America Has Lost A Generation of Black Boys [Archive] - Page 2

nubiansamurai

10-21-2007, 10:20 PM

First of all there have always been plots against black people from the very beginning. But let's get something straight, the plots are aimed at the Dr. Martin Luther Kings of our people. There isn't a plot to take out the underachievers in our communities. I'm not getting tired, I am tired of this generation that we who are parents are creating. There are children everyday, who live in "bad" neighborhoods, who are profiled in the local papers for academic achievements and they come from single parent (usually mothers). So why is it that there are some parents who get it done and others who don't? Why is it there are children, who go to jail and others who choose education and the success that follows?

It isn't a matter of trying to get the rap industry to take three words out of it's lyrical rotation. There has always been bad music and bad influences in our communities, trying to make their way into the homes of our grandparents and parents. All I want to know is what happened to the "no" in this generation of parents? The music industry and movie industry are always going to try to make money in a country driven by what's making the most money. Why are we letting anyone warp our view of what is truly black? We keep on with this we need to hold teen chats and summits to try to find out what's killing our black youth and all we have to do is stop overlooking what is right in our faces. Just drive by any corner where there are kids dealing drugs and stealing cars and robbing people and honestly look at how they're dressed and how they wear their hair and be honest about what it is that's going on.

We have an entire generation that is trying to be thugs and they are experiencing what goes with that lifestyle: jail, death and living as outcasts. How can you call yourself a parent and know that the cornrows, platts, tattoos on their necks that say "thug world" pants hanging down, scarfs strategically placed (especially around their necks like they're waiting to pull it up to rob somebody) are all thug/jail cultured behaviors and act suprised at the call from the school and a little later on the police station? The problem is staring at us everyday and we haven't done anything about it. And really, it's not a WE thing, if everybody would go home and just parent. I'm tired of hearing about people complaining about violence in the community, yet everyday they send out one more drug dealer, stick up kid or car thief out of their houses. And I don't care who gets mad about what I'm saying, this isn't some hidden Masonic knowledge I'm talking about. I don't care about how artistic you try to make your braids gentlemen, it's a thug hairstyle: period. Those pants you like to wear hanging off your butts, is not a fashion statement or just "what the kids are doing these days". When you are arrested, your belt and shoe strings are taken from you as a matter of policy to prevent suicide attempts. When young men are displaying their pants in this manner, they are imitating people who have been arrested or have been to prison.

None of this "No Snitching" stuff is black or part of our culture as decent people. That is the language of drug dealers, who don't want people calling the police on them while they're busy ruining the community. So if your child doesn't have a future in the curbside pharmacy, why are you letting him wear the T shirt?

Would you rather have your child know somebody that can put TV's all up in the headrest " for like a two fiddy" or the person who can hook them up with a job interview at the Fortune 500 company? Who hasn't seen that old man in their neighborhood who was selling drugs when they were little and he's still selling drugs with nothing to show for it at 40 or 50; waiting on his third strike? If this doesn't bother you then ignore what I've said and we'll see how things turn out when instead of having someone who gives you money and sends you on trips when you're elderly, you have someone still livng in your basement between stints in jail that you have to send money to on a pension or retired fixed income.

My final point is this, it may be cool to you to have his or her friends think of them as a thug, but what about the person making the college entry decision or the employment decision; what about them?

meezjay

10-21-2007, 10:30 PM

Our youth needs a lot prayer these days. Its so sad that the law has taken the rukes of discipline away from the adults as well.

uncdec01

10-22-2007, 08:19 AM

As I looked at the photos of the lynching post cards. http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/main.html

I see how the system is still lynching young black men. But this time they have convinced some of us that we deserve it. Did you know that the third grade achievement tests of young black and other minority boys are used to determine how many prisons to build (did you know prisons are a multi billion dollar industry). I was horrified when I realized this. How can third grade standardized test which are probably biased to start with determine someone's path, unless that path was designed to lead to prison.They are setting young boys up for failure and we as a community are doing nothing to stop it.

We must Wake up!!! It is just as real and crucial as it was during slavery, reconstruction,and the civil right movement as it is today. They have just stepped up their game and have learned a new more powerful way to try and destroy us. The major difference now is that some of us actually believe we have made it and have overcome causing us to drop the torch that Dr. King and others passed to us.

We dropped the torch and allowed the same people and their supporters (both silent and active) who sold postcards of our people being lynched ( you know this must have been lucrative or they would not have selling them) we gave them the sole responsibility to educate our children, to teach and honor our history, manage our finances, have jurisdiction over our freedom and thus control our destiny.

How could we have been so naive to just hand ourselves over and as a community just go to sleep. In a way I guess we were so tired from our 400 year struggle that after the civil right movement, we just wanted to rest and we did not realize they were not resting they just created a new face of terror and oppression. I am sooooooo happy that our community seems to have had enough rest and are awake, but the key is to realize that we can never sleep, rest, or let the torch go out.

The truest quote ever "If we do not know our history we are destined to repeat it." That is exactly what is happening to our community. So many of our children do not know who Dr. King was, let alone Medger Evers, Emmit Till, Frederick Douglass, Nat Turner, Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth and soo many others. They do not know a torch has been passed to us, they do not even know where the torch is.

Remember it is not I shall overcome it is We shall overcome not one of us can overcome unless we all overcome!!!!!

Candyx

10-22-2007, 09:44 AM

Our youth needs a lot prayer these days. Its so sad that the law has taken the rukes of discipline away from the adults as well.

I agree. Parents need to stand up and do what parents do...talk to your children, discipline them and most of all love them and be with them. We need stop thinking someone else is going to do job be we are obligated as parents to do. Remember our kids did not ask to come here you choose to help bring them into this world. Parent people!

SirNoseDevo

10-22-2007, 11:03 AM

NubianSamrai, Your entire post is talking about peer-preasure.
Which parents should talk about in the home circle, and until
we (Parents) realize that our children will learn from the out-
side. What about the un-trained techniques that is shown on
t.v, and movies from Hollywood everyday?

The plot at Blacks was way before Dr King's time, but he was
one of the many warriors who fought for a change, and you
can't forget the many others who fought before Dr King.
This is one of our hold backs in today's society, due to the
fact that most of the baby boomer's parents, and grandparents
had to struggle in order for there to be a Dr King, MalcolmX, along
with many others.

Did Dr King fight this battle alone? No he did not march alone by
himself. He had people who believe in what he believed in, and
that was the real movement for civil rights. The civil rights movement
should have never died down after its era, but people like Jim Crow,
David Duke, the late George Wallace, and the white man's (so-called)
power movement still held many of us captured mentally.

What gets me is some of you old timers seem to think that Dr King
was the Civil Rights movement savior, and Dr King did it alone again
that's not true. What we need to do is wake up, and stop being
modern day Uncle Toms & Aunt Suzies.

We have an entire generation that is trying to be thugs and they are experiencing what goes with that lifestyle: jail, death and living as outcasts. How can you call yourself a parent and know that the cornrows, platts, tattoos on their necks that say "thug world" pants hanging down, scarfs strategically placed (especially around their necks like they're waiting to pull it up to rob somebody) are all thug/jail cultured behaviors and act suprised at the call from the school and a little later on the police station?

You can't blame all of our youngsters as trying to be thugs. I believe
that there is parents who have tried to raise their Child(ren) right,but
they are living in the era where they can learn from the outside of the
home, and of course they followed the same road that you,I, and
everyone else followed in their lifetime.

I have a earring in my left ear, and have had it since the day that
I was called to serve in the army during Viet Nam. Does that make
me a thug? Today (2007) I work in the youth section of my local
police dept as a Child Protection Investigator, and what does me
wearing an earring have to do with helping or teaching children
the right direction to go in?

In closing, I believe that some of you are stuck in your own ways
of thinking, and I am also wondering how many of you posters have
Children and Grand Children? Do you disown them because they are
doing the what you think that they shouldn't be doing? or are you
taking the time out to explain that you don't look at the messenger
but you listen to the message.

When the clock reads 10pm do you know where your children or
grandchildren are?

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

vlpryor

10-22-2007, 02:45 PM

I do appreciate that you, George and Juan freely expressed your feelings about fathers and their sons. The roll models are truly needed, even if you are separated, divorce or whatever that relationship needs to continue. And I know you will continue to put it out there about how important it is.

mxh12

10-23-2007, 01:24 PM

As I listen to people like Dr. Bill Cosby and others speak about how we're losing out black boys and part of the reason being that there are no fathers in the home. Let me start by saying it shouldn't matter whether there is a father in the home or not, parents are not taking the responsibility of teaching their children the basic concept of life. I see a lot of homes where there are fathers in them, but the father is too busy pushing a remote control to a PlayStation or television and won't even take the time to drive his children to school when he's off because it's taking too much of his time, mother's who won't even walk to the church on the corner of the street because it takes too much of her time. There are more adults out partying than staying home and spending what my son calls (quality time) with their children. I work seven days a week and I'm still in touch with my child several times during the day over the telephone. I take him to school everyday and pick him up from school everyday. I've been blessed to be able to do that. I make a point to have his dinner done when he walks through the door because I get off early enough to come home and prepare dinner then pick him up from practice. I enjoy being a parent to my child. I teach him about life, I talk to him daily, I take the time to ask him how his day is and I kiss him every morning when he gets out of the car to go into the school building. I lot of men would frown on a son kissing his mother on the cheek, and I don't understand that. He's had teachers (male) who told me not to call the boys in the class, sweetheart, or honey, because they have to be tough. Why?

I've been told by others that our boys need to be tough, and that may be so, but being tough should not be the same as being mean or evil or even angry. We need to as parents spend more time with our children, talking to them and preparing them for whats to come in their lives and not putting the blame on whether or not a father is in the mix. Our kids don't think that they matter to society because some adults and the media make them believe that. Some kids are better off without fathers in their lives encouraging them to sleep with girls, teaching them that they're "pimps", etc. There are single fathers out there who can't control their sons either, why is that? I know several dads who can't control their children, but no one says anything about them. I would much rather be a single parent, living and having a peaceful life than living in strife with a man in the home beating me, and using profanity or who can't do anything but put a dent in the sofa because his ass is parked there from the time he gets home until he goes to bed at night, if he's home at all.

One of the most important issues that I have with parents of today, it that not enough of us teach our children to have high level of self-esteem. Our children have so little self-esteem that's why they beat up or even kill other children. That why they feel that they have to walk with gangs, because they need to belong somewhere with someone. If we pick our children up and teach them that they have a self-worth and they are important, then maybe we won't have so many troubled kids, killing themselves or others. Talking abusive language to others, be-little others just to boost their own egos.

We should applaud all single parents who at least try to make model citizens out of our children. I wonder why those kids who are living with both parents on a daily bases go to school and make other kids lives miserable being bullies, and taunting. Could it be because that's what they see at home?. From what I can see its the kids who have both mothers and fathers in the home that are committing a lot of harm to others not the other way around.

America Has Lost A Generation Of Black Boys

By Phillip Jackson
Executive Director of the Black Star Project
Chicago, IL
blackstar1000@ameritech.net

There is no longer a need for dire predictions, hand-wringing, or
apprehension about losing a generation of black boys. It is too late. In
education, employment, economics, incarceration, health, housing, and
parenting, we have lost a generation of young black men. The question
that remains is will we lose the next two or three generations, or
possibly every generation of black boys hereafter to the streets,
negative media, gangs, drugs, poor education, unemployment, father
absence, crime, violence and death.

Most young black men in the United States don't graduate from high
school. Only 35% of black male students graduated from high school in
Chicago and only 26% in New York City, according to a 2006 report by
The Schott Foundation for Public Education. Only a few black boys who
finish high school actually attend college, and of those few black boys
who enter college, nationally, only 22% of them finish college.

Young black male students have the worst grades, the lowest test scores,
and the highest dropout rates of all students in the country. When these
young black men don't succeed in school, they are much more likely to
succeed in the nation's criminal justice and penitentiary system. And it
was discovered recently that even when a young black man graduates from
a U.S. college, there is a good chance that he is from Africa, the
Caribbean or Europe, and not the United States.

Black men in prison in America have become as American as apple pie.
There are more black men in prisons and jails in the United States
(about 1.1 million) than there are black men incarcerated in the rest of
the world combined. This criminalization process now starts in
elementary schools with black male children as young as six and seven
years old being arrested in staggering numbers according to a 2005
report, Education on Lockdown by the Advancement Project.

The rest of the world is watching and following the lead of America.
Other countries including England, Canada, Jamaica, Brazil and South
Africa are adopting American social policies that encourage the
incarceration and destruction of young black men. This is leading to a
world-wide catastrophe. But still, there is no adequate response from
the American or global black community.

Worst of all is the passivity, neglect and disengagement of the black
community concerning the future of our black boys. We do little while
the future lives of black boys are being destroyed in record numbers.
The schools that black boys attend prepare them with skills that will
make them obsolete before, and if, they graduate. In a strange and
perverse way, the black community, its elf, has started to w age a kind
of war against young black men and has become part of this destructive
process.

Who are young black women going to marry? Who is going to build and
maintain the economies of black communities? Who is going to anchor
strong families in the black community? Who will young black boys
emulate as they grow into men? Where is the outrage of the black
community at the destruction of its black boys? Where are the plans and
the supportive actions to change this? Is this the beginning of the end
of the black people in America ?

The list of those who have failed young black men includes our
government, our foundations, our schools, our media, our black churches,
our black leaders, and even our parents. Ironical ly, experts say that
the solutions to the problems of young black men are simple and
relatively inexpensive, but they may not be easy, practical or popular.
It is not that we lack solutions as much as it is that we lack the will
to implement these solutions to save black boys. It seems that
government is willing to pay billions of dollars to lock up young black
men, rather than the millions it would take to prepare them to become
viable contributors and valued members of our society.

Please consider these simple goals that can lead to solutions for fixing
the problems of young black men:

Short term
1) Teach all black boys to read at grade level by the third grade and to
embrace education.
2) Provide positive role models for black boys.
3) Create a stable home environment for black boys that includes contact
with their fathers.
4) Ensure that black boys have a strong spiritual base.
5) Control the negative media influences on black boys.
6) Teach black boys to respect all girls and women.

Long term
1) Invest as much money in educating black boys as in locking up black
men.
2) Help connect black boys to a positive vision of themselves in the
future.
3) Create high expectations and help black boys live into those high
expectations.
4) Build a positive peer culture for black boys.
5) Teach black boys self-discipline, culture and history.
6) Teach black boys and the communities in which they live to embrace
education and life-long learning.

Cahlil

10-23-2007, 04:44 PM

Is this not our story? This is our history and our name we are the children of Israel. The LORD will establish thee for a holy people unto Himself, as He hath sworn unto thee; if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in His ways. And the LORD will make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if thou shalt hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them; and shalt not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt bethink thyself among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and hearken to His voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee And thou shalt return and hearken to the voice of the LORD, and do all His commandments which I command thee this day. And the LORD thy God will make thee over-abundant in all the work of thy hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good; for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as He rejoiced over thy fathers; if thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law; if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil, 16 in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His ordinances; then thou shalt live and multiply, and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest in to possess it. But if thy heart turn away, and thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I declare unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish; ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over the Jordan to go in to possess it. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse; therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed; to love the LORD thy God, to hearken to His voice, and to cleave unto Him; for that is thy life, and the length of thy days; that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them, and it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, that bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying: 'Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck; behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Assemble unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death ye will in any wise deal corruptly, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the end of days; because ye will do that which is evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him through the work of your hands. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee,The man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil against his brother, and against the wife of his bosom, and against the remnant of his children whom he hath remaining; so that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat, because he hath nothing left him; in the siege and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall straiten thee in all thy gates The LORD will smite thee with madness, and with blindness, and with astonishment of heart.Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day; and there shall be nought in the power of thy hand. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed away: so that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all the peoples whither the LORD shall lead thee away. Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather little in; Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be thine; for they shall go into captivity. All thy trees and the fruit of thy land shall the locust possess. The stranger that is in the midst of thee shall mount up above thee higher and higher; and thou shalt come down lower and lower. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him; he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. And all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou didst not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded thee. And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever; because thou didst not serve the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, by reason of the abundance of all things; therefore shalt thou serve thine enemy whom the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things; and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. The LORD will bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as the vulture swoopeth down; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; a nation of fierce countenance, that shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favour to the young.And among these nations shalt thou have no repose, and there shall be no rest for the sole of thy foot; but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and languishing of soul. And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear night and day, and shalt have no assurance of thy life. In the morning thou shalt say: 'Would it were even!' and at even thou shalt say: 'Would it were morning!' for the fear of thy heart which thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

chocolatecherry

10-23-2007, 07:31 PM

Because they're POOR JUDGES OF CHARACTER when it comes to MEN and can't keep their LEGS CLOSED??? :rolleyes: :cool:

What are they doing, having all those children out of wedlock, anyway???

Being unmarried, were they RAPED? Did the baby daddy put a gun to their head??? :rolleyes:

You talkin' about how "the black man doesn't take responsibility". What about the BLACK WOMAN??? Isn't SHE responsible for her own body, or is she a mindless automaton that whenever a man WANTS some, she just opens her legs???

Some of these so called “women” don’t know any better, they are young girls often teenagers whose grandmothers are in their 40s, their mothers are in their 30s and there are no fathers or positive role models in their lives. It’s a vicious cycle; women barely in her 30s who has had a baby at 14 or 15 cannot raise a child and teach it to be a responsible adult. Some single women don’t have time or don’t want to make time to be a parent because they are trying to find a man herself or for her child, she may be partying and trying to recapture her youth she lost from becoming pregnant so young. Some are worried about obtaining materialistic things from men, because they have little to no education and therefore no means of obtaining these things on their own. The teenage mother hasn’t been taught by her young mother morals, principles and values because she herself hasn’t been taught these things either. Furthermore, women can’t teach and male child to be a man and the value of self worth, respect for himself, his female counterparts or his peers. Children learn by example, if you have several generations of unwed mothers in your family, then that sets a precedent for how the future of your children will play out. Until parents are mature and realistic and teach their children at an early age the pros and cons of sexual intercourse as a teenager, the diseases, the emotional attachment and the responsibility that comes with it. There will never be a solution.

choosenalpha06

10-23-2007, 10:59 PM

You got it brother, you hit the nail right on the head! Everyone questions why all of these events and circumstances are happening to us on an intellectual and individual perspective basis only....but you won't look at it spiritually??? HUH!! We have been in different religions and cultures since we came here and we are not changed spiritually. These things are happening for a spiritual reason...trust me we should have been extinct by now:eek: But someone is preserving us................................................ ......

