I suspect it is because they do not want to appear racist.

Also, would Obama have received the support he did from African American voters and white liberals if he was just another white candidate?

In terms of white privilege generally, how does Wise explain the fact that Asian students outperform whites & have higher graduation rates (same in NZ & Australia). How can this happen if the system is so racist?

What was it you feel you needed to know?

Obama in High School (http://http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_Barack_Obama's_grades_in_high_school)

He graduated from an Ivy league college (Columbia) with a 3.3 GPA and was Magna Cum Laude at Harvard law which puts him in the upper 10% of his class but also in the upper 1% of ALL students in the world.

Source (http://http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_were_Barack_Obama's_grades_in_college)

Were you thinking that seeing his records grade by grade would tell you something MORE than that?

White privilege often hinders performance (as seen with Bush and McCain). It (privilege) can get you IN (without the prerequiste performance as it did Bush and McCain) but it does not get the grades for you. You do get that even whites have to do SOME work don't you?

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Wow,
Great article. I have to agree. If a church leader is living a lavish lifestyle and his congregation has people in desperate need, then maybe the churches "non-profit" status should be revoked. Especially if it is set up like a business would be. No preacher needs a bodyguard to keep him from his congregation. If they were taxed that is a lot of money to help pay for health care.


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UNEARNED WHITE PRIVILEGE PART I
>
>White people need to acknowledge benefits of unearned privilege
>
>By Robert Jensen
>
>
>BALTIMORE: Here's what white privilege sounds like: I'm sitting in
>my University of Texas office, talking to a very bright and very
>conservative white student about affirmative action in college
>admissions, which he opposes and I support. The student says he
>wants a level playing field with no unearned advantages for anyone.
>I ask him whether he thinks that being white has advantages in the
>United States.
>
>Have either of us, I ask, ever benefited from being white in a world
>run mostly by white people?
>
>Yes, he concedes, there is something real and tangible we could call
>white privilege.
>
>So, if we live in a world of white privilege - unearned white
>privilege - how does that affect your notion of a level playing
>field? I asked.
>
>He paused for a moment and said,
>
>"That really doesn't matter."
>
>That statement, I suggested to him, reveals the ultimate white
>privilege: the privilege to acknowledge that you have unearned
>privilege but to ignore what it means.
>
>That exchange led me to rethink the way I talk about race and racism
>with students. It drove home the importance of confronting the dirty
>secret that we white people carry around with us every day: in a
>world of white privilege, some of what we have is unearned. I think
>much of both the fear and anger that comes up around discussions of
>affirmative action has its roots in that secret. So these days, my
>goal is to talk openly and honestly about white supremacy and white
>privilege.
>
>White privilege, like any social phenomenon, is complex. In a white
>supremacist culture, all white people have privilege, whether or not
>they are overtly racist themselves. There are general patterns, but
>such privilege plays out differently depending on context and other
>aspects of one's identity (in my case, being male gives me other
>kinds of privilege). Rather than try to tell others how white
>privilege has played out in their lives, I talk about how it has
>affected me.
>
>I am as white as white gets in this country. I am of northern
>European heritage and I was raised in North Dakota, one of the
>whitest states in the country. I grew up in a virtually all-white
>world surrounded by racism, both personal and institutional. Because
>I didn't live near a reservation, I didn't even have exposure to the
>state's only numerically significant non-white population, American
>Indians.
>
>I have struggled to resist that racist training and the racism of my
>culture. I like to think I have changed, even though I routinely
>trip over the lingering effects of that internalized racism and the
>institutional racism around me. But no matter how much I "fix"
>myself, one thing never changes - I walk through the world with
>white privilege.
>
>What does that mean?
>
>Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university,
>apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don't look threatening.
>Almost all of the people evaluating me look like me - they are
>white. They see in me a reflection of themselves - and in a racist
>world, that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them.
>I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut
>some slack. After all, I'm white.
>
>My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white.
>
>Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is
>saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are
>minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don't know very many. As
>Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action
>policies were in place for the next hundred years, it's possible
>that at the end of that time the university could have as many
>mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors.
>That isn't meant as an insult to anyone, but it's a simple
>observation that white privilege has meant that scores of
>second-rate white professors have slid through the system because
>their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well
>as on gender, class and ideology.
>
>Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a
>bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real
>people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I
>know, because I am one of them. I am not a genius - as I like to
>say, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I have been teaching
>full time for six years and I've published a reasonable amount of
>scholarship.
>
>Some of it is the unexceptional stuff one churns out to get tenure,
>and some of it, I would argue, is worth reading. I worked hard, and
>I like to think that I'm a fairly decent teacher. Every once in a
>while, I leave my office at the end of the day feeling like I really
>accomplished something. When I cash my paycheck, I don't feel
>guilty.
>
>But, all that said, I know I did not get where I am by merit alone.
>I benefited from among other things, white privilege. That doesn't
>mean that I don't deserve my job, or that if I weren't white I would
>never have gotten the job. It means simply that all through my
>life, I have soaked up benefits for being white.
>
>All my life I have been hired for jobs by white people.
>
>I was accepted for graduate school by white people.
>
>And I was hired for a teaching position by the predominantly white
>University of Texas, headed by a white president, in a college
>headed by a white dean and in a department with a white chairman
>that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.
>
>I have worked hard to get where I am, and I work hard to stay there.
>But to feel good about myself and my work, I do not have to believe
>that "merit" as defined by white people in a white country, alone
>got me here. I can acknowledge that in addition to all that hard
>work, I got a significant boost from white privilege.
>
>At one time in my life, I would not have been able to say that,
>because I needed to believe that my success in life was due solely
>to my individual talent and effort. I saw myself as the heroic
>American, the rugged individualist. I was so deeply seduced by the
>culture's mythology that I couldn't see the fear that was binding me
>to those myths.
>
> Like all white Americans, I was living with the fear that maybe I
>didn't really deserve my success, that maybe luck and privilege had
>more to do with it than brains and hard work. I was afraid I wasn't
>heroic or rugged, that I wasn't special.
>
>I let go of some of that fear when I realized that, indeed, I wasn't
>special, but that I was still me. What I do well, I still can take
>pride in, even when I know that the rules under which I work in are
>stacked to my benefit. Until we let go of the fiction that people
>have complete control over their fate - that we can will ourselves
>to be anything we choose - then we will live with that fear.
>
>White privilege is not something I get to decide whether I want to
>keep. Every time I walk into a store at the same time as a black man
>and the security guard follows him and leaves me alone to shop, I am
>benefiting from white privilege.
>
>There is not space here to list all the ways in which white
>privilege plays out in our daily lives, but is clear that I will
>carry this privilege with me until the day white supremacy is erased
>from this society.
>
>
>-- Dawn/LAT-WP News Service (c) Baltimore Sun

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