Is this not our story? This is our history and our name we are the children of Israel. The LORD will establish thee for a holy people unto Himself, as He hath sworn unto thee; if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in His ways. And the LORD will make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if thou shalt hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them; and shalt not turn aside from any of the words which I command you this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt bethink thyself among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, and shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and hearken to His voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul; that then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the peoples, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee And thou shalt return and hearken to the voice of the LORD, and do all His commandments which I command thee this day. And the LORD thy God will make thee over-abundant in all the work of thy hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good; for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as He rejoiced over thy fathers; if thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law; if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: 'Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?' But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil, 16 in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His ordinances; then thou shalt live and multiply, and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest in to possess it. But if thy heart turn away, and thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I declare unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish; ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over the Jordan to go in to possess it. I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse; therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed; to love the LORD thy God, to hearken to His voice, and to cleave unto Him; for that is thy life, and the length of thy days; that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them, and it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, that Moses commanded the Levites, that bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying: 'Take this book of the law, and put it by the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck; behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Assemble unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to witness against them. For I know that after my death ye will in any wise deal corruptly, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the end of days; because ye will do that which is evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him through the work of your hands. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee,The man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil against his brother, and against the wife of his bosom, and against the remnant of his children whom he hath remaining; so that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat, because he hath nothing left him; in the siege and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall straiten thee in all thy gates The LORD will smite thee with madness, and with blindness, and with astonishment of heart.Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day; and there shall be nought in the power of thy hand. The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed away: so that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all the peoples whither the LORD shall lead thee away. Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather little in; Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but they shall not be thine; for they shall go into captivity. All thy trees and the fruit of thy land shall the locust possess. The stranger that is in the midst of thee shall mount up above thee higher and higher; and thou shalt come down lower and lower. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him; he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail. And all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou didst not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which He commanded thee. And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever; because thou didst not serve the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, by reason of the abundance of all things; therefore shalt thou serve thine enemy whom the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things; and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. The LORD will bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as the vulture swoopeth down; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; a nation of fierce countenance, that shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favour to the young.And among these nations shalt thou have no repose, and there shall be no rest for the sole of thy foot; but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and languishing of soul. And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear night and day, and shalt have no assurance of thy life. In the morning thou shalt say: 'Would it were even!' and at even thou shalt say: 'Would it were morning!' for the fear of thy heart which thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

SirNoseDevo

10-23-2007, 11:51 PM

We can not only blame the big increase in unwed teen-age
Mothers for everything. Blame these wannabe pimp daddy
young males as well. Believe me I am NOT co-signing or am
I approving either one. I do blame what's happening with
our younger generation (like someone stated) on the raising
in the home.

In reality many baby booming parents came from a divided
home. Where for some odd reason the Father wasn't allowed
to come around by our Mother's parents. Back in the days
when I was born if a female had a child out of wedlock it was
a sin, and most parents (such as my Grandmother & Great
GrandMother's generation) was embarrassed.

Which leads up to our now generation of young people being
the way they are today. Again, As I have stated many times
about what I experience dealing with Babies making Babies in
my profession. Its a damn shame to go to a home where the
Mother is 17 years old with two babies, and because the Mother
can't handle the situation drown or do something bad to their
child(ren).

Whereas on the other hand the pimp daddy teen-age male is
running around boosting about what he have done, and can't
take care of his damn self. The psychological bs behind it all
is (9 times out of 10) the young teen-ager came from a home
that did not have a Father image, and was raised in the grip of
peer-preasure.

In closing, Lets not try making excuses for the reason why things
is happening with our young generation today, but we need to
tighten up our Black family values, and a suggestion what a person
can do is volunteer helping our younger generation instead of
always pointing fingers.

Sir Nose DeVoid of Funk

zion

10-24-2007, 03:45 PM

poetlife

10-24-2007, 04:18 PM

Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1
Post TO HANG A NOOSE - Radio Interview
Hello Friends,
Please pass along this story to everyone you know. TO HANG A NOOSE airs today 10/24 at 1:00 p.m. & 8:00 p.m. (ET).
For information on how to tune in look below.
Also feel free to post the link on your website!
Remember if we do not learn from our past, we are doomed to repeat it.
Thanks!
Be,
Anita

October 24, 2007

TO HANG A NOOSE

A wave of noose-related incidents is sweeping across the country. Black civil rights leaders are calling for a march at the Justice Department headquarters in Washington next month. Their agenda: to make the federal government prosecute the noose hangings as a hate crime. Last month, thousands of protesters marched in Jena, La. following the hanging of 3 nooses under a school tree. But even before that, nooses have been found at workplaces, government buildings and schools.

Hearing about it is devastating for Charles Hickman. In 2002, Charles was the only African-American working at an oil industry pipe coatings company in Conroe, Texas. He endured severe racial harassment and passed a hanging noose in the warehouse for several days. Days later a white coworker strangled him with a noose in the restroom. Charles talks to Dick Gordon about how and why he returned to work the next day after being strangled. His father, Joe Hickman, joins in the conversation. Joe says the sheriff didn't want to take the report at first. Later, Joe himself tried to confront the people who tried to hang his son.

HOW TO LISTEN....
Live Stream: www.wunc.org 1:00 p.m .& 8:00 p.m. (ET)
Online: After 4:00 p.m. (ET) http://thestory.org/archive/
Podcast: http://thestoryonline.org/archive/podcast.xml
XM Satellite Radio: Wednesday-Saturday Channel 133 at 2:00 a.m. (ET)
Your local radio station? http://thestory.org/Stations

darren

10-24-2007, 05:09 PM

SirNoseDevo

10-24-2007, 06:38 PM

Let's organize now! We don't have much time, but we can do it! This time, let's get a million people at the rally! Be there by any means necessary...cars, planes, buses....let's get there!!!!!!!

Rev. Al Sharpton announced plans Tuesday for a march on the U.S. Justice Department in Washington on Nov. 16.
Sharpton, speaking at Atlanta's Richard B. Russell federal building, is protesting what he believes is the Justice Department's failure to prosecute a series of recent hate crimes across the country.

"We feel that the federal government has failed to intervene in the cases of hate crimes — swastikas and nooses," Sharpton said. "Since the federal government won't come to the people, we're going to bring the people to the federal government."

Sharpton was joined at Tuesday's news conference by Martin Luther King III. Both noted what appeared to be a string of copycat crimes involving nooses following the well-publicized Jena 6 episode in Mississippi.

Warren Ballantine, a radio host appearing alongside Sharpton and King on Tuesday, also called for a "blackout" on Nov. 2, asking people to not spend money on that day in hopes of sending a message to the federal government.

Said Sharpton: "We'll continue to mobilize until there's justice, and that has to come from the federal government."

http://www.nationalactionnetwork.net/

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JUSTICE_DEPARTMENT_MARCH?SITE=CAVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Its a shame when people become selff-centered thing individuals,
and do what they want to do, and damn the rest of us.
On the forum that I own I call that double spamming,and I use
that as grounds to ban a screen name or ISP.

In today's society things like this is what make younger people
tell us older ones to shut up, and what we are talking about is
antique. Yet, There's many youngsters who is set in doing their
way or no way at all, but many of us older people can't follow
our own advice, and get pissed when others don't accept what
we say.

Selfish/Self-centered attitutes is why Blacks is no farther in
society then we are, due to the fact that we are forever blaming
others for us misforture, and we are still doing the samething
that we are holding against our younger generation.

The word lost is only used when there's no more hope, but I do
believe that where's there is hope there's a chance, and if we
ignore the fact that we don't know it all..we are the ones who is
the losted generation.

Maybe, the Administrator of this forum will create a special thread
that's just for posting announcement. This way forum space can be
used for discussion purposes only. (Just A Suggestion)

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

onlyluvchi

10-24-2007, 08:27 PM

No I cannot raise a Black Male to be a man for I am not a man. What we as a black race need to do is to find these fathers who laid up there and helped to create this male child, so he can teach him respect, pride, courage, communication, love of God and family. We must also as a people teach our younger generation their past, present and future. They are lost to the Hip Hop and streets, we must bring them back home. To save them from themselves. It used to be that it took a village to raise a child, we need that village now. Mothers find your babies daddys and make them set up and be a man, you laid down with him now it is your duty to make sure that male child is in his fathers site. Many Black women had the habit of teaching our young men thhat their daddy is no good. (well I ask you, was that daddy good enough for you to lay with him to get that child?). What does that say about you as a black woman. I can speak on this for I had a male child that grew to be a man within my home. I raised him with the knowledge I had and even through his father was not in the home, he was a part of his fathers life. I am a black woman raised in the ghetto of Cleveland Ohio and I know from experience all that I have stated above, for I have worked hard to raise my children not just to get them out the house, but with a future. I am proud to say that my son was a MAN one that other men would look up to. He has no children of his own for his life was taken from him by one of the very black males that is lost to the streets. The crime was un-called for, because my son was a gentle giant with a very big heart. And like his father and his father's father before him. That male child knew of his past, present and future and left behind nephews that miss him very much. It still takes a but kicking at home by parents that love their children and that are not trying to be their friend for fear of their children beating on them. These children today has lost this respect not only for the people they meet but their parents as well. IT IS NOW TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR BLACK MALE CHILDREN, AS THAT VILLAGE TO HELP THEM COME INTO THEIR MANHOOD AS PROUD BLACK MEN. FOR WE COME FROM KINGS AND QUEENS.

SirNoseDevo

10-24-2007, 09:47 PM

Onlylivchi. You Black women need to stop blaming the Black males
for walking out of the home. What about you women who have had
children, and the Father had to take charge because you Women
have abandon being Mothers?

This is the very reason why our young people is screwed up in
the mind today. I am a proud Black man who is a single Father,
and I had to be the Mr Moms until my two kids got grown. I
get pissed when ever I see a Womens Liberationist down grade
Men who took their roll in raisng the kids. Due to the fact that
women have walked out on their children, and never see the
child again.

In my case my ex walked away from our two children when
they was 2 and 1 years of age, and we did not see her until
both kids was grown (25 years later) then she popped up from
nowhere wanting to be Mama again.

This threads topic is America has losted a generation of Black
boys (why the girls isn't included), and its bs like I just stated
that's the situation is like it is. Now, I am saying the samething
that onlyylivchi said at the end of her post. Where are you so
called Mothers? Its time to return back to the home, and start
teaching and talking about Black family values.

Mothers & Fathers, its time to take up where you left off, due
to the fact that many of us is Grandparents or Great Grandparents
now, and lets reclaim our places in the home. Give us single Fathers
credit when its due.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

uncdec01

10-24-2007, 10:35 PM

Sites that discredit the photos

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7134753

http://www.thenewsstar.com/apps/pbcs...TES01/70928007

Here is what I wrote to bossip one site who posted this website and stated this is the reason why they do not support "negro causes"

I am a reader of this site and today I must say I am disappointed and downright disgusted with this posting.

First of all this video is very old and second it has already been discredited. Those pictures were posted before the Jena six case and was not money from the defense fund. Funds have not been sent directly to the families. That Youtube video was created by a passive aggressive bigot with an obvious racist agenda and now you have helped this bigot spread his destructive message far and wide. This Youtube video has been traced back to a neo-nazi website.

Why would you not do research before you post items that are destructive, detrimental and disrespectful to our community and our movement.

I am appalled by your remarks of "Put them in jail" and "This is why the smart folks over here at Bossip don’t support Negro causes just because we are told to".

I am glad to know where this web site stands when it comes to uplifting and advancing the plight of the Black community.

I guess this web site also would not have supported the Civil Right Movement because of reports that Dr. King was a womanizer and a communist. If someone would have made a negative Youtube video about Rosa Parks would this site have suggested she should sit her black butt on the back of the bus and stop complaining.

I am begging the Black Community to Wake up!!!!! We can not continue to fall for the same tricks they have been pulling for over 400 years. We must get smarter and more critical of the information we trust.

Don't forget who told you that there were only 15,00 people at the march in Jena when if you were there you know there were over 60,000+. Don't forget who labeled Katrina survivors as refugees and told you that there was wide spread rapes, murder and mayhem going on. To date there have been no confirmed cases or credible reports of any of this. Don't forget who told you that pumping over 40 bullets into Sean Bell was self defense, or that hanging a noose is just a prank and not a hate crime.

Black People our community is in crisis!!!!! We can not continue to fall for the OOKY Dook over and over again. This keeps us Unfocused, Confused, and thus Ineffective and Inactive.

Bossip I think it is your responsibility to print a retraction to this erroneous post. This is disrespectful to the people who rode on busses or drove all day and night to march for justice. It is disrespectful to those who gave unselfishly to the defense fund. It is disrespectful to the hundreds of thousand people and their families who are lost in the system. Most of all it is disrespectful to our forefathers who left it to us to advance the movement.

Because of this irresponsible reporting many people who had joined the movement to bring about change in the Black community have been discouraged, disillusioned and disheartened.

Bossip I understand that you have the right not to stand up for equal justice and join the movement to uplift and advance the plight of black people, but

I Beg you, if you are not willing to join and work for the movement please do not work against it by undermining, discrediting, or hindering it.

CarolynW

10-25-2007, 07:07 AM

SirNoseDevo

10-25-2007, 11:45 AM

Stevie Wonder can see them big letters you are typing in.

However, We can talk until we're blue in the face, but if
people do not understand what we are sayin, and some
might be in denial. We will NEVER move forward.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

uncdec01

10-25-2007, 12:56 PM

stopcoca

10-25-2007, 01:27 PM

This case involves two African-American girls that allege to have been sexually assaulted by a Caucasian man in Prince William County, Virginia as well as the death of two African-American boys. The eldest girl was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder due to her alleged sexual assault by a Caucasian male in Virginia. She was unable to get justice in regards to the criminal act but later filed a civil suit against her alleged rapist and was victorious, he chose to settle the case to keep it quiet. The other victim has not been as fortunate, she is currently eight years-old. She alleges to have been forced to perform oral sex on the her rapist as well as being forced to allow him to perform it upon her. Other than her word there is medical evidence to support her claim, she contracted vaginal strep. She alleged that he sodomized her on several occasions, to support her claim she was treated for rectal bleeding. There is also a medical report that list the trauma seen on her vagina. Currently, she is being forced to reside with an all white family where she is addressed as "nigger" and "bitch". She has also endured being punched in her chest so hard for telling of her sexual abuse that she had to be seen by a doctor because it hurt her when she breathed. The police even when presented with evidence of the above mentioned acts stated that they would not investigate the allegations. There is evidence to support that the police have covered up the sexual assaults as well as an officer stating that the police wouldn't investigate any allegations of abuse involving either of the African-American girls. There are court documents that support a police officer committing perjury in regards to the alleged sexual assaults. There has been no arrest or investigation. Prince William County, Virginia has a long history of failing its African-American children. Donnell Robinson an African-American boy of two years is no longer with us because the Prince William County Police department failed to investigate his abuse. Rodney Gene Williams, another African-American child is no longer with us because again the Prince William County Police department refused to investigate his abuse. Neither of these children needed to die and they would not have if only they were granted the same protection that the Caucasian children of Prince William County receive. We would like to intervene on behalf on this eight year-old before she meets the same fate of Donnell Robinson and Rodney Gene Williams. Her voice has been muted but it has not been silenced as Donnell and Rodney's has been. Together we can help her voice to be heard so that justice permeates Prince William County Virginia. We can rid Prince William County Virginia of its historical injustice if we walk and work together.

"an injustice to one, is an injustice to all."

I am working on trying to expose this injustice in the same way that justice was sort in Jena. Exposing this injustice will only make life better for children of color in Prince William County, Virginia.

CarolynW

10-25-2007, 04:14 PM

I only print in big letters because I know for me sometimes on really long posts with no spaces it is hard for me to read. sometimes although it is good post I do not read all of it because it is hard to read. I appreciate when people use the larger font it is easier to read quickly. Don't you think? Yes, I do! If a person wants to use the post as a quote, all they have to do is change the font size code in the edit box to SIZE="1" or take out the SIZE reference all together, and it shrinks it right back down to normal.

CarolynW

10-25-2007, 04:17 PM

Oh, by the way uncdec01, the second link in your previous post doesn't work...do you have a different one you could edit back in there?

SirNoseDevo

10-25-2007, 08:39 PM

loverofjustice

10-25-2007, 09:03 PM

Black people need to stop being STUPID with all this "respect all women" nonsense, and understand that the SOLUTION for black boys is a TWO PARENT HOME. :)

Do you honestly feel that a two parent home is the only solution? :confused:

SirNoseDevo

10-25-2007, 09:30 PM

Do you honestly feel that a two parent home is the only solutions? :confused:

Sir Nose DeVoid of Funk here, and I have to agree with Blackman, but
the main item that's missing regardless of the fact if both parents is
in the home or not is respect, and believe me life goes on including
parents life. However, if the parents should split up its their rights to
do so, and must remember that there is childrens lifes involved in the
split up.

There is also a saying that if a man should meet a woman with kids
that comes as part of the package, and its the same way with a
Single Father. The main thing in keeping things together is for each
one to understand each other. Most children usually like to pull rank
by telling one or the other...you not my Mother or you not my Father.
True that's a reality of the relationship, due to the fact that the kid
is hurt because the parent he or she loves isn't in the home. Believe
me that's understandable.

So I feel that just a long as love is shown in the home more power
to the two individuals. I was raised my my step Father (who took
the place of my real Father), and to this very day my Step Father
is the man man who will get respect as my Father.

So in closing, I think that some of us need to come out of being
in denial, and face the music that some of us has avoided for
years, and start taking control of our Child(ren) regardless to
what they may say. My Father told me yesterday that he don't
care how old I am I'm still his Baby boy (even if I am the oldest).

Sir Nose DeVoid of Funk
(And Nothing Can Stop Me Now)

WORD IS

10-25-2007, 10:46 PM

The “School-to-Prison-Pipeline” is a reality. Says Dr. David Forbes, Pastor of Christian Faith Baptist Church in Raleigh, NC and Chairman of the Triangle Lost Generation Task Force, “This is an enormous and complex problem, but in the final analysis it represents nothing short of a condition of modern day genocide. A whole generation of young African Americans are not available to help their families, continue their education and contribute to their communities' stability and growth.”

The costs to society at large are immeasurable. We are forfeiting the chance to educate children with potential to become doctors, teachers, scientists, and scholars. Lack of productivity and dependence on government subsidies costs society, on average, between $243,000 and $388,000 over the lifetime of every child who drops out or is put out of high school. When high school dropouts become involved in crime or drug use, the societal cost rises to between $1.7 and $2.3 million dollars over a lifetime.

Indicators of School Crime and Safety: 2006, published by the Department of Justice reveals that white public school students commit far more crimes at school than do Black students. For example, in 2005, white students committed 555,000 thefts, Black students 236,600. White students committed 401,700 “violent” crimes, Black students 132,400. White students committed 77,800 non-fatal “serious violent” crimes, Black students 17,300. Black students feel threatened or afraid at school more often than whites. Black students between 12 and 18 are more than twice as likely to be targets of race-hate words at school as white students in the same age group.

Still, students of color are disproportionately suspended and expelled from public school. Nationally, African-American children only represent 17% of public school enrollment, but 33% of out-of-school suspensions. See Facing the Consequences: An Examination of Racial Discrimination in U.S. Public Schools, published by the Applied Research Center.

For three consecutive school years, children of color in Durham, NC, accounted for 90-91% of out-of-school suspensions, but less than 60% of the students enrolled. Last year, eight Durham high school students filed a class action lawsuit against the School Board and former school superintendent Ann T. Denlinger for race discrimination in school discipline and denial of due process. Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson, an African American, dismissed the lawsuit in its entirety, and the students appealed. The case is now pending before the NC Court of Appeals. Several organizations, including the ACLU, the NAACP, the NC Justice Center, the Lost Generation Task Force, and the NC Legal Aid Society, filed a brief in support of the students. The complaint and appeal briefs are available on line through the NC Court of Appeals at:

http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/nc_main_1.nsf

Under "LIBRARY," select "SEARCH." In the space for "Case Number," type in 07-205.

An alarming number of people, white and Black, responded to this lawsuit by blaming the kids, their parents, or both: “If the schools put those kids out, they must have deserved it;” “It’s the parents’ fault. They need to pay more attention to raising their children right, rather than expecting the schools to do it for them.” Nothing could be further from the truth. The eight children involved in this lawsuit did not deserve being put out of school. They are good kids from good families, whose parents could not have been more involved. The superintendent rewarded one mother’s persistence by ordering her arrest and banning her from ever again setting foot on any school property. A handful of similar cases have been brought across the country.

We must wake up to what is going on in our schools and in our communities. When local school boards, whether by design or indifference, permit our children of color to be labeled criminals and put out of school, with no hearing and no evidence, when school officials say the pledge of allegiance with one hand on their hearts and the other behind their backs, fingers crossed, we must take action.

Anyone interested in taking action should check out go to

http://www.civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/resources/action_kits/zero_tol2.php.
and download [U]Action Kit, Civil Rights in Brief: Zero Tolerance and School Discipline, published by the UCLA Civil Rights Project.

Other on line resources include:

ADVANCEMENT PROJECT
Advancement Project is a democracy and justice action group that works with communities seeking to build a fair and just multi-racial democracy in America. Using law, public policy and strategic communications, Advancement Project acts in partnership with local communities to advance universal opportunity, equity and access for those left behind in America. Especially helpful: Schoolhouse to Jailhouse Action Kit
http://www.advancementproject.org

APPLIED RESEARCH CENTER
Advancing racial justice through research, advocacy and journalism.
http://www.arc.org

CENTER ON JUVENILE AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE
Provides direct service, technical assistance and policy research in the field of juvenile and criminal justice.
http://www.cjcj.org/

CIVILRIGHTS.ORG
Leadership Conference on Civil Rights: to promote enactment and enforcement of effective civil rights legislation and policy.
http://www.civilrights.org

EDUCATION LAW CENTER: STANDING UP FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN
Founded in 1973, ELC advocates on behalf of public school children for access to an equal and adequate education under state and federal laws. ELC's work is based on a core value: if given the opportunity, all children can achieve high academic standards to prepare them for citizenship and to compete in the economy.
http://www.edlawcenter.org

JUVENILE LAW CENTER
Juvenile Law Center ensures that the child welfare, juvenile justice and other public systems provide vulnerable children with the protection and services they need to become happy, healthy and productive adults.
http://www.jlc.org

NAACP LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATIONAL FUND, INC.
Since the U.S. Supreme Court's 1954 decision in Brown v. the Board of Education, ending segregation in public schools, LDF has fought to fulfill this landmark decision’s promise of inclusive, integrated, high quality schools for all of our nation's children. The LDF motto is, “We Defend. We Educate. We Empower.”
http://www.naacpldf.org/

VAadrienne

10-26-2007, 09:12 AM

Omar has the ability to motivate people toward positive change, and when he is on the air or in front of an audience, there is a magic and a momentum that is created. He has the God-given ability to stimulate your mind, stir up your heart, lift your spirit and nourish your soul. The power of communication is phenomenal... and when all is said and done, he will have made a difference, and lives will be changed for the better.

http://www.yougotthepower.com/

Numbers to call on Wednesdays:
866-345-9256
757-490-9364
757-493-9989

Did you know...

... that the notorious No Child Left Behind Act includes a sneaky section that requires high schools to turn over private information on students to military recruiters?

And that the Pentagon has created an illegal database of 30 million 16-25 year-olds, including names, addresses, email addresses, cell phone numbers, ethnicities, social security numbers, extracurricular activities, and areas of study?

Yikes. What do we do? Any way you look at it, this is a family privacy nightmare, another strong-arming of our local schools, and a creepy warm-up to a possible draft. However, it's also a great reason to get together and take action.

So, whether you're a parent, teacher, student, school administrator, veteran or just another adamant American concerned about privacy rights, look for an action that you like and JOIN US!

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CarolynW

10-26-2007, 09:34 AM

The Georgia Supreme Court just handed down it's decision, split 4-3, that Genarlow Wilson should NOT remain in prison. He will be free today! YES! FINALLY! He has been in jail two years too long already! Click here for the story!! (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/26/wilson.freed/index.html)

WORD IS

10-26-2007, 10:27 AM

BE PROUD. Your efforts contributed largely to this happy ending. Thanks for the wonderful work you and America is Watching are doing.

Tmo7

10-26-2007, 10:32 AM

CarolynW

10-26-2007, 10:37 AM

BE PROUD. Your efforts contributed largely to this happy ending. Thanks for the wonderful work you and America is Watching are doing. Thanks WORD IS, however it's everyone in the Internet community who follows through and writes and calls and emails the contacts we provide who make the real difference. People like YOU! :)

I was at my Mother In Law's house when I received the alert on my phone about the Georgia Supreme Court decision releasing Genarlow, and rushed back to update the website! Tomorrow is my birthday, what a great birthday present this was!

SFCE7

10-26-2007, 05:27 PM

My son witnessed a fight while riding in a vehicle with friends, he had to spend two months in an adult facility. In addition, he was ordered by the court to spent an additional 30 days in a "Boot Camp." However, this happened 2.5 years ago, he is now twenty years old, working a fulltime job and attending college. Finally, if I was not able to find the means to hire an attorney in his defense, he would still be in jail.

WORD IS

10-26-2007, 11:02 PM

The two most powerful predictors that a child will not graduate from high school are poverty and race. Poor, black students face an uphill battle from the day they enter public school. Public schools should reach out to these students, nurture their educational development, and do everything possible to see that they graduate. Instead, children of color represent a disturbingly disproportionate number of students suspended or expelled from our public schools. Minority students, especially African Americans, have consistently higher suspension and expulsion rates, despite any evidence that they act out more often than others.

Empirical data demonstrates that public schools nationwide offer up Zero Tolerance policies to label poor, black children unworthy of a public education without even the pretense of due process. Overzealous enforcement of Zero Tolerance policies leaves poor, black students charged with “suspected” gang affiliation little chance of ever graduating. It denies them the vital social, economic, and psychological benefit of a public education and puts them out of school, on the street, with no voice, no self-esteem, and no hope for the future.

In September 2003, twenty or so Durham, NC, high school students, both Black and white, were involved in an after-school fight that started when three adults trespassed on school property and assaulted several students in the school parking lot. The fight was not race-related. In statements to the local press, former school superintendent Ann T. Denlinger characterized the fight as “thought to be gang-related.” It wasn’t. The following day, sixteen Black students were suspended for the remainder of the school year. Three more were permanently expelled. Not one white student was disciplined. A month later, in a letter to parents of white middle and high school students, Denlinger touted the new school board policy of “absolutely no tolerance for any gang-related activities, signs or symbols” and exhorted Durham “communities of faith” to join forces and “eradicate” the menace of “misguided young people hiding behind bandannas, t-shirts and hand signs,” and to keep “our” children safe from their influence.

Under the Durham Gang Policy, a student may be suspended or expelled from school for "wearing, possessing, using, distributing, displaying, or selling any clothing, jewelry, emblems, badges, symbols, signs or other items which may be evidence of membership or affiliation in any gang.” To paraphrase a long accepted axiom, “One man’s evidence is another man’s nonsense.” Such broadly written policies provide school officials a sweeping net with which to indiscriminately tag schoolchildren who pose no threat to school safety “suspected of gang-affiliation” and to deny them an opportunity to receive a basic public education based on little more than unsubstantiated opinion. Public housing and other low income neighborhoods are often viewed as breeding grounds for gang membership, and many students are tagged “suspected of gang-affiliation” based simply on where they live. By association, their friends are tagged “suspected of gang-affiliation.” Suspicion of gang-affiliation has become a communicable, unavoidable, and incurable disease.

Without question, gang presence is a critical concern for public schools everywhere. Gang-related conflict puts our children’s safety at risk and can disrupt the entire educational process, but no child should be denied the benefit of a public school education except in the most compelling circumstances and then only after being first afforded the rights of due process guaranteed by the United States Constitution. At a minimum, due process requires school officials to provide any student facing long term suspension or expulsion: (1) adequate notice of the charges against him; (2) a meaningful opportunity to heard at full hearing; (3) before a fair and impartial tribunal; (4) the right to counsel (though not at public expense); (5) the right to examine the evidence against him; (6) the right to confront and cross-examine the witnesses against him; (7) the right to present evidence; and (8) the right to call witnesses to testify in his defense.

Public schools play an important, indeed vital, role in transmitting the values and beliefs of our society to the next generation. Zero Tolerance is a policy of zero judgment. It encourages educators to abdicate their responsibility to teach by example. In some cases, it is little more than a transparent attempt to rid schools of “undesirable” students. Minority students, especially African Africans with a history of marginal academic performance, do not score well on the end of grade examinations. Under Bush’s No Child Left Behind program, test scores are the primary basis for assessing a school’s overall performance. In the high-stakes testing environment created by No Child Left Behind, Zero Tolerance has become a tool to keep up a school’s overall test scores by forcing out low-achieving minority students. Policies being carried out with impunity by our public schools make Separate but Equal, a policy declared unlawful more than 50 years ago, seem almost inviting.

In zealous haste to eradicate gang presence or raise test scores, school officials ignore the simple truth that not all misconduct is gang-related nor every altercation between students a consequence of gang rivalry. In doing so, they place expediency above the Constitution and put our most vulnerable students and the future well being of the community at risk. Study after study identifies poverty as one overwhelming characteristic of delinquent children. Without a high school education, young people are more likely to be unemployed, to live in poverty, or ultimately to be imprisoned. The resulting economic and societal effects can last generations.

If we are not to teach our children, all our children, to discount the most fundamental principles of our government as mere platitudes, we must say no to Zero Tolerance. We must take a stand. We must encourage every young person wrongly denied the right to a meaningful public education, to be strong, to believe in themselves, to realize their full potential, and to prove their detractors wrong. They are our children. We owe them nothing less.

That all citizens will be given an equal start through a sound education is one of the most basic, promised rights of our democracy. Our chronic refusal as a nation to guarantee that right for all children, including poor children, is a national disgrace. We cannot be so blind that we do not see that meeting the most basic needs of so many of our children condemns them to lives and futures of frustration, chronic underachievement, poverty and violence.

But, in the end, this is a spiritual issue for me. We must invest in the skills and intellect and character of our children, not because we know that if we do, they will be more likely to graduate from high school and less likely to be involved in crime, although that is true. We must invest in children not because they will be more likely to go on to college and to lead more productive lives, although that is also true. We should invest in the skills and intellect and character of our children because they are [our children], they are all beautiful, and we should be nice to them.

---Senator Paul Wellstone (1944-2002)

WORD IS
Wipe out race discrimination. Inspire sensibility.

WORD IS

10-26-2007, 11:56 PM

VAadrienne, As you said:

that the notorious No Child Left Behind Act includes a sneaky section that requires high schools to turn over private information on students to military recruiters?

Any way you look at it, this is a family privacy nightmare, another strong-arming of our local schools, and a creepy warm-up to a possible draft.

HERE'S THE SECTION:

20 USCA § 9528.

ARMED FORCES RECRUITER ACCESS TO STUDENTS AND STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION.

(a) POLICY.--

(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION.--Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.

(2) CONSENT.--A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student's name, address, and telephone listing described in paragraph (1) not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.

(3) SAME ACCESS TO STUDENTS.--Each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide military recruiters the same access to secondary school students as is provided generally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers of those students.

Of course, how's a student or parent to know of their right to request that the school not release info without consent? Do you know anyone who received notice of this right from a school?

Privacy issue indeed!!!

SOMETHING EVEN MORE INVASIVE AND SCARY -- HOUSE BILL S. 456: Gang Abatement and Prevention Act of 2007
SEC. 304. ADDITIONAL RESOURCES NEEDED BY THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION TO INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE VIOLENT CRIMINAL STREET GANGS.

(a) Expansion of Safe Streets Program- The Attorney General is authorized to expand the Safe Streets Program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation for the purpose of supporting criminal street gang enforcement teams.

(b) National Gang Activity Database-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall establish a National Gang Activity Database to be housed at and administered by the Department of Justice.

(2) DESCRIPTION- The database required by paragraph (1) shall--

(A) be designed to disseminate gang information to law enforcement agencies throughout the country and, subject to appropriate controls, to disseminate aggregate statistical information to other members of the criminal justice system, community leaders, academics, and the public;

(B) contain critical information on gangs, gang members, firearms, criminal activities, vehicles, and other information useful for investigators in solving and reducing gang-related crimes;

(C) operate in a manner that enables law enforcement agencies to--

(i) identify gang members involved in crimes;
(ii) track the movement of gangs and members throughout the region;
(iii) coordinate law enforcement response to gang violence;
(iv) enhance officer safety;
(v) provide realistic, up-to-date figures and statistical data on gang crime and violence;
(vi) forecast trends and respond accordingly; and
(vii) more easily solve crimes and prevent violence.; and

(D) be subject to guidelines, issued by the Attorney General, specifying the criteria for adding information to the database, the appropriate period for retention of such information, and a process for removing individuals from the database, and prohibiting disseminating gang information to any entity that is not a law enforcement agency, except aggregate statistical information where appropriate.

HOW SCARY IS THAT?

WORD IS

Wipe out race discrimination. Inspire sensibility.

uncdec01

10-27-2007, 02:06 AM

I was at my Mother In Law's house when I received the alert on my phone about the Georgia Supreme Court decision releasing Genarlow, and rushed back to update the website! Tomorrow is my birthday, what a great birthday present this was!

Thank you so much for all you do!!! It is on the backs of people like you that the movement continues.

I read the book you recommended "Diagnosing the Destuction of young men". I could not put it down, I read the entire book last night. It was truely eye opening. I am actually re reading it now. Everyone should read this, I am going to pass it around to everyone I Know. I wept through many parts, I can not believe our youth are being destroyed right in front of our eyes.

CarolynW

10-27-2007, 11:33 AM

Thank you so much for all you do!!! It is on the backs of people like you that the movement continues.

I read the book you recommended "Diagnosing the Destuction of young men". I could not put it down, I read the entire book last night. It was truely eye opening. I am actually re reading it now. Everyone should read this, I am going to pass it around to everyone I Know. I wept through many parts, I can not believe our youth are being destroyed right in front of our eyes. ................for some reason this posted twice....please see next post..........

CarolynW

10-27-2007, 11:40 AM

Thank you so much for all you do!!! It is on the backs of people like you that the movement continues.

I read the book you recommended "Diagnosing the Destuction of young men". I could not put it down, I read the entire book last night. It was truely eye opening. I am actually re reading it now. Everyone should read this, I am going to pass it around to everyone I Know. I wept through many parts, I can not believe our youth are being destroyed right in front of our eyes. If you don't mind, I'll pass what you just said along to the author, Chris Cannon. I'm in the process now of assisting him with editing his book for the second edition, and I know he will be happy to hear what you have to say about it. :)

SirNoseDevo

10-27-2007, 01:57 PM

Everyone seems to have a certain organization or group that's
fighting against this unfair Justice, Racism, and many other
odds that's againsted the Black race. One of the major problems
in Black American is each have its own agenda. Instead of coming
together as one, and fighting the problem together.

Situations like this can divide the Black movement in today's society,
and yet most of us is talking about the so-called losted generation
of black young men and women. If you are going to carry the message
about people fighting the struggling battle. Speak about the American
Black movement in general.

Personally, I do not see where Jessie Jackson's Rainbow Coalition is
doing anymore then any other Community activists organization, but
what I do see is loving to be in the spotlight (or should I say being
in front of the camera).

You all see how fast Bush rushed to the California fires, and why Katrina
did not get that kind of reaction from the government or the President?
Don't think for one minute that our younger generation don't see that,
but we are saying that our young generation is losted, and do our young
generation have any role models to look up to besides Gangster Rappers?

Let's not become selfish or self-centered in this struggle, and remember
there's others who care just like you do. I have been on this forum a
few months, and I see more twisting subjects then I do someone offering
a positive solution. I will always speak about anything that's holding our
back, and is keeping us from moving forward in this society with the Field
and House negros at large.

One of my friends visited this forum thread, and said to me that the last
part of this topic is discriminating against our black generation. I had to
study the topic really hard, but I also kinda agree with my friend, and I
have asked this question here on this thread....What about the White
generation that's losted about the meaning of racism or discrimination?

So far I don't believe nobody is wanting to touch that, and still that
question do have a impact on what's happening now.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

uncdec01

10-27-2007, 11:17 PM

If you don't mind, I'll pass what you just said along to the author, Chris Cannon. I'm in the process now of assisting him with editing his book for the second edition, and I know he will be happy to hear what you have to say about it. :)

Oh Wow, I would love that because the book was truly awesome, I have a few minor suggestions how it can be improved, I will send them to you once I complete my second reading. I am so happy you suggested this book to me, it really expanded my knowledge.

CarolynW

10-28-2007, 10:07 AM

Oh Wow, I would love that because the book was truly awesome, I have a few minor suggestions how it can be improved, I will send them to you once I complete my second reading. I am so happy you suggested this book to me, it really expanded my knowledge.
When I first read it, I went through highlighting things I wanted to bring to the author's attention so he could correct them for the next printing, and that's how I ended up being his editor, ha! I'm working on editing the manuscript now, so if you find additional things I'd appreciate hearing them, as I may have missed them.

tjrdevon

10-28-2007, 11:59 AM

I find that after Studying Carter Woodson, Booker Washington, Marcus Garvey, Louis Farrakan, Malcom X, Marcus Garvey, Martin King Jr.,Nelson Mandella, Ron Karenga, that Ron Karenga has the BEST PLAN for African Americans because his Kawaiida Philosophy puts a lot of emphisis on VALUES and it is defined as " A African communitarian philosophy which is an ongoing SYNTHISIS,of the BEST of African THOUGHT and PRACTICE with CONSTANT EXCHANGE with the WORLD!!!! ( YOU REMEBER,NGUZO SABA/KWANZAA?) It is based on the GOOD! Who can argue about the GOOD? I want to suggest a Debate on this subject with a MODERATOR! We always for the most part act like we don't know how to change our peoples behavior more towards the GOOD! Come out of denial about who we are and study and practice your own Culture. And Stop Running away from This Cultural Conversation! Saying "COME ON PEOPLE", just ain't gone get-it. Nothin from Nothin leaves Nothin!! Learning something about yourself is the Begining.

TERRY the imperfect MAN!!
tjrdevon@hotmail.com

SirNoseDevo

10-28-2007, 07:32 PM

We have people who seem to overstep or avoid the crisis, and the
issues that faces us in today's society. What Dr King or anyone
else did will never be forgotten, but we are living in a world where
we must think for ourselves, and another reason why our youth is
losted today is because of misguided people.

Here is my vision of the white man in America today. He's the wolf and
we are the sheep. Anytime a Shepherd or pastor, teach you and me not
to run from the white man and, at the sametime teaches us not to fight
the the white man..he's a traitor to you and me.

Remember Uncle Tom? Well the slavemaster gave Tom four things.
He made sure that Tom was dressed well, made sure that Tom ate
good, allowed him to get a little education, and Tom looked good
in the long coat and top hat. That was to allow the other slaves
to look up to Tom, but most of all Tom was used to control the slaves,
and the same strategy that was used then is being used today by
the uses of the almighty dollar.

In closing, Has America losted a generation of Black youth? or have
the parents (regardless to single or not) losted control of their own
child(ren)?

Sir Nose DeVoid of Funk

buShwHacKed

10-29-2007, 05:54 AM

What are we to expect when our religious/community leaders tell us that all we need to do is let God handle it? Typically 90% of the church's resources goes toward serving itself with only 10% going toward non-proselytized community outreach. This approach bears a resemblance to the impoverished brotha who spends 90% of his paycheck on a new set of rims. The results are the same.

Christianity is more about selflessness or altruism and less about selfishness or blessings. Yet, on any given day the average black person in the United States speaks more of being blessed and less about being selfless or altruistic. Just compare the number of vehicles in the church parking lot on a given Sunday to the number of vehicles in the parking lot for civic meetings during the weekdays. Expecting anything less than losing an entire generation of black men is the result of a voodoo-like approach to social problem solving.

Tmo7

10-29-2007, 11:00 AM

To: Michael Baisden
From: Tommy McGee

I would like to speak with you about finding my son cameron. I would also like to grant you an opportunity to interview me in regards to my life and the black statue of liberty composition that has somehow amazed an entire nation.

Please contact me and or continue to contact me in the now. WE MUST TALK.

I have heard some people call me the Lion of Judah. What does it mean?

I am not afraid to post my personal phone number (803) 420-4921. Prepaid, currently with minutes. Call me today!

If I am being video taped 24/7 and the mother of my child is tring to keep me from him, then let this interview be the words to end all words.

Please help me because my child is waiting and deserves the right to know his father and to receive an apology.

If you have called, my phone does not ring. I have tried to call you on the same day of the previous post but the phone line has always been busy. One of my co-workers was listening to the show; I tried to listen from the other side of the building.

These are the things I heard:
I heard the voice of a young boy possibly, cameron
If you explained the lion of judah, the only thing I heard was:"thats why we call you the lion of Judah"
I heard the voice of someone I loved, whom I call gizmo now.
The rest is a blur.

Please help me to understand what is happening so I can defeat whatever it is that is causing me to look like I am playing games.

I don't understand why or how but I am almost certain that somehow people or someone is reading my mind. Somethings that I only thought, you were responding to. We must find out who is blocking the phone calls.

The most safe way for us to communicate is to talk face-to-face. Whom ever is mediating my thoughts to the world is not allowed speak on my behalf.

If I must I will quit my job and drive to Houston to meet you. I will do so immediately. I am suspecting foul play by witchcraft and sourcery. This is the boundary that I must break.
Because it is causing division among all people. Please post or email a reply to me.

I'm not playing games. I am the victim and guinea pig ?

banksat

10-29-2007, 02:10 PM

As a twenty year old black man I am constantly asked "why is that you dressed that way" or "why do you listen to that type of music?" Now these questions all come from people who don't know me well enough to know whether I am really all black. Many people past judgment to our generation as a whole while very rarely highlighting our good points. Though I do agree that my generation seems to act as if they have no shame and no way but the wrong way. But at the same time where do we get these ideas from? Indeed all of the criticism that we get is fitting but if we look to the older men in our lives for advice shouldn't they be just as much of the problem as we are. I am currently a student at Virginia Commonwealth University so that means that I have a few years of education. Since I have been here I have taken a few African American classes and the question I like to pose is "Why are the elders of our race constantly looking at the product of the problem?" When a first grade student gets his or her report card at the end of a term and the grade is not to the parents liking the first thing they want to know is what was their child doing to deserve this grade. So why not ask yourselves what did you as the "older, wiser generation" do that causes the younger generation to act in the way that we do.

I think it is about time that as teachers and advisers you guys need to go back and reformulate the issues at hand so that the younger generation understands that things still are not equal. Please do not misinterpret my message as a disrespectful for one but simply understand it to be a young men of this lost generation who is asking for the men that I admire to stop judging and begin changing some minds. I notice that men of all generations respond to capital and power, so why is that only men that we see on TV and in our society with both of those traits either sell or sold drugs or they will never show up in our neighborhoods. With that I feel as though they count us out if we are not from a suburban neighborhood. So I am begging my older black men of power to go to these neighborhoods and prove that there are easy ways to gain capital and power other than being in a gang or being a "dope-boy."

honeym8

10-29-2007, 05:18 PM

THE DOUBLE STANDARD

WRITTEN BY CARL G BROWN © 2007

America…what mixed signals are you sending?

When white celebrities get caught

Driving drunk or stoned on drugs

But it is really not their fault?

They are too stressed out…at their breaking point (yeah right!)

Because of fame and the childhood they’ve missed

So America makes up excuses

And gives them a slap upon their wrist

When a white NBA referee

Can place major bets on all the games

But the issue is considered so unimportant by America

That no one remembers the cheater’s name

When a President can deceive and lie

About the reasons for going to war

And there is no movement to impeach his ass

On America’s congressional floor

But whenever a black man is accused

Or falls short of what is right

America offers him no excuses

Then it turns the screws real tight

America plasters his face and name

All across the radio, TV and front page

The slightest infraction by any brother

Is a cause for America’s rage

The media will put him on full blast

He will make headline news for quite awhile

Until the brother is found guilty

Way before any type of trial

While Lindsay L and Paris H

Can demolish classic cars

All of our “Michaels” from Vick to Jackson

Are threaten with years behind iron bars

Is it such a coincidence

That whenever the skin is black…

America will readily sound the alarm

And go on the attack?

Or is it that the “Double Standard”

Is still in full effect?

Where the white man’s sense of justice

Is still…the black man’s worse regret…

(What is it America?)

Shamazingj

10-29-2007, 06:14 PM

I agree it is that simple. If only each one teach one. We can do it as a team. I have a daughter and I do as much as I can in relation to what was posted as it applies to a female. Any chance I have to come in contact with male youth I will also do the same.

BrooklynMom

10-29-2007, 07:16 PM

can anyone post a link to the audio or transcript of the Michael Baisden show that preceded this topic? I was told about it by a friend who was listening and I wanted to check it out. Thanks so much. This is a great thread.

Brooklyn Mom

uncdec01

10-30-2007, 09:04 AM

J-one

10-30-2007, 08:56 PM

Its crazy, so many people I grew up with are getting into big trouble and worse. I actully talked to a friend of mine from high school. who calls me white because I speak with a proper accent. he calls me a sell out but he is looking at going back to jail for a 2nd time due to drug related reasons.I really liked him as a friend and I all ways tried to help him i really did. I found him A JOB!! and he quit going because he loved the streets.

my reply to this thread is that we can help young blacks all we want to but they have to want to help themselves first.

bygINCpresents

10-31-2007, 08:35 AM

I cannot give up on black boys. I've made the decision to leave my job and devote the next few years of my life telling my story about what it took for me to go from black boy to black man to human being in America. I know most folks are too busy to read these days, so I put images to my experiences and started posting on youtube at http://youtube.com/profile?user=bygINCpresents.

There is hope. I have to believe that. My life has been the fulfillment of that hope and the possibilities of America. Nothing was easy but the search to the self never is. That's what's missing today. Critical engagement in the black boys search for self-awareness. There are few guides left so the boy has to take it as his mission to find himself before he is defined.

bygINCpresents

10-31-2007, 09:21 AM

As another young black man who came of age in the 80s and 90s, I too don't think the "grey beards" have a clue what we have to deal with these days. And unfortunately, many in our age will never know what those heads had to suffer. Imagine Muhammad Ali's conscience fused with Tiger Wood's money? That's why those old guys complain. We have the money and the influence, yet... And many in our generation do not think there is anything left to fight for or we've seen our "leaders" killed, coopted and their ideas made moot. There's too much going on to focus on any one issue. It's a world of I-pods and MY-space. The individual is king. His Black soul goes lacking. The boy is sold himself nstead of being shown how to find that soul. That angers me.

The best of our Black generations have always had another road in America. I don't see enough boys talking about that journey. I intend to. What does it mean to be Black in America today? I know most have no time to read, so I've put images to words and I'm trying to remember how I came to answer that question. Visit http://youtube.com/profile?user=bygINCpresents. Look at any of the 3, 10-minute videos and let me know what you think. Dialogue has to start between brothas so we each can see the value of dialoguing with our souls.

Bless.

VAadrienne

10-31-2007, 12:11 PM

One morning , about a week ago, while driving in Atlanta, a radio announcement came on saying that almost one in every African American now have herpes and most don't even know it. My immediate response was to feel anger of always hearing these negative lies that are being deliberately perpetuated about us, but my feelings of anger was overtaken by the feeling of sadness. The sadness that I felt for those blacks that believe these many negative statistics to be true about themselves.
Sadly today most African Americans are unaware that they are ongoing victims of false mis-information that are deliberately designed to meet the U.S. government's racist objective of maintaining its white dominance. You see although the U.S. Government openly professes equality for all of its citizens, its secret unrelenting commitment towards maintaining its white dominance has always resulted in it reincarnating newer methods of institutionalized racism against the advancement of its black population. Such as seen where after the abolishedment of slavery Jim crow laws were then implemented.

Today, since the means of maintaining its white economic and political control used in the past are no longer morally and socially acceptable,and because the U.S. Government’s sociologist and psychologist were well aware of the fact that those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable, it became necessary to modify their methods of exploiting and suppressing its Black population into a form more socially acceptable with contemporary times; thus creating a more sophisticated system of white racism that deliberately wears only the appearance, if any, of being totally self afflicted by African Americans themselves. [A sophisticated system of covert white racism of were blacks are made to believe that the playing fields are now even and that their failures are all totally their own.]
Today’s modern method of white racism in the United States is for more sophisticated, elaborated and proficient then any system of racism previously faced by African Americans-yes even slavery. It is now implemented through the American educational, judicial and prison systems-- and prevails and is concealed through the usage of Psychological Warfare implemented through the national media that fosters a consensual environment for its unethical undertaking. It is now secretly applied through the government’s proven method of Covert Counterintelligence Program. Although the formal COINTELPRO covert operations employed by the FBI directed against African Americans during the period of 1956-1971 was discontinued [upon the surface]. However, in truth--because the nineteen sixties were a period of massive black rebellion and unrest that caused the U.S. Government to feared the uprising of a violent revolution-- the FBI did not actually cease its formal domestic counterintelligence programs against African Americans, but instead actually advanced it more broadly and secretively. Today there is a far more sophisticated and massive counterintelligence program being implemented against the entire African American population.
Today the United States Government uses mis-education, false statistics and negative propaganda media reports that equates a psychological warfare that conspires to corrupt blacks of unity, reason, and common sense, thus deliberately soliciting the disparity that has now become modern Black America as a mean of meeting its objective of maintaining white dominance in the United States . Here is a simplified analogy of the psychological aspect of this modern system of racism that is now being implemented against America ’s Black population. Let us say, for example, that a group of people was aboard their own massive ship and that their ship was being shadowed by another neighboring ship, a neighboring ship that was constantly broadcasting derogatory messages to the first group that their ship was lesser, smaller, not seaworthy or perhaps slowly sinking or that their crew was incompetent or was planning a mutiny. With time, the group receiving the negative messages, being unable to refute or to confirm these derogatory messages and deficiencies will grow weary and paranoid of the negative messages and will eventually comes to accept these negative assessments of themselves. The perception created by the taunting now unconsciously influences how the taunted group perceives themselves, subsequently causing them to become distrustful of themselves, doubting themselves, hating themselves and, eventually, fighting among themselves. The taunted group may even become so besieged by deep feelings of inadequacy that they may even jump into the sea and attempt to swim towards the taunting ship now believing it to be superior to their own boat even if their own ship was in fact better.
This concept of warfare uses psychology to affect the unconscious mind through deception. Its weapon is the message that it carries and the way this message affects the recipients in terms of their behavior. Within a real world setting, this is implemented against African Americans through U.S. governmental agencies that leak false derogatory press releases, documentaries, and media information concerning its Black population that are designed to perpetuate and frame the myth of Whites’ racial, moral, and ethical superiority over its Black population. Its collaborators in the news media, which either knowingly or unknowingly carry the false information or create their own false information through news releases in magazine articles, radio, and television, work to demoralize, discourage, berate, subjugate, and or dismantle the Black population. The weapon is not the way it is sent, but the messages that it carries and how the messages affect the recipient and influence society.
This perversion of reality insinuates that America would be a better society as a whole if African Americans were gone, thus psychologically changing the root problem of racism in America to be due to Black’s behavior rather than White’s proclivity for racism. This shift of victimization that the problem of racism in America is due to the fault of African Americans, is perpetuated unrelentingly everywhere through the media. This campaign engenders distorted perceptions and increasingly prejudiced and acrimonious beliefs about its African American population that creates a consensual environment that facilitates the easier exploitation and suppression of Black America through the governments unfair justice system. Today because of this campaign of negative psychological warfare no one else questions the fact of why blacks are so disproportionately incarcerated. [For when contempt of Blacks appears to be justifiable, it is the fiercest and most effective type of racism because its witnesses, bystanders, and jurors will sit by idly allowing African Americans to be brutally mistreated under the belief that it is justified.]

This is a monumental disclosure that the U.S. Government does not ever want realized by its African American population. Today Blacks in America are victims of a more prevalent and detrimental system of covert white racism. In 1968 [after the assassination of Dr. King] when the earlier more blatant system of white racism used in the past to maintain white dominance had ran its course, thus became no longer moral and socially acceptable, the United States Government secretly reincarnated its method of suppressing and exploiting its black population.
Although this modern method of governmental white racism covertly also uses the American educational system to mortifyingly mis-educate and disesteem black students and the judicial and prison systems to severely reduce black growth and upward mobility by reducing black America’s ability to procreate and to vote thus to maintain its white dominance. However the most significant and detrimental aspect of this modern system of white governmental racism used today in America is its aspect of using psychological warfare against African Americans.
The worst aspect of this psychological warfare is not how it adversely affect race relations in America, but instead how it cause many blacks to perceive themselves and their community as a whole. It produces self hatred and division the pulverizes black unity thus reducing black upward mobility. Through the national media --at the behest of the Government--African Americans are being deliberately bombarded by false negative derogatory misinformation and statistics that are designed divide, confused and produced internalized racism and self hatred among its African American population and to produce a consensual environment for Black suppression .
The negative derogatory information and statistics that falsely perpetuates white moral and intellectual superiority over its black population,are being deliberately disseminated through the national media to create a consensual environment -before the world audience- that allows the U.S. government to disproportionately mistreat it's Black population through its judicial and prison systems.[its justifies the disproportioned incarceration of its black populous] Moreover, it also meets the government's objective of maintaining its white dominance by producing psychological feelings among its Black population that pulverizes Black unity thus reducing black upward mobility. Moreover, it is this ongoing secret governmental operation that is the core factor of the now unprecedented profound division, confused outlook, and many disparities now afflicting modern Black America.
The Black psyche has been so bombarded by negative misinformation of themselves that many will disregard this monumental disclosure as being pure nonsense. in fact because of the success of this Governmental psychological warfare it has becomes literally easier, for many blacks to actually accept the belief that the problem of Black America has more to to due with themselves than that of white racism. This campaign has been so successful that today many blacks may even attack another black person for making this claims that white racism is still the core problem in America.

Although this may sound a bit like bad science fiction, Psychological Warfare is a real and well-proven technology that exceeds the territorial limits of conventional warfare to penetrate the proposed target. This type of psychological warfare has been used by the military since World War II. The British Special Operation Executives (SOE) was pioneering this form of propaganda during the Second World War. The British Government, between1930-1940, conducted psychological warfare against Germany, by putting together a massive department staffed by many former journalists that conducted secret journalism and planted favorable stories in the world's press. Generally using friendly newspapers editors, but also using bribery to get pro-allied stories in print, British pilots also dropped propaganda leaflets and spread rumors concerning Germany 's relations with France and other aspects of the war. Although the usage of psychological warfare began within a military setting, it was eventually realized by governmental and societal elites that this method of psychological warfare could be useful for totally controlling society. Therefore, psychological warfare technology evolved from its military usage against foreign enemies to being used to control society domestically. Today, the U.S. government, like many other developed nations, conducts planned campaigns of extensive strategic psychological operations through the national media to influence the perception and climate of the nation towards the attainment of its governmental objectives. Participating federal agencies may include the National Security Council, The Office of Strategic Council, The Central Intelligence Agency, and The Federal Bureau of Investigations. However, when it is executed domestically it is more often commonly referred to by governmental and military officials as psychological operations [PSYOPs] rather than Psychological Warfare.
The ability to influence the nation in mass using psychological operations through the national media is highly effective because the media itself is very powerful in terms of its influence. For the media helps shape our views of the world, what we consider to be good or bad, and also forges our deepest values, identities, and our sense of what it means, for example, to be male or female. These facts, combined with those studies showing that the average American watches 18 hundred hours of television each year, affirm that there is a great inclination for Americans to be affected by psychological operations conducted through the national media.

The reason psychological warfare is so unknown to most Americans is because its very nature is to be covert, and because it is not the stuff of adventure and the excitement of war that films or novels portray. However, psychological warfare is a real, sound, and proven governmental technology that has been used by the U.S. Government for many decades, and its usage is ongoing even now. For as recently as July 2004, a story was reported by the New York Times that the Defense Department had paid the Rendon Group, a Washington-based international consulting firm, $100,000 per month to help the Office of Strategic Information (OSI) with a broad campaign that would include negative propaganda or disinformation. The report stated that the OSI was established to spread positive messages about the war on terrorism, but it would also use disinformation and misinformation to mislead friends and foe alike. The report went on to say that the office of Strategic Influence had been set up to disseminate truthful information openly but also to spread what senior pentagon officials called "the Blackest of Black programs.” The organization works on ways to influence and mislead the media abroad and also domestically in America, such as spreading positive messages about the war on terrorism or perpetuating disinformation through its frequent collusion with news media personnel to publish false and distorted material at the government's behest.
This is not some conspiracy theory premise that perpetuates Black defeatism. Nor is this a case of one peddling victim-hood in a frivolous attempt to absolve our race of our own responsibilities. This is the truth! The truth that we have been trained not to see-- trained by the false world that has been pulled over our eyes. When ever white our allowed to run the score board, thus being allowed to be the score keepers, they will used psychological warfare that perpetuates their superiority over others groups. Have history not already shown us this? By doing so, the United States Government acquired a far more insidious and covert method of ensuring that its white dominance is maintained that exists behind a clever shroud of secrecy and deceit — for it is in this way that the evils of racism thrive best -- when its victims do not recognize the evil.

To learn more or to get a copy of this book "the Black Matrix please to www.divineblack truth.org

Franklin Jones (thanubian@yahoo.com)

rickfreeman2

10-31-2007, 04:25 PM

As an african american male who grew up in the hood . In some cases its all in how they were brought up and there community. I beat the odds. Just about everybody I hung around in high school went to college, not because we where better but because we stayed active; both in school activities and playing sports. We as black people need to give a helping hand to those who need help such as; more after school programs in these urban areas, to have more role models more african americans should take up education classes to become teachers, and do this around the community (community service). I'm a mathematics major and I want to be a role model to the up and coming generations by improving their math skills because most of the people I know hate math. If you can understand math you will understand a lot in life.

SirNoseDevo

10-31-2007, 05:20 PM

I am so proud of what our brothers in Philly are doing, I think this should be replicated in other cities. It may not have an immediate impact, but it will begin to let the youth know that we have not forgotten them or thrown them away. No matter what we still care and love them.

http://www.10000menphilly.com/

Don't you realize that there is Brothers & Sisters all over
America is doing the samething that's happening in Philly?
Detroit,Chicago,Cleveland,Atlanta,L.A,etc,etc,etc is doing
the samething, but no one outside of them cities really
know what they are doing except the inside, and this is
what I posted about earlier honor those who are helping
themselves.

Another good reason why our youth is losted today.
Is because one person is getting praise when there
is others who is dealing with the same issues.WE
can't ignore our younger generation of people, or can
we criticize them, and expect them to be perfect citizens.

What I am seeing on this thread is a bunch of single Mothers
dogging the Brothers for not being around, but what is the
real reason? Could the real reason be because some of you
did not want the Father around, or maybe your Parents did
not want the Father around.

I opened a case today where the young lady is 17 years old.
She has a 6 month old son, and she have resentment against
her parents for having the baby's 18 year old Father locked up.
So the parents filed a complaint against her as being unruly,
and the stae has stepped in because of the girl's age.

Can you picture how that young lady's future will be?, and
what about the 6 month old baby's future?
What needs to be done is the elder generation needs to wake
up to the fact that most of us wasn't all that perfect when we
was growing up. Plus instead of always downing the young
generation do something to help them.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

Hi Fi

10-31-2007, 09:20 PM

Fatherless Pride--

It's my prayer that Black Men reclaim their children--Dad, where ever you are...I made it--but I needed you.

I hear you.
I'm there for my child, but I now understand why some men walk away.
Too often I see that when relationships break up in our community, whoever mom happens to be hanging out with at the time becomes the male figure (usually only temporarily) and the only involvement she wants from the kids biological father is child support. Give me money but stay away. That's part of the reason why our community's family structure is so raggedy. I'm not saying that's the story in your case, but it's typical.

SirNoseDevo

10-31-2007, 09:44 PM

Men should be mens (that's a true statement), but what about
the Mothers who isn't Mothers? Thats when the title statement
question should be asked. Also Black Brothers should start being
the Father image, due to the fact that society is so set against
us Brothers, and they are overlooking the Mothers.

I am not typing this statement to bad mouth Mothers, but what
I am doing is defending the real Fathers, and everytime I read a
post where a female is bad mouthing the male I think that they
should look at themselves.

Parents and Grandparents should step outside of being selfish
when it comes to our young generation that's currently coming
up, and teach them how to love what they do plus feel good
about themselves.

So before you want to point fingers at someone take a good look
at yourself. Regardless if the Child(ren) are natural or step love
and care for them anyway, and once they get to adulthood they
would remember what's right.

Sir Nose DV of Funk

pixie-38

10-31-2007, 11:32 PM

SirNoseDevo

11-01-2007, 03:55 AM

I READ MOST OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SPOKEN ON THIS SICKENING TOPIC.

I must however respond this way, it is disheartening, when we as a people speak, and then put forth the action to help our young black men to achieve and strive for greatness.
But heres the reality from my own opinion, of being on both sides of this.
MOST OF THEM ARE ANGRY AS HELL. And can't express it to no one, but themselves and then justify crimes that they commit.
FOR ALL THE WOMEN WHO READ THIS WHO ARE RAISING BOYS, TAKE THE ADVICE FROM THE COMMENTS ON THE COMMENTARY!!!
AND CREATE THE BEST ENVIRONMENT AND SURROUNDINGS FOR THOSE MALE CHILDREN YOU CALL SON(S).
I not only faults our black fathers for abdonement, BUT I DEFINATELY FAULT THE MOMS// BECAUSE SHE HAS GIVEN UP ON HER YOUNG, CAUSE DADDY DID!!! AND HELL EVERYBODY IN THE HOUSE IS SCARED.

WHOSE POSITION IS IT ANYWAY???:rolleyes:
We as a race (black) whether female or male, must commit ourselves to the full development of our people. It's pretty dog on sad when I see young men seriously without a direction, just with a projection of what's going on now in their lives, not thinking about a tomorrow.

Right On Pixie..with your post. You the first real poster that made any
senses. True, this is one sick topic that's getting beat like a rug with
dust, due to the fact that there is to much blame being shifted to one
side instead of bothsides, and discussing our own Black youth is a black
thing. Let me be alittle bit plainer to those who don't understand pure
english.

For instants Whites seem to think that they know about the pain that
the Black race is experience. They also think that they can tell us alots
better how to raise our children, and they can't handle their own kids.
I look at today's society of the young losted generation of white kids.
They are more confused then we will ever be, due to the fact that
the majority of them comes from a home that's without a struggle,and
our youth has struggled so long without one of the parents or neither
parents until nothing matter to them.

What I stated above may sound abit racist, but its a part of reality
that we all should face, and talking down to our youth will not solve
anything. Another issue that I have with this topic is those who do
reply makes me wonder if they have children? or are they blabber
mouthing about what they seen is taking place with our Black youth.

In closing, like I have said over and over again stop talking about the
bad, and start making bad things good.

Sir Nose DeVoid of Funk

Spicy

11-01-2007, 12:59 PM

alphagreg1906

11-01-2007, 02:25 PM

manyangels300

11-01-2007, 02:40 PM

I agree with you on all the points that you made. We all need to pull together and take care of this problem. I don't have children but I do have children in my life that this effects. from ages 3 to 26.

It really does take a village to raise a child.

SirNoseDevo

11-01-2007, 08:03 PM

There is indeed a great percentage of Lost Balck Males in America. They have been lost to drugs, homosexuality, the misfortune of limited parental involvement in their lives, and a plethora of debilatating things that keep a boy from developing into a strong black man. Let's hope that the grass root organizations, faith based institutions, and professionals like myself who invest time, love and understanding to these young black males. Yes they're lost, but it's up to us to find them and nurture them that may become assests and not liabilities.

Spicy:)

So in your City the females are angels? Yours and other posters are
making me wonder, due to the fact all most of you do is critricize our
Black males, and very rare do I read about females being out of control.
You spoke about drugs, homosexuality, and other items that our Black
males are suffering from.

I believe that facts states that there is homosexual women. As a drug
counselor I see everyday Black women losing their minds from smoking
crack, and again its a two sided situation. What about Mothers who
have 4 kids (ages 16 down to 6), and she is strung out on crack or
other hard drugs. Does that make her better then a man? Its the same
thing that you all is pointing at the Black male for doing.

All I am saying is put the blame where it belongs, and not just on one
side of the fence. In closing, Let me reminded everyone that there's
a losted generation of youngsters in all races, and what's so hard to
accept that fact?

Sir Devoid of Funk

DJGhost

11-02-2007, 10:45 AM

I stumbled upon this post - and I didn't even have to read the whole thing before forming a response because I live it everyday. I've even become the guardian of my 13 year old nephew - thinking he won't be like these boys I teach - but the pull and the romanticism of being a "thug" is so strong it is amazing. Still it is not a fight I intend to give in on. Unfortunately, too many parents do.

I teach high school special education. I am in full agreement with anyone who says there are a disproportionate number of African-Americans in special education - or the new political term now is Exceptional Child Education - and from my experiences I have to say it all points - for the most part - to home. I can't tell you how many heated exchanges I've had with parents because I'm "picking" on their child by trying to make them do right or hard on them to get them to learn. I always ask the parent - "Do you think the world is going to go easy on them?!" and "What are they going to do if you were gone tomorrow?" My classroom is a no-nonsense, life, career, personal/social skills curriculum. What we are realizing is there was a generation where babies were having babies in droves. This group of children are now in high school, dropping out, or staying in but poisoning those who are trying and unfortunately influencing those who are on the fence, selling and/or using drugs joining gangs and so forth. They are also raising themselves. As one student I am trying to keep employed said to me recently after quitting a REALLY good job in construction - "I'm not going to do this 'busta' job when I'm making more than that on the corner in a day'" which broke my heart. I almost screamed at him trying to get him to see that that money is a)blood money and b) temporary money since he probably wouldn't be around long to enjoy it or the people he deals with will come for his children - yes, he has two children already at age 17.

I've even physically put myself in between my students and gang members (unfortunately my students are mostly gang members as well) if they tell me they want to learn. I mean my pre-schooler can read circles around my 16 and 17 year old students and unfortunately I'm not exaggerating.
This is only a small - very small - piece of stories I can share.

I'm going to post the "plan" on the wall of my classroom to remind myself of my gameplan to fight what I feel is a disease in our culture - complacency with failure because it's "not my fault anyway" (another common quote from my students). This can be cured but it's going to take the village...

Save our children

11-02-2007, 03:58 PM

Right now in Nashville, TN we have 200+ Africian American boys between the ages of 6-16yrs old -who has contacted our agency to say they would like to have a positive adult mentor in their life. This number is in the thousands if I count the agencies across the States. These children OUR children has said they want a Big Brother. These children have been approved and have been waiting anywhere between 6months to a 1yr for a positive role model to step-up and become their Big Brother. Our children is crying out for help! THEY NEED YOU NOW -NOT LATER!

HOW DO YOU GET STARTED?
Call 1-888-412-BIGS it will direct you to the agency nearest your zip code or log onto www.bbbs.org to apply and a Big Brothers Big Sisters representative will contact you.

Doing nothing is not an option. We need your time, talent or treasure to make a difference in OUR childrens lives today.

Sandy Moore
615-329-9191x219 wrk
615-480-8905 cell

WORD IS

11-02-2007, 09:07 PM

READ THE RED WORDS.

A Christian, by definition, is a follower of Jesus Christ; someone who patterns his life after the teachings of Christ. For Christians, His words, and only His words, are the lamp that lights the way out of darkness. In the King James Version, His words, the words spoken by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, are printed in red. These are the Red Words.

Jesus did not teach hate. He taught two commandments that we are to honor and obey above all others: to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind; and to love thy neighbor as thyself. These are the Red Words.

The Reverends Gary Aldridge, Jerry Falwell, Ted Haggard, and others like them are Beasts of Bigotry who take the Lord’s name in vain by calling themselves Christians. The most precisely sacrilegious display of total contempt for the one known as Jesus of Nazareth or his teachings is this: to advocate hate in His name. These self-appointed arbiters of Christian values and moral standards identify and decry as Godless scum any who refuse to yield to their despotic will. They advocate hate. They do not follow the teachings of Christ. They are not Christians. To represent themselves as such is nothing more than unadulterated blasphemy.

READ THE READ WORDS.

HATERS BE TRAITORS
Some vehement self-proclaimed Christians
Judge others with no rhyme and no reason.
Such hurtful behavior
Disgraces our Savior,
To Whom hate is Holy high treason.

WORD IS
Wipe out race discrimination. Inspire sensibility.

WORD IS

11-03-2007, 01:09 AM

“You’re not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality.
Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or who says it.”-- Malcolm X

The Supreme Court's 1857 Dred Scott decision cited a litany of state laws demonstrating that Blacks had long been widely regarded as a "subordinate" and "subjugated race." The Civil War did nothing to change the Court’s opinion. Soon after the war ended, the Court wrote, "The colored race, as a race, was abject and ignorant, and in that condition was unfitted to command the respect of those who had superior intelligence." In many states, teaching a Black child to read was a crime punishable by fine or imprisonment.

Frederick Douglass attributed his resolve to learn to the following childhood experience:

Very soon after I went to live with Mr. and Mrs. Auld, she very kindly commenced to teach me the A, B, C. After I had learned this, she assisted me in learning to spell words of three and four letters. Just at this point of my progress, Mr. Auld found out what was going on, and at once forbade Mrs. Auld to instruct me further, telling her, among other things, that it was unlawful, as well as unsafe, to teach a slave to read. To use his own words, further, he said, 'If you give a nigger an inch, he will take an ell. A nigger should know nothing but to obey his master - to do as he is told. Learning would spoil the best nigger in the world. Now,' said he, 'if you teach that nigger (speaking of myself) how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave. He would at once become unmanageable, and of no value to his master.'

In 1954, Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote in Brown v. Board of Education:

Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law; for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. A sense of inferiority affects the motivation of a child to learn. Segregation with the sanction of law, therefore, has a tendency to retard the educational and mental development of Negro children and to deprive them of some of the benefits they would receive in a racial(ly) integrated school system

More than fifty years later, perceptions of white supremacy and Black inferiority persist. African Americans are stereotyped as lazy, intellectually inferior, irresponsible, sexually promiscuous, with no sense of family values. Writes Law Professor Joan Howarth, in Representing Black Male Innocence¸ “Race as a form of seeing, or recognizing, is evidenced by the way that Black men are seen as criminals. Ordinary Black men frighten white men, women and children. To many non Blacks, crime means Black; Black male means criminal.”

[T]he Black man presently being recognized by mainstream society is not the Black man who invented the cotton gin; he is not the Black man who pioneered the development of blood transfusions; he is not the Black man who performed miracles with the peanut; he is not the Black man who fought tirelessly for civil rights and women's rights in the 1800s; and he is not the Black man who in the late 1960s led Black people on a journey to the "promised land." Instead, the Black man recognized by mainstream society today is fearsome, threatening, unemployed, irresponsible, potentially dangerous, and generally socially pathological.

“So every Black man is seen as a criminal; and Black criminals in a group or gang are seen as a new breed of inhuman beasts. And, more and more, the distinction between ordinary Black man and Black gang member is disappearing.” Educational practices and policies are not exempt from wide-spread and commonly accepted racial stereotyping.

In Charlotte, NC, Republican county commissioner Bill James sent an e-mail to 1,272 people saying that teachers can't reach children who grow up in a "moral sewer full of promiscuity that leads to illegitimate kids and a continuing cycle of poverty which no one wants to address. That immorality impacts negatively the lives of these children and creates an environment where education is considered 'acting white' and lack of education is a 'plus' in their world."

At a Princeton Township public forum, special investigator John Antinoro from the NJ Dept. of Corrections told concerned parents how to pinpoint gang-related activity: "If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it's probably a duck." Quacks? Walks? Looks? Like what? Black?

In Charlotte, NC, Black students represent 42% of the enrollment, but 75% of the suspensions, two-thirds of which are for nonviolent, subjective infractions such as disruptive behavior, insubordination, tardiness, or dress code violations. The problem is further exacerbated by over-referral of Black students to the juvenile justice system. In Palm Beach, Black students represent 29% of student enrollment, but 64% of the school arrests. There is a persistent disconnect between public perception and realty. While the public perceives Black boys as gang members who threaten school safety, the CDC reports that white students are more than 50% more likely to have taken a weapon to school.

Negative racial stereotypes reinforce the assumption that academics are meant for whites. They are reflected in the high percentage of minority students assigned to remedial classes, in their exclusion from honors classes, in their disproportionate number of suspensions and expulsions. By the time they reach high school, 42 % of all African American boys have failed an entire grade at least once. In Wake County, NC, where minority students represent 38.5% of student enrollment, 82% of the white students graduate from high school, but only 61.4 % of Black students.

Many people want to blame parent participation for low achievement, but poorly trained teachers put our minority students at a greater disadvantage. White public school teachers are not prepared, emotionally, culturally, or professionally to work with minority children, especially Black boys and often over-react to minor cultural differences. Teenage boys are prone to physical movement and aggressive interactions with their peers. When Black teenage boys display typical characteristics, racial intolerance or misinterpretation of their verbal, behavioral, or cognitive style cause them to labeled trouble-makers

Children tend to live up to the expectations others have of them. A teacher’s expectations of how well a student will perform academically become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Several years ago, a friend of mine visited her son’s third grade classroom. All the Black children, including my friend’s son, were seated at the back of the classroom. When asked about her seating arrangement, the white teacher explained that she thought it most productive to have the bright children who paid attention to her lessons seated at the front of the classroom. Apparently, the teacher never considered the possibility that a Black child could be bright and pay attention. The teacher was a recent grad from the School of Education at UNC-CH. My friend’s son is now an honor student in college.

Black students face a double bind. If they are in school, the system labels them underachievers, disrespectful, and unable to learn. If they drop out, they have no chance of a future. Negative racial stereotypes put our students under suspicion of not having adequate ability or motivation to succeed. That suspicion affects their performance and persistence. It breaks them down emotionally and academically. As a sixteen year old plaintiff in Copper v. Denlinger says, “You just don’t know. You just don’t know how hard it is. I can’t do anything. I go to the bathroom, some officer follows me. I get searched 3 or 4 times a week. I can’t talk to my friends in the hall without some teacher or assistant principal asking me why I’m not somewhere else. I can’t even ask questions in class without being accused of disrespecting the teacher.” Until his sophomore year, this young man had never been in trouble at school and had consistently made A’s and B’s in all his classes. He was athletic and played varsity basketball as a freshman. His life changed his sophomore year.

On December 13, days before the final exams, he was suspended for the remainder of the school year based on the unsubstantiated accusations of a white student, who later recanted her accusations. In May, two weeks before the end of school, the school board determined that he had been wrongly suspended. The following year, he re-enrolled for his second year as a sophomore. On December 13 [How’s that for a coincidence?], he was again suspended for the remainder of the school year after a brief scuffle initiated by another student. The entire incident lasted less than two minutes and was recorded on videotape by a school surveillance camera, but the “student due process officer” refused to permit his hearing panel to view the videotape. This young man is now in his third year as a sophomore.

Blaming Black students for their educational failure shields the white educational bureaucracy from scrutiny and accountability. The focus is locked on negative racial stereotypes rather than the failures of our educators, who are both complicit in accepting racial stereotypes and in perpetuating the racial order. Racial profiling in education is accepted as common, normal, predictable. The harder school officials look at Black students for signs of disruptive behavior, the more likely they are to find it. Meanwhile, white students escape attention. Black students facing such an uninviting racial atmosphere naturally turn to their peers for support, only to face further discouragement. Schools must be made to stop attributing every Black child’s inability to succeed academically to racial inferiority. Racial stereotyping is oppression. We must stop blaming the oppressed for their oppression.

We must accept as common knowledge that educational practices and policies are tainted by notions of Black inferiority and white supremacy, both of which we have, together, produced and allowed to continue. If we allow our Black children to be tagged with negative stereotypes, we are setting them up to face discrimination. We are putting them in the line of fire and contributing to their risk of failure, but dismantling the system is a mutual responsibility.

What can we do?

We can begin by demanding public access to information and raising public awareness about the efficacy and consequences of current school board policies. Public awareness is the heart and soul of public opinion.

We can require schools to report all disciplinary data, disaggregated by race, gender, grade, the nature of the offense, and the ultimate discipline imposed, and to make the information readily available to the public. Many states require school districts to include discipline data in their annual reports, but the information is virtually inaccessible to anyone outside the educational bureaucracy. If the school board refuses to adopt a policy of making the information locally accessible, we can make annual requests for the same information under the Freedom of Information Act.

We can learn the race, gender, and grade of every student referred to law enforcement, what misconduct led to students’ arrests, what criminal charges were brought, and of those, how many were ultimately dismissed.

We can scrutinize the disciplinary policies to determine whether they specifically identify what conduct is prohibited and the consequences for each infraction. Many so-called “gang policies” place students at risk of suspension or expulsion for possessing “anything that may be evidence of gang-related activity.” A student with untied shoelaces, a Duke University baseball cap, and a cross earring could potentially be accused of violating this policy in four ways. Such policies grant unfettered discretion to those charged with their enforcement, open the door for race discrimination, and should be challenged as unconstitutionally vague.

We can examine disciplinary policies to determine whether they adequately protect the due process rights of students facing suspension or expulsion from school, and if so, whether the policies are enforced. We can insist that schools adopt a policy for students to complain of race discrimination without fear of retaliation.

Like the man said, "Wrong is wrong." Let's make it right.

donna32

11-03-2007, 07:08 AM

This article is very true. We should start educating our young black boys at early ages. Young black boys should be taught about all the obstacles that are against them because of their skin color. Black men are having difficulties adapting because they were not better taught and were educated in schools were they were taught how to apply for a job rather than how to work for themselves and create jobs for others. The future generation has to be properly educated, spiritually guided, and not lied to. You simply must be honest with your little black boy. You can begin by letting him know that he is not black, but nubian. Our young nubian sons are dropping out of school because the schools are situp for their failuare. We must teach our children at home because we as parents need to do better jobs in educating our children. It is our job to protect our kids and in doing so we must be honest about the society we live in. We are mostly judged by the color of our skin as opposed to what we know. So, before you send them off to school educate them on obstacles they may be face with while at school. This message is not only for young nubian boys, but for all young boys that are being robbed of their education and opportunity to grow into productive men.

SirNoseDevo

11-03-2007, 06:14 PM

The reason why our Black youth is losted today is because many
of us is losted as well. We yell about respect respect, and we do
not give it ourselves. I just visited a forum where a poster took
up a page and a half with one post, but I realize that I have no
control over other peoples ways of thinking, and I feel that when
we speak about a lost generation look at the entire BIG picture.

We can't respect each other on a damn machine, and can you
picture what its like in reality? If I was that site Administrator
I would ban that screen name for flooding. I guess that I am
a no non-senses guy when it comes to being for real, and we
have been held back for a long time.

Another point when discussing reality facts. Picture a young
person visiting a forum to get some positive information, and
all he or she sees is quotes from people who have lived a
full life and have departed this world. As people of the 21th
century its time to think for ourselves. Whatever Fredrick
Douglas did he did. Whatever Dr King, MalcolmX, and Angela
Davis did its done with.

Talk about your own experiences with others, and explain
how or what you did to survive(that's the best Teaching).
The white man's law will never change to suit the Black
young men and women, or will it open a door to us getting
over the hump, and these message boards is a tool to be
used to educate our young generation.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

VAadrienne

11-03-2007, 07:03 PM

http://www.letstalkhonestly.com/blacknewsblackviews.html

dcamp87

11-03-2007, 07:36 PM

Although there are strides being made in academia to incorporate multicultural programs and other elements of diversity into the educational system, black related history remains at the periphery of American studies. This assertion is best identified in classes where most discussions are void of the contributions of blacks to the structuring of the American society. Beyond enslavement and the Civil Rights Movement, the contribution of blacks is otherwise overlooked. Such neglect aids in the perpetuation of stereotypical knowledge, which renders blacks as inferior.

Furthermore, such neglect is a tragedy for students of all races and backgrounds as it offers them a linear view of America's colorful past. Until the contributions of blacks are satisfactorily mainstreamed into the basic study of American History, we must take responsibility for providing our youth with supplemental information that will boost their self-esteem and provide them a sure sense of identity through cultural awareness.

Only through education will our children learn to be more embracing and accepting of those who are different, and only through education will our children come to understand there is nothing wrong with being different; that in fact, our differences are what makes us individually special. www.simoneclub.com

Mother in Maryland

11-04-2007, 11:00 AM

I think a very important aspect of raising sons is to be aware of who your sons bond with in friendships. More than parents, teachers, ministers, and even coaches, males tend to look up to other males for advice, camaraderie and for fine-tuning their attitudes. The influence is subtle, yet so incredibly strong it can mean the difference between whether your son ends up in jail, college, or on drugs. Not to say that some young men don't have their own minds, they clearly do. But individualism is such a hard thing to come by when you're at an age of adolescence and feel pressured to make decisions before you even know what it is that you want. If a male sees his friends do a certain thing, he's likely to want to prove he can do it to. That's just part process and bravado of a developing male mind.

Friendships are a strength and gift from God, but it's within these friendships that the majority of our boys are getting lost. Allegiances to family, the law, decency, and even futures go out the window, all for the sake of pleasing a friend. Most of these friends are just as young and unlearned as our sons and haven't had any strengthening of spirit or focus themselves.

It's all well and fine to teach males to get an education, combat racism, the whole nine. But unless you're teaching them to stand strong in individualism, self-respect, and respecting the women of their race and others, they're likely to continue to be a lost generation, caught up in a system that's created by well-meaning friends.

Sometimes the enemy among us is our friends. Think about it.

Mother in Maryland.

uncdec01

11-04-2007, 12:57 PM

Don't you realize that there is Brothers & Sisters all over
America is doing the samething that's happening in Philly?
Detroit,Chicago,Cleveland,Atlanta,L.A,etc,etc,etc is doing
the samething, but no one outside of them cities really
know what they are doing except the inside, and this is
what I posted about earlier honor those who are helping
themselves.

Another good reason why our youth is losted today.
Is because one person is getting praise when there
is others who is dealing with the same issues.WE
can't ignore our younger generation of people, or can
we criticize them, and expect them to be perfect citizens.

What I am seeing on this thread is a bunch of single Mothers
dogging the Brothers for not being around, but what is the
real reason? Could the real reason be because some of you
did not want the Father around, or maybe your Parents did
not want the Father around.

I opened a case today where the young lady is 17 years old.
She has a 6 month old son, and she have resentment against
her parents for having the baby's 18 year old Father locked up.
So the parents filed a complaint against her as being unruly,
and the stae has stepped in because of the girl's age.

Can you picture how that young lady's future will be?, and
what about the 6 month old baby's future?
What needs to be done is the elder generation needs to wake
up to the fact that most of us wasn't all that perfect when we
was growing up. Plus instead of always downing the young
generation do something to help them.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

I am not sure if this was directed at me but I do not see how commending the Brothers in Philly can be interpreted as being a single mother (I do not have kids) who is dogging men. You said America is doing the same thing as what is done in Philly. I am happy that is the case, but it must not be enough because or the murder rate in philly would not be so high. No one is saying those other programs are not working or should be stopped this is just something they are doing in addition to what is already being done. How can you find fault in that?

I do not know of any other intiatives to actually go door to door in homes to speak to the youth and their parents on a massive scale. I agree 100% we need to stop blaming the youth, I am part of the "youth". So far I have seen most approches designed to talk at them instead of to and with them. I think the intiatives should be disigned in collaboration with the population it is targeted for. That is why I like the Philly intiative b/c it is about letting the youth know that someone cares about them.

You ask what do I do. I am an HIV prevention specialist. Everyday I work with youth to help them protect themselves so they do not contract HIV or other STD. This is very difficult to do when these kids do not love themselves nor do they feel they are lovable. They do not feel they are worth protecting. I also work with gang members I am successful with this group because I meet them where they are and I work with them to create realistic solutions for their environment. This requires me to really listen to them and value their opnion.
That is all alot of them really want, is to know that someone cares about them because that shows them that they matter. Which is a basic human need.

For my work I do not need recognition or a pat on the back b/c seeing one of my youth get a job, finish school, or stay out of prison is all the reward I need. I do not think many of these groups want recognition I am sure what they want most of all is support.

SirNoseDevo

11-04-2007, 04:27 PM

How can you find fault in that?

I would not label that as finding fault, but Philly isn't the only
city in America where the crime rate is going down, and all I
am saying (regardless to who I am talking to) include in your
statement that Philly isn't the ONLY city that's making progress.

Big cities like L.A, Detroit,Harlam,Chicago's Southside,Atlanta,
and on and on is making head ways also. Each of the cities
that I named is suffering from many different economic problems,
but that does not stop progress being made,and until we stop
labeling certain groups the progress is doomed.

I am so damn happy that you are teaching sex education, and
trying to show how to avoid STD. However, what you are doing
isn't enough to make gangs want to stop the shooting, or would
make them want to put their guns down.

Since you want to talk about your professional status. Mine is
a Criminal Investigator whos speciality is ranging from finding a
new born baby in a garbage dumpster to getting a radio run
about gang rapes. I have to look at death all day and some nights.
I have to create answers to way did something happen, and I
have wished many times to work as a prevention & intervention
clinical worker.

In closing, it does not make any differents to anyones profession,
but its what is the outcome of the message that's being delivered,
and in this struggle there is NO big I or little u. But like I have said
many times if the shoe fits wear it.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

BlackTree.TV

11-05-2007, 03:42 AM

You know, without being synical, or being naive about the current state of Black America, I would like to rebut this theory that their is a lost generation of Black Boys. If anything, it is the opposite, their is a lost generation of adults that are leading the youth. No offense to the moderator of this website, Baisden is truly a blessing and a true leader to the black community, but he isn't enough, Sharpton isn't enough. The leaders used to be the fathers, the uncles, the brothers, and far too often these are the individuals that are lost or absent. Does that mean that the dire situation that most black youths find themselves in is hopeless, no, it just means that the odds are stacked against us like never before. Because before, we were solid, we had fathers, we had leaders at home, we were not depending on the radio or the tv to lead us, we depended on the church and our family. What happened to that, now our fathers are smoked out, or they have abandoned us. I am a product of a fatherless household, and 'til this day, and I just turned 30 for the 2nd consecutive year, but til this day, I still feel the affects of that. I sometimes feel like something was left out, like I wasn't told this secret to manhood. How to deal with adversity, or how to stand up when times are down. Right now I am dealing with a lot of adversity, I have a family, and a lot of responsibilities that I have not been able to adequately take care of. And it is hard, because I think about my father, and I think when times got hard, he just left. And here I am loosing my mind trying to hold down the fort, when I wish I could reference what he did. Where I wish I could say, you know what, my father was in this situation and he did this to get out of it. But all I remember is when the times got hard, my father got gone. My mom held down the fort. But as much as I respect and love my mother and am grateful for the things she did, I, as a man, can not use her as an example for how to be a man. So that is what is missing, and while I have not and never will I conceide defeat, I know that it is a hard road for me, and that some brothers with less wherewithal will just give up. Does that mean we are lost, no, that means a lot of us are having to reinvent the wheel because our fathers dropped the ball on us a long time ago.

So we don't have a tried and true way to achieve greatness. We most often, can only copy failures. Now I am not speaking for all of us, because some of my friends and peers had great fathers, some of my friends and peers are now great fathers, but their is a void of leadership between the last couple of generations. Even now, we appoint Al Sharpton to speak on our behalf, but we have not annointed a new leader. Why should we still be following the leaders that marched with MLK? If MLK, had never been assasinated, do you really think he would still be the one speaking and marching for justice? I think he would've passed the torch on, and for some reason, we have not.

Now I have nothing but respect for Sharpton, Jackson, Lowery, and all of the other activist and leaders that have held the torch for all of us for a long time. Even if I don't always agree with their platform, I can do nothing but respect that they are never afraid to speak up. But come on, do you think the people that are listening to Souljah Boy even understand anything that Al Sharpton is talking about? Do you think they care? I think the generation of today is searching for the right way to go, but they are not lost as in hopeless. They are lost as in they need some direction. We need people to pass the baton, not hold the baton and pass judgement. Kanye said it best, he said people always talking about 'back in my day' well homie this is my day class started two hours ago, oh am i late?

People need to lead, follow or get out of the way. Stop passing negative judgements about the youth of today, and instead empower them. The only thing that is in danger of being extinct is that way of thinking. We are a reseliant people, and we have been through more adversity than 'Soulja Boy', all of you with opinions need to put your money where your mouth is and instead of complaining about all of the negative images of the youth, you should empower the positive ones. Now everybody who is able and listening can start with BlackTree Media. It is important that we empower media, as media has played the biggest part in our demise thus far. We have let the negative images that the media has portrayed us in, define who we are. Well, less take just as much effort to empower the positive instead of just hating on the negative. We all aren't lost, the youth of today isn't all lost. You are just looking in the wrong direction.

Warmest Regards,

Jamaal Finkley
BlackTree Media

http://www.blacktree.tv/

jfinkley@blacktreemedia.com

ess1bee

11-05-2007, 02:48 PM

SirNoseDevo

11-05-2007, 03:25 PM

I don't beleive that it is too late for our young black men. I am a single father of a twenty year old daughter, a nineteen year old daughter and a nineteen year old son. My children are respectful and all three of them are virgins. My son is in the national guard and he is headed toward a brilliant future. At the church that I attend we have begun some outreach programs to help young men from elementary age and up. And the real question is; as black men why are we "MALEFUNCTIONING"? I believe that the answer is that as a community we are divided. The church used to be home base for our socio economic answers, the "ME" generation has just about destroyed that anchor. We have also been divided by envy or "hateration". Fathers are competing with sons and vice versa, in order for young men to gain a foot hold and climb into their necessary roles, older men have to step up into their roles as wise counselors and get out of the clubs and bars chasing young girls. Stay at home with your families and be the leaders of your homes. Remember leadership is by example. Get Mr. welfare, and Mr. Friend of the Court out of your house, and do whatever is legal in order to survive.
PEACE

You are what I am talking about Single Fathers who could have
left llike the Mother did, and yet choosen to be the Honorable
Fathers. I agree its never to late for our young boys and girls
to live a new lifestyle.
At work today one of my co-workers was talking about our young
sisters having babies in their early teen years, and he called it
Babies making Babies.

What's happening to our young generation today is the ones who
are victims of the children who is caught in a massive stage of
child productions, and they are not aware to the course of survival.
Why? Because of the Parents who is in my generation gotten away
from the true home values of raising children.

Most of my generation is suffering from not having a Father in the
home for unknown reasons, but the next generation (My Sons &
Daughters) generation thought about nothing but booty banging
or partying, and that's where my generation should have said...
Hey its more to life besides that kind of life.

We can talk or type all day about problems that caused our younger
generation that's losted, but I have NOT read one time where a real
solution to the now generation problem has been posted, and that's
why Babies is making babies.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

enpowermentnow

11-06-2007, 10:46 AM

I think there is a small percentage of lost boys. We need to uplift the young men who are graduating college and making a difference. While attempting too analyze why so many young brothers are lost. We need too put the bruhs on blast that are sucessful members of society.

Hi Fi

11-06-2007, 11:23 AM

I refuse to concede this point. I am not going through life with blinders on but I will not give up on our future. The writer places responsibility for this current state of affairs on a wide range of institutions and finally get down where the true responsibility lies; PARENT(S). We have bought into the european value system that places personal achievement and wealth over family empowerment. We are so busy chasing money, bling and status that we have left behind our most precious natural resource, our children. The words "personal responsibilty" are very rarely heard in our community; and those that preach this ethos are considered race traitors and Uncle Toms. Not true, in fact these are the true heroes in our community. They go about the business of living very quitely, raising their families, organizing in thier local community, and volunteering their time and talents with little fanfare. Someone like Clarence Thomas is villified for his opinions even though most of those who are throwing the stones probably know little if anything about his story.

We have let our so-call "leaders" tell us and the powers that be have made us victims; this is a big mistake. I take exception to anyone going hat-in-hand to the government to demand special dispensation for black folk for past wrong. Anything that "they" give us can be taken away, except for one thing EDUCATION. This is one of the few things in this article I agree with. The funny thing is: When did we start to devalue education and the work ethic? Could be a direct corralation between the rise of government sponsered welfare and the decline of the achievement drive of black folk? We have become a community of entitlement minded people. We need to get past what white america owes us, it aint gonna happen, and start taking charge of things ourselves. Yes these are America's children, but they are our future. We sue when we don't get our way; we want reperations for past wrongs; and, nothing is ever our fault. Dose this sound familiar; it should, we have become our kids.

Answer this for me: If the government were to give us reperations today, how wisely do you think that money would be spent? Instead of repairations, how about just level the playing field, strike down true injustice where ever it is found. Give more than lip service to equal protection under the law. The worst thing that this counrty did to us after slavery is forced intergrationand not long after that welfare. At least when we were segrated we had each other. School teachers and maids, bankers and janitors, business owners and skilled artisians all live in close proxmity to each other. There was never a shortage of role models and our children were well supervised even when we could not be home.

Why have we bought into this "throw away" mentally? So now it is more convient to write this latest generation of young black boys and men than address the true culprit: lack of commitment to the hard work of turning the present situation around. Like the greater society we have bought into if it is not working the way we expect now throw it away just like we do our cars, computers, marriages and relationships. At least that is my take.

This was a great post.
I've been saying it for years- "What about personal responsibility?"
Personal responsibility and education would go a long way in our community.
MAYBE if Black people were educated about personal responsibility, our community might not be infected with the "anything for a dollar" mentality. It would be nice if our men were home with their families instead of chillin' at the morgue or standing on a ghetto street corner looking for trouble or in prison looking stupid. It would be nice if our women were home with their families instead of walking around with a too-short shirt and a too-short jacket on showing their butt cracks and stretch marks in order to display their tatooed butt art or hanging out with a new boyfriend while their kids get dumped off on someone else. Guess what? The kids are watching.
MAYBE if Black people were educated about sanitation and disease, our communities might not be infested with rats and roaches and we would understand the consequences of littering, throwing garbage out of windows, and letting dogs crap all over the sidewalks.
If Black people were educated about community and health, MAYBE they wouldn't use or sell drugs, ride around in cars with the big, super-noisy, ghetto a-hole muffler trying to wake the dead, spend all of their time tearing each other down, and buggin' out about money.
If Black people were educated about family, MAYBE our kids might have proper families instead Bebe's Kids, baby daddies, absentee daddy, or just mommy in court looking for child support while boyfiend # 12,345 is waiting outside.
Maybe.

tdbanks

11-07-2007, 09:02 AM

This is disheartening, especially after seeing a news report last night of a 17-year old black male who was arrested for making terroristic threats to other teens at his school. What in the world was he thinking when he did this? Here is the link to the story on Fox 5 in Atlanta.

Sandy Creek H.S. Student Arrested for Making Terroristic Threat (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4852589&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1)

WORD IS

11-07-2007, 11:19 AM

Check this out:

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SEF is a public charity with offices in Atlanta, Georgia, USA.
Contact info:
(404) 523-0001 (Switchboard)
info(at)southerneducation.org

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-- Nelson Mandela

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timtech

11-07-2007, 05:22 PM

Like I said ALL court appointed Lawyers work for the court system,
and I know it from personal experience by monitoring cases.
The name of the game is by law any individual has the rights to be
represented by a lawyer regardless to their income. This is where
the Public Defender's office make its money by handling court issues,
and most Court Appointed lawyers will say.....If you plead guilty to
the charges the Judge will see that you will get a break.

Hell....Right there is the bargain (if you plead guilty). That means
to plead guilty regardless to if one is guilty or not for a lighter
sentence or probation. Like you said yourself people are in jail and
they are innocent. But the bottomline is most refused to take the
plead causing a new direction in the case that the Lawyer thought
that he or she could brainwash someone in helping them to make
easy money.

However, After many law suits the State's Attorney General's office
require that all defenders must be represented regardless to their
income. Myself...I would not trust No legal Aid or Public Defenders
Lawyer to represent any of my clients. I would organize a legal
defense fund-raiser before I have a Court Appointed Lawyer on any
case that I am involved in.

Your Office???.....Look fighting in a court room is the biggest bull
s****ing legal game there is. Lawyers be going at each others
throat in the courtroom, and after court they be hanging out at
bars drinking and laughing together. So this is why the Justice
system can't be trusted

DJ, this statement of yours.....But lets be real. If people wasnt out
there committing crimes they wouldnt have to worry about the CJ
system.....isn't for real at all. How can you say if people wasn't
out there committing crimes? There is people who haven't did a crime,
and they still get caught up in the Justice system.

So our Black young Brothers & Sisters is no more lost then the now
generation of White Boys & Girls.
You are so right! I personally know an individual who didnt commit a crime but couldnt afford an attorney. You know the rest........

SirNoseDevo

11-07-2007, 05:58 PM

This is the very reason why us (Older) Brothers and Sisters
should take the time out to explain to these (know it all)
youngsters about their rights, and what to do when their
rights is being violated by the criminal justice system.

Here in Detroit judges claim that no person can represent
themselves in court, but most individuals do not know the
proper format & laws to represent themselves, and that's
why most Judges demand the individual to get an court
pointed lawyer.

The entire America Justice system is based on the almighty
$$$$$, and a poor (uneducated) individual will get caught
up in the mixed. The law says a person is innocent until
proven guilty. Meaning that facts have to be established
in order to convicted a person, and IF that person can
present real facts to the court the court should be able to
accept the proof.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

simplepath

11-07-2007, 06:45 PM

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AIL1914Mason

11-07-2007, 10:01 PM

i agree that we have lost a generation of our young men AND women.... more and more they are becoming a product of society and not one of that village, you know, the village that it takes to raise a child. We are now seeing the problem of complacency that started after we received a minor moral victory called civil rights. yes that stopped the public lynchings and beatings and visual discrimination however it brought on a new form of subliminal control, a falsehood of security that lured us to sleep. We are waking up now and its time to take action, take responsibility and hold ourselves accountable for the choices we make in our lives and that of our children. Good children come from good parenting and good parenting cannot be done alone, thats why we must embrace all of our children yours, mine, and the neighbors next door cause its gonna take a village to get us out of this mess...

Prophetik Soul

11-08-2007, 01:14 PM

This is a hard topic to discuss because all of us have an opinion.

I dont believe we have lost a generation at all. This statement was made about my generation as well. I have ministered to youth for the past 20 years across racial lines. If you pay attention closely, the same things are happening in all groups except immigrant groups. (Many immigrants have a deeper commitment to family). Some things are happening faster in certain groups, nevertheless, this is an American problem. PEOPLE CAN CHANGE!

Check the stats:
1. Marriage is declining in all groups except immigrants
2. Single motherhood is growing in all groups except immigrants

None of this stuff happened overnight and if we are honest, we are talking about a class issue here. I grew up poor in North Phila. in a single parent home. Dad was gone. What got me through? Some brothas (black and white) from a church down the street came onto my block where others feared to tread. They braved ridicule and got to know me. Mentoring goes a long way. Because of their example, I now have a degree and work with youth.

The main issues that you are seeing in terms of out of wedlock births are mostly happening with poor black people (although not all). Poor black people tend to get the most media attention (racism) compared with middle class blacks.

But what I see missing on this board is empathy. We can blame all we want and you might be right. But it wont change the situation. It is easy to beat up on people who dont have access to real resources. What helped me was that people outside my family intervened.

How many of us are willing to go where others wont go and intervene in a kid's life that is not our own?

Very few.

Prophetik Soul

11-08-2007, 01:49 PM

Question: Most black children lived in 2 parent homes before 1960. Single motherhood skyrocketed in the 1980s. What happened?

1. Black Flight: At one time in black communities because of segregation, the doctor lived down the street from the janitor. Even though the doc made more money, a racist society said he could not live anywhere else. A mixed income community gave us access to a diversity of skills and resources. But at some point, black folks followed white folks into better neighborhoods and left low skilled uneducated blacks behind.

2. Family Disintegration: This started happening in the 60s and 70s when people slowly started focusing on 'themselves'. Name something good that the 60s counterculture produced? The civil rights and peace movements began before the 'free love' era. As a result, divorce, drug use and adultery became acceptable. In the 80s, co-habitation went up even though stats show they dont necessarily lead to marriage.

3. Decline of Religion: There was a certain morality that the church expected because it was the epicenter of Black life. The Black church is probably the richest institution in the Black community. But many are not neighborhood churches anymore. Many are commuter churches: folk drive in who once lived there, folk drive out with very little concern for those left behind. Want to know if the church is making an impact in a community? Ask the residents. If they say Calvary who?, then you know.

4. Hyercapitalism: In this system, in order for some to have, some have to go without. Even now, we blame poor people for everything while ironically the God of the Bible looks out for them. Why? Because even though poor people make bad choices like the rest of us, we hold them hostage for their choices. We are a very materialistic nation as a result of our consumer behavior and we dont care if others are being made poor because of it. Yet we expect forgiveness and understanding when we make bad choices. Jesus knew that worldly systems victimize people especially those at the bottom. Ask a poor person if they want to be poor. The answer is NO!

Something to think about.

KTWinATL

11-08-2007, 05:53 PM

We have a problem when our children learn how to dance before they learn how to read or know their abc's.

karoki

11-09-2007, 12:04 AM

Racism does not exist anymore, so I am told. Ha!

Indeed, black boys are becoming extinct, but not in high school. In high schools around the nation black male teens are treated like almost Princes. Their bodies are used to make money and names for the schools they attend through sports. Their grades are doctored or ignored. Their secrets are kept; and their behavior is overlooked. Pretty much they can do anything and get away with it for the name of sports. Too many young black boys believe that they will be Michael Jordan some day. Of course this is a possibility, but unlikely.

I am a teacher. Well, I would like to be one again. I have a Masters degree in education, but no teaching job. I do not teach anymore because there are no jobs for black teachers outside the urban areas. Oh, the urban areas are not hiring teachers anymore where I live. It is such a shame because there are black children in schools not in the urban areas, who need to know that black role models exist. I have been laid off or non- renewed because I mentioned the injustices that occurred everyday to black children.

I have three children, two girls and one boy. My son is lucky. He is very bright and a good student. He is a quarterback at a well known white majority school. He lives in hell because of that. He is terrified that he will never become the starting Qb because he is black. A white student transferred in and started over him and was not as good. He is told to be a receiver, a tailback, or a running back then he will play. My girls never had a chance even though each is a great athlete. Life is great for black boys in high school as long as they are needed. When their eligibility is over, they are thrown away like garbage. Many do not even complete high school. There is no one to help them. People are afraid to help them even when they can.

But at the very least- high school is good to them. What about the girls? Girls quit early. Girls quit way earlier than boys- middle school. Why? There is no outlet for black girls in most high school and middle schools today. Girls’ sports in most high school where there are blacks, are terrible due to the fact that most of the funding goes to boys sports. When most of the funds go to the boys programs, they get the best coaches, equipment and attention. The leftovers go to girls sports. Bad coaches mean prejudice against black female players. The girls give up and quit. Who is there to encourage them to continue? Hence, many great black female athletes have babies or have quit the sport. This does not happen to black males. When they falter, there are booster clubs, the community, the media and many others to encourage them back to the sport they left.

Low self esteem in girls drives them into the waiting arms of anyone who will show them some needed affection and attention. There are no black female coaches. There are no feeder programs for black female athletes in their communities that are affordable. How can black female athletes compete on equal grounds with their white peers in sports like volleyball, which actually draws more participants than basketball and still expect to play well?

It makes me sick to see how poorly girls are treated in secondary education today; thus, the high pregnancy rate in schools. So many black female athletes envy the life of the black male athlete. Black males have so many opportunities that are just dreams to most black females. More black females go to college than black males, but more black males have chances at college scholarships because of their high school athletic careers.

People like me- who have the education, coaching skills and who want to work with black female athletes, are not even considered. I cannot find a job. Because of this my daughter must leave college, when she should have been able to get a sports’ scholarship somewhere! Her high school program in girls' sports was too poor for such an opportunity. My husband and I cannot pay her tuition and we both have Masters. We might have to go another winter without heat and hot water and a roof because we do not have the money to fix things.

I am a Teacher of the year sitting at home hoping for a job at McDonalds. I know I will not get the job because I cannot lie about my education on the application. I am not a separatist, but I can understand Malcolm X’s rationale behind being such. Racism has ruined my career, marriage and life. It has forced my children to be bitter much too much in their lives. There is no help for us- no where to turn-no hope- only the illusion of help in organization like the NAACP and other organizations. Often most do not even answer the phone. Everyday of my life, I wait to see what else racism will do to try to destroy my family. I watch my education, beliefs and life amount to nothing! Racism does not exist anymore so I am told.

I rely: Racism is not determined by the doer of the act. Racism is determined by the receiver of the act.

ladydiavery

11-09-2007, 06:38 PM

I would have to agree. Sad thing is that we have slowly seen these boys lose the battle with the streets, and other distractions. We have ALLOWED these young men to get into these situations because no one has taken the time to lead them in the right direction. I will probably get nailed for this, but I'm not an advocate of single parenting AS A CHOICE! Getting a divorce or a parent passing is one thing, but going out here laying up, and then ending up with child is a MAJOR reason these young men are in these predicaments. Though many women(and men) have done good jobs raising their children), a FAMILY NEEDS A COMPLETE PACKAGE! That complete package needs to consist of mom AND dad in the lives of that child!

Too many time we hear, "I'm the mother and the father"...yes you are the influential parent, however each gender NEEDS that same gender in his/her life in order for them to understand the hardships that WILL press on in their lives as they grow. A mother will NEVER understand what it's like to be a young boy/man and vice versa, so there is limited information that they can share with a son (or daughter in a father's case). It's gotten to be common place to be a single parent and not one eye blinks as a problem these days. Maybe people NEED to blink and understand that the problem has gotten worse day after day, and will continue to if these young men are not placed on an even track with men that will guide them in the right direction.
I will have to agree on certain points of this message. I am going to school (college) now to get my B.S. Degree and to go on and get my Masters. I am in my 50's young and decided to go back to school. My major is Criminal Justice. One day after my niece was killed in a laundromat with a sawed off shot gun pointed in the top of her head. He was 52 and she was 26 with a 6 yr old daughter. He was a stalker and got 25 to life. Our young black men are in a world of trouble. All they understand is rap music, bling bling, and video women. What they do not understand is everyone can and will not achieve that status. They are drug users and dealers and starting at such young ages. Carrying guns, or knives and not afraid to use them. School is a thing of the past for them. Do you know some are dropping out of school in the 7th grade? Where does a 9 or 10 year old get a gun? Yes, both parents need and should be around. Even if the parents can't stand each other, you can still be there and raise your children together. The other problem is the parents. Look how many fathers and mothers are in prison, or how many are drug and alcohol abusers? Now who raises them, the streets, gangs, themselves. The communities need to get together and help raise these kids. They use to, and we didn't turn out too bad! Wake up America, our babies need help, and this is so sad. "Enough IS enough".:confused:

melodywins

11-10-2007, 03:51 PM

Hi Fi

11-11-2007, 12:46 AM

We live in a society that is self-destructive at it's best. Doomed at it's worse. We knew that our black boys were shooting each other in the streets, doing and selling drugs...etc, etc, I could go on and on and on.
Then our father's decided that we were not worth being taken care of and raised, because some white psychologist wrote books about how resilient children were and black moms saw it fashionable to be a single parent...determined to raise the perfect family all by themselves. Not realizing that that mentality in and of itself is dyusfunctional. Until, we change our mentality...we need to know that we are doomed. We will simply grow sicker and sicker as a society and we will continue to annhilate and hate ourselves. We need to learn about us and learn to love ourselves. Who is going to teach a child that, when the adults don't love themselves?
We must change the way we think.

The sexual revolution of the 70's started the trends of sexual looseness and having babies outside of marriage. The entrance of Blacks into the middle class led to the focus on forcing men into the Family Court system regarding child support. This led to us having White people determine how we live both in the courts and with dysfunctional influence through the media. Unfortunately, some women welcomed this intrusion because it benifitted them financially and took the emphasis of the lack of responsibility and obligation off of them and threw it onto the shoulders of Black men. However, this diminished us greatly as a people. Yes, that mentality is in and of itself dysfuntional and unfortunately no, it won't change. We are truly doomed.

Hi Fi

11-11-2007, 12:52 AM

likno2morrow

11-11-2007, 12:59 AM

For one emotionally it is hard, i tell you it is hard, its soooo easy to just walk away and act like this problem does not exist....but when i look at my 14 yr old nephew ( a freshman in high school)who he is today...I marvel in his intelligence which would've been lost. I love the intrinsic rather than extrinsic rewards. We get so wrapped into the money aspects . I have actually seen jobs that pay mentors?

I struggled from the get go to take care of my at the time 12 year old nephew, from single, independent, african american female to single parent. One of the hardest and undervalued jobs in the world. I see myself as protecting him from the stereotypes, the generational curse, and all the principalities and powers we are up against.

I tell you and kid you not this young man is so smart. He plays all saxaphones,participates in the marching band, preach at church occasionally, we sit and talk about social darwinism, the commodity fetish, and how he must be a triple threat. This is through Gods strength filtered to me from above. I do this with no experience whatsoever, I am his mom, cheerleader, friend , disciplinarian, supporter, motivator, role model, protector, and father... and the list goes on...

As he allows me to marvel in his intellect and teach me how to love unconditionally. I have had people say stop doing that, think of ur self, girl if i was u I would not but. I guess when i look at the blank and hoplessness he had when he was with his mother. To the limitless possibilities and hope I have given him through persistence and consistency, as i die to self, and give to him....its worth it .we are so self aborbed and it is so much easier to give up... But I pray for finances to take care of him as I do this myself, I stay in an middle to upper class neighborhood(not to say it makes a difference) but I wanted to take him out of the box and show him he deserves the best things in life. I often work 40 to 50 hours a week to take care of both of us.... and when the funds are not right.... God always delivers.....This boy breaks down and understands revelations come on man I cant turn my back on him, its too easy....

SirNoseDevo

11-11-2007, 08:20 AM

Personally, I am thinking that Bill Cosby may have some good points,
but where Blacks is dis-agreeing with Bill is the tone of his message,
and I also look at Bill as a person who is trying to make himself look
good in the eyes of the white race.

Blacks did not help Bill Cosby get where he is today...whites did
starting back in the days of.....I Spy, and that role he played
got him over. So I believe that Bill had the American Dream to
become a individual who could TRY to represent the Black race
in the white man's style.

Sure, He encourages our young Brothers & Sisters to be somebody,
but my honorable Brother Minister Farrakhan is also teaching about
racism in the white man's educational system, and that's something
that Bill Cosby seem to be affaid to talk about.

How would you label the killing of MalcolmX? Why is Blacks becoming
cowards just like the white man? Back in the days when I was coming
up we had fights, but after the ffight we became friends again, and here
in today's society we have become cowards...its always GUN power.

Gun power does not make a person a man (Bill Cosby don't teach that).
MalcolmX, did not believe in using guns as the ultimate weapon, but he
did believe that using a weapon should be the last resources, and that's
why he used the term...by any means neccessary.

The honorable Minister Farrakhan is trying to wake many of us up to the
fact that what we have learned we learned it from the White man. Do
Black people really understand what the Minister is saying? Drug Turf...?
There was a day when Blacks did not know anything about no damn
truf. We knew how to protect our neighborhood, but white hollywood was
the ones who took the square ass Black Brother out of the neighborhood,
and made him the drug lords, the Gangster who killed his own people over
money that was owed to the white man, and the guy who got things that
poor ass never had while growing up.

I have been blessed to see these things become a reality. I came
from a poor home here in Detroit, and at my age (60) I have survived
the street game. No Police record, No appearence of America's Most
Wanted, Never spend a day in prison, and yet I have done everything
under the sun wrong...but I am still here to talk about it.

Like I have posted many times I can call myself Bad, due to the fact that I
have survived the streets, and I now hold TWO college degrees plus own a
business. That's what being cool is all about, and being cool is to know what
to do to survive. So if anyone wants to get real I suggest to be for real.
Bill Cosby got his whatever he wanted, I have got my piece of the rock, and
its up to us to help others get theirs.

In closing, Everyday I read on here where there is a bunch of suggestions
being offered, but is there any suggestions that gives the straight up
solution to the problem? and myself I don't mind talking about my past
because its where I am now that counts. So don't talk down at our young
Brothers & Sisters...talk with them.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

drkbarry

11-11-2007, 09:26 AM

...you are on point brother.

We need to put resources into supporting and educating our you black men. It starts at home, in the churches, then the community. We also need to support and educate ourselves as a race. Know all about your own people and know alot about other races and religions. Only then can we prosper, when we know every little thing about our adversaries and know every move they'll make before the make it.

"If you know both yourself and your enemy, you will come out of one hundred battles with one hundred victories. " -Sun Tzu

Every chance I get I speak to young black men, from my sons' ages (3&5) to 30 year olds (my age). I encourage them to educate themselves. By that I mean be both book and street smart. College degrees don't show your level of education. There are many uneducated people out there with masters and phds. An educated person know about and can intelligently discuss any and all topics and can, if they don't know something, obtain that information from a discussion with others and wise hold their own. We have to live for that in this time. I am a big advocate for education...my parents hold masters degrees and I have a medical degree. However, we are more educated beyond these degrees.

In order for us to move forward as a people and fight for what God has rightfully given all his people we have to be educated beyond a piece of paper. READ READ READ!!!

The first rule to mentoring is to encourage your mentee to read and every thing they can even if they may not understand it. From that will come questions, discussions, and great ideas. You may even spark the fire for a future politician, lawyer, doctor, educator, businessman, etc.:)

SirNoseDevo

11-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Man oh Man drbarry. Your comments did co-sign the truth
I been teaching all along. Jim Crow Esquire Jr, is alive and
well today, and believe me his game isn't about nothing
but hate. The Killing part about the Old Crow's next (Now)
generation is these racist today is the third generation.
Which is the generation of my Grandson & Daughter who is
15 and 12 years old.

I was blessed to have a bunch of people who loved me when
I did not love myself, and like you said we must put our own
self-centered bs aside in order to help others. I totally agree
when you mentioned Education and Street senses, and trust
me when I say both is important to have.

In closing, There was a song that James Brown was singing
back in the old school days...that said I DON'T WANT NOBODY
TO GIVE ME NOTHING...JUST OPEN THE DOOR (Opportunity),
AND I WILL GET IT MYSELF. Then he bounced back with SAY
IT LOUD.......I AM BLACK & PROUD.

Thanks again Young Brother DrBarry for your words of wisdom.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

CNR

11-12-2007, 06:33 AM

I agree that materials must be made available that interest black boys.

I have written a book entitled "Life...What's Up With Yours?" Even though all teens would enjoy the lessons, the focus is to caught the attention of black boys.

Book Summary...

This dynamic approach to youth and young adult bible study is a gripping soul connecting guide to understanding biblical principles. It is also an energetic interpersonal view of thought provoking life stories that provide enlightenment for those who are interested in the mystery of a faith walk with Jesus Christ. Each session centers the discussion group’s attention on the plight of the many different characters whose stories are woven throughout the series. The characters are socialized urbanites whose behavior may be familiar to some, or offer enlightenment to others. If you have a passion to capture the attention of urban youth and young adults, this book must be added to your teaching arsenal.

It is my desire to connect with people who have purposed themselves train our youth.

Preview the book at: http://www.cnrministries.org
trichbur@bcpl.net

C. NaTasha Richburg

jazzysun

11-12-2007, 08:28 AM

There are problems facing black people today but there are a lot fewer than 50-60 years ago. There are so many ways that we can avoid being just another stereotype. I am so tired of people blaming society at large and white people for our problems. This recent string of bad behavior by black males. With the exception of Genarlow Wilson, the rest were guilty of real crimes. Just because you are black doesn't make it ok to fight dogs, or jump a racist white boy. While everyone deserves and has the right to a fair trial lets not demand that bad behavior be ignored because of institutional racism.

Black males have a choice. Let's be real they can go the hoodlum route or the upstanding citizen route. As parents it is no one else's job to raise our children but ourselves. Yes being a single parent can be difficult but you know what, you decided to have a child and you have to take responsibility for their upbringing. You can't allow a missing parent give you an excuse to not raise your child to the best of your ability. You cannot give your child excuses because their father isn't there. I know plenty of upstanding men (including my father and uncles) who's fathers weren't there for them. Their mothers, grandfathers, other relatives stepped up and made a difference.

It all starts with self-respect if you don't have it your children won't have it. We have to look at ourselves as the proud black people we are not the images we see on television. This starts with not allowing ourselves to be obsessed with the culture of individualism that runs this country. It isn't hard to steer your children away from BET and stereotypes I don't care where you live. Going with the pack is a strong force but being an individual will make your child a success in the long run whether they're a CEO or a teacher. Black people do not seem to teach their children that there is a world beyond their life. When you really watch the news and documentaries on PBS about real issues going on in the world, what brand of sneakers you have tend to be less important.

It does not take a lot of money to create a productive young man. It actually takes less to raise a good black man than a bad one. Libraries are everywhere, instead of letting little boys run the streets with older boys take them to the libraries on the weekends and read to them or encourage them to read to you. I live in DC and our museums are free. I rarely see black parents from the city take their kids to these museums. For those of us who live in urban areas it is so much cheaper to take your child to festivals sporting events than to pay $50-$100/month for cable or satellite. You just have to introduce culture to your children at young ages. Have more books than DVDs in your home. Because lets face it the vast majority of hip-hop and rap now is just ridiculously ignorant and has no value what so ever than to tear down people.

We can learn a lot from other groups also. We can set up book clubs for other single moms/dads where we can bring our children and recommend books. Even if you don't have children you can suggest outings for parents of young men. Instead of investing hundreds of dollars in clothes and electronics spend the money on passports and vacations. Nothing will open a child's mind more than seeing another culture with their own eyes. Figure out what your child enjoys and try to foster that even if you can't afford special classes.

There are so many opportunities out there now the only thing that's keeping more young black men from taking advantage of them is ignorance and laziness. There are so many people out here who want to help young black men it's ridicuolous. They just have to want help. Because when it comes down to it black people in this country may have some problems but we need to appreciate all that we do have. Don't forget the struggle but realize we create a lot of our own problems. Not having parents, growing up in a bad neighborhood, being poor are not excuses for bad behavior.

SirNoseDevo

11-12-2007, 02:23 PM

oftheway

11-12-2007, 07:18 PM

There is a man name Marlin Reid he spoke about fatherlessness. Get him on
your show...http://www.newwineglory.org

Songbird17

11-12-2007, 09:28 PM

Young men know that this type of conduct is not acceptable, but how can they resist the temptation of the money and fame? The record companies are paying them to make a fool out of themselves, along with countless others who are not paying attention to what is going on around them. Below is a prime example.

Is it just me or are people not listening to the song by Soulja Boy?!!!!

The uncut version of the lyrics are off the chain and children are singing and dancing to this HOT MESS!!!

If people knew the meaning behind this song it would make their heads spin. The song is dealing with a male that does not get any (sex) from a female. He waits until she goes to sleep and jacks off on her back. He then pulls the sheet over her, so when she awakes in the morning, the sheet is stuck to her back draped like a superman cape!!!!!

Like I said, HOT MESS!!!!! This needs to stop!!!!

Lyrics to Soulja Boy

Chorus: Repeated Twice
Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Crank It
Watch Me Roll
Watch Me Crank Dat Soulja Boy
Then Super Man Dat Hoe
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)
Now Watch Me Do
(Crank Dat Soulja Boy)

First Verse
Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Dance
(Now You)
I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your Bitch
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"

Chorus: Repeated Twice

Second Verse
I'm Bouncin On My Toe
Watch Me Super Soak Dat Hoe
I'ma Pass It To Arab
Then He Gon Pass It To The Low (Low)
Haterz Wanna Be Me
Soulja Boy, I'm The Man
They Be Lookin At My Neck
Sayin Its The Rubberband Man (Man)
Watch Me Do It (Watch Me Do It)
Dance (Dance)
Let Get To It (Let Get To It)
Nope, You Can't Do It Like Me
Hoe, So Don't Do It Like Me
Folk, I See You Tryna Do It Like Me
Man That Shit Was Ugly

Chorus: Repeated Four times

LuckylNika

11-13-2007, 04:46 PM

SirNoseDevo

11-13-2007, 05:23 PM

Hi my name is Ayannah and I always listen to Michael's show since 2005 when I first became aware of it and was hooked. I'm a mother of 5 beautiful children and one beautiful grandchild. My problem is basically with my 15-year old son who has committed arm robbery of a vehicle with a fake gun and wants to be a gang member. I didn't nor his step dad have ever approved of him of acting like this. Neither does his real father.

Now, since birth he has been in someways slower than usual. He started talking around 22 months. His grasp of spelling and studying was a difficult journey as well. He has all his life been called bad by everyone from community neighbors to all of his family. I even started calling him bad and whooping his behind to no avail. He was in a home for two years in 2003-2005 when he was diagnosed mentally retardant. He also was on Ritalin, Strattera, etc. Now, the DA wants to give him 10 years straight without any parole. I know it is too late but can someone please give me some advice?

Dear Sister. I was raised with a step Father in the home, and now after
all that I did to show resentment TODAY I would not trade the man in
for a million dollars. It does not sound that he's losted in anyways, and
prehaps by him being borned the way he was it kinda affected you in
someway. Another issue that sometimes will make our younger generation
acts up is peer-pressure.

My Son was stopped by the Police for having a fake water pistol that
looked like a real gun, and his problem was he wanted to be accepted
in his group of friends (showing off/being boostful). However after he
thought that his butt was going to jail, and I had told him that I was
not going to get him out. But when he did get out (3 hours later) I had
no problems anymore, and now he is a Correctional Officer with 3 kids.

In closing, My Sister go hire you a good lawyer to appeal the case.
Then in the meantime YOU go searching for a Mental Health program,
and enroll him in that program (With the Understanding that he will do
ten years or he have a choice to enroll in the problem).
By you hiring a good lawyer, and do what I suggested hopefully he
can get a break from the DA. Good Luck.

I deal with youngsters allday long. I am a Child Correctional/Protection
Officer, and I have seen my suggestion work. It won't hurt nothing
but a try.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

WORD IS

11-14-2007, 04:30 AM

James Watson, a 79-year-old geneticist who is one of the world’s most respected scientists and a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, recently said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really." Watson says he had hoped that everyone was equal, but “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true.” Claiming that, within a decade, geneticists may well isolate the genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence, Watson writes, “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.”

And it wasn’t so long ago that William J. Bennett, former U.S. Secretary of Education turned-talk show host, said on the air, "If you wanted to reduce crime, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

So, someone please explain to me how any child saddled with such negative stereotyping will be encouraged to succeed academically.

Black students are bombarded at school with misinformation that perpetuates the myth of Black inferiority and permits systemic racism to continue. Low test scores are attributed to intellectual inferiority, class assignments to lack of motivation, and excessive disciplinary actions to immoral character. Negative racial stereotypes put our students under suspicion of not having adequate ability or motivation to succeed. That suspicion affects their performance and persistence. It breaks them down emotionally and academically. It robs them of an education.

When I think about the unbelievable courage it took the parents in Little Rock to send their children to school and the courage it took those children to go, I am ashamed. It seems we’ve lost not only the courage, but even the will, to stand up for our children. We cannot care so little that we’d sit back and watch the Legacy of Little Rock fade away. Our children will not be downtrodden unless we lack the courage to stand up for them.

"If I could sit down for justice, you can stand up for children."
--- Rosa Parks

NeCe9496

11-14-2007, 10:36 AM

Would someone PLEASE tell me how I can get a dynamic guest on the Michael Baisden Show? This is an author that is teaching from the ground level about black men. He has written a book entitled "What Men Must Do." His seminars are life-changing. His name is Dr. Larry Jones. I can give contact and website information, as well as testimonials from men who have attended his seminars. I promise you his information will put previous guests to SHAME!!! We need to get the truth in the hands of those that need it.

pmarks2201

11-14-2007, 12:12 PM

had to send this to Michael Baisden, the NC NAACP, and the National Action Network. There is some injustice happening in Fayetteville, NC. The following story from the Fayetteville Observer tells it all.

Pastor Phillip Marks in Fayetteville, North Carolina

Ticketed driver worries power will win out

Myron Pitts
Jamell Jones is laid out on his couch, watching a Spike TV show full of car crashes. Wrapped in a thick blanket, he shifts position often. Surgical staples run from his hip to just above his knee. They itch. His ribs hurt. The left side of his pelvis is severely fractured.
A walker sits next to the couch. He uses the walker because he can barely lift his left leg.
Jones said he had randomly selected the TV channel.
It was a car crash that put him on his back. He is the driver who suffered the most serious injuries in an Oct. 25 wreck that also involved a friend of Fayetteville’s mayor and another driver.
That night, a patrol officer, after talking with her supervisor, wrote a ticket charging Diana Knight with running a red light. Knight’s husband, Gary, a civilian who is former deputy garrison commander at Fort Bragg, called his friend Chavonne. The mayor called City Manager Dale Iman, who called Police Chief Tom Bergamine.
Knight’s ticket was voided.
Jones said an officer called him in the hospital a few days later to go over details of the crash. Exactly one week after the wreck, the same officer dropped a ticket by Jones’ hospital room, charging him with running a red light and not wearing a seat belt.
Jones said he does not remember the crash, in which his car collided with Knight’s at Stoney Point and Gillis Hill roads. He said he remembers driving on Gillis Hill Road. The next thing he remembers is rescue workers asking him whether he had taken any drugs and whether he was wearing his seat belt.
Police reports state he was thrown from his car.
Jones said he next remembers waking up in the hospital and his mother, Wanda, telling him he had been in an accident.
Jones does not believe he was at fault, based on statements made by Evelyn Valentini, the third driver, whose car was hit by Jones’ careening vehicle.
“I hope that lady testifies,” Jones said, expecting the matter will end up in some court.
Of his ticket, he said: “I can’t believe they got it switched around.”
He said another woman, who had been driving behind Jones, came by the hospital to say she, too, thought Jones had not been in the wrong.
Jones said he hopes to get justice, but said the Knights “still have got all these powerful people on their side.”
Tale of two cities
Whatever the details of the wreck, the treatment of Jones and Knight afterward has been radically different. The difference boils down to a tale of two cities.
Jones, 21, has worked at Smithfield Packing, the hog plant in Tar Heel, for eight months. He lives with his mother and older brother in a mobile home park off Rim Road. His income and his mother’s wages as a bus driver for Cumberland County schools pay the bills.
The Knights live in Gates Four, a tony community that fought and delayed the same “big bang” annexation that brought in Jones’ family in 2005.
Jones’s burnt-orange, 1992 Mercury Grand Marquis sustained $7,000 worth of damage, according to a police report; Knights’ late-model Mercedes — with a license plate that reads “G8S4GOLF” — $30,000.
Wanda Jones says she learned of the wreck when she saw her son’s crumpled car at the intersection; she drives home from work by Stoney Point Road.
She fought panic as she talked to emergency personnel at the scene. Her car would not start at first when she got ready to go to Cape Fear Valley Medical Center.
“I was upset and shaken,” she said, and in no condition to drive.
When she calmed down, the car started. She said the Lord was looking out for her.
The Joneses said they have not heard from Chavonne or Iman. Both men have said they went to the hospital to check on the welfare of the other drivers as well as Knight. Knight was treated for minor injuries at Cape Fear Valley. Valentini received treatment for minor injuries at Womack Army Medical Center.
“I don’t even know what they look like,” Wanda Jones said about the mayor and manager.
The Joneses are black, but the issue is not about race.
The issue is whether who you know determines how you are treated by this city.
The aftermath of the crash that put Jones on his back suggests that the question is as relevant as ever.
Columnist Myron B. Pitts can be reached at pittsm@fayobserver.com or 486-3559.

moonbaby

11-14-2007, 01:16 PM

It took me 31 years, a whole lot of tears, manipulation, deception, and little bit off street smarts to get where I am today, you see I am a product of a single mother household. The man who calls himself my father left me and my brother when I was 6 years old and brother was 3 years and I instantly became the man of the house. I blamed my father for a lot over the years and hated him for every time I had to learn a life lesson on my own. I considered him a coward. It wasn't until a couple years ago after he tried to commit suicide and once again I was thrust right into a position of responsibly of taking care of him. You see he did not die, he is in a vegitative state and without a power of attourny, will or anthing else I was forced to take him in my home along with my 2 year old son, because he had no insurance, his other 2 sons refused to help out and the daughter was a minor at the time. I felt like the whole world was on my back, you see I am also a single father, because my son's mother left us when he was 6 months old, today he is 3 years old and only has me. After a year of fighting in court I finally got power of attourney over my father. He is in a nursing home now, but from that point I made my son a promise to teach him the things I had to learn on my own, to be there when he needs someone to talk too, and to never turn my back on him, because my people turned theirs on me. Everyday I watch scores of young black men dieing on television, in the newspapers, and even sometimes in front of me. I gaze upon my son's eyes every morning as we sit and have breakfast and dream of the possibilities, maybe he can be the first in his family to make something of himself. I dreamed of being a computer scientist when I was growing up I never got the opportunity to go to college until I turned 34. Black men have to do everything twice a good there is no room for error!!! Can't you see we are under attack and have been since the sixties. When was the last time you patronized a black owed business, and I mean other than barbque joints, barber shops, hair salons, and record shops? Remember when we owned almost everything in our neighborhoods? I do and that's why it hurts so much to see what was once a loving community destroyed in as little as 40 years.

It's ironic that it took you 31 years to get life in order for yourself. Usually those who grow up without a father figure, especially males, often take a harder road in life. Why, because as you said, you had to learn things on your own. I salute and commend you for finally "getting it" and turning your life into a positive for youself and your son. Some never do.

It's even more admirable that you, despite your father not being there, rose to the occasion and helped your father in his troubled times. GOD sees this, and you will be rewarded greatly. Great job my brother.

Keep striving, and keep being a great father.

loress

11-14-2007, 09:56 PM

I have spent over 35 years teaching in an urban educational system. Many of our young boys today are being placed in special education classrooms for students with behavioral disabilities. Many of these children come from homes that are very disfunctional.

I have also spent the last twenty years teaching and/or training teachers to teach students with learning disabilities to read. We must recognize that drugs have distroyed our areas and that we don't have the resources that other communities may have available.

we must also begin to join together to help one another and form businesses that will employ our youth.

Education must come first in our lives. Our forefathers did it without any of the resources that we have today. We can do much more if we ban together and protect our children.

beautifulone

11-15-2007, 07:52 AM

I totally agree with you regarding our young men being placed in special education because they may need additional tutoring which their parent or guardian cannot afford. They are then deflated and attitude changes and they eventually drop out of school. It is a real problem that others are blind to or just want to ignore the situation because additional funds are given to the schools.

We must do better to help all our children.

Sharon

LuckyNika

11-15-2007, 02:47 PM

Dear Sister. I was raised with a step Father in the home, and now after
all that I did to show resentment TODAY I would not trade the man in
for a million dollars. It does not sound that he's losted in anyways, and
prehaps by him being borned the way he was it kinda affected you in
someway. Another issue that sometimes will make our younger generation
acts up is peer-pressure.

My Son was stopped by the Police for having a fake water pistol that
looked like a real gun, and his problem was he wanted to be accepted
in his group of friends (showing off/being boostful). However after he
thought that his butt was going to jail, and I had told him that I was
not going to get him out. But when he did get out (3 hours later) I had
no problems anymore, and now he is a Correctional Officer with 3 kids.

In closing, My Sister go hire you a good lawyer to appeal the case.
Then in the meantime YOU go searching for a Mental Health program,
and enroll him in that program (With the Understanding that he will do
ten years or he have a choice to enroll in the problem).
By you hiring a good lawyer, and do what I suggested hopefully he
can get a break from the DA. Good Luck.

I deal with youngsters allday long. I am a Child Correctional/Protection
Officer, and I have seen my suggestion work. It won't hurt nothing
but a try.

Sir Nose Devoid of Funk

Thank you so much for your love dear SirNoseDevo! The reason I didn't respond immediately because I tried resetting my password and so I reregistered. Yes I was raised by a stepfather and a whole community after my father and mother separated! My father was on drugs really bad in Harlem New York. My mom became a Muslim and we had moved and our whole lives changed around mostly for the better while I was growing up. My son's father was on drugs for a some years but cleaned up his act and now is successful in doing his business and other matters of his life. I didn't know he did substances especially the dreaded C until years later. Anyway, he said he will help our son out financially. My son hasn't seen his father since he was 1 1/2 years old. We had separated a lil before he was two; and usually during breakups the children get tossed around depending on the anger and maturity of the parents etc. So it didn't do him well and he comments on his father not being there. I'm not trying to use this as an excue. His stepfather was never on drugs and is a real good person and father to all of my children. We constantly talked, read, preached, play basketball etc to them and my oldest son seems to love getting the wrong type of attention like you said from other youths whose parents are on drugs, overworking and simply not there for their children!

I will go search for a good lawyer and see what he can do. Best advice, because the Public Defender and the District attorney and the judge all know each other and my son is just another statisitic of young black men who are getting locked up for mistakes and crimes that have committed or didn't commit.

Thanks and love Ayannah:)

jackie51

11-15-2007, 02:57 PM

We are losing our black boys but it is the fault of the parent. I am the single mother of 4 young men and I raised them to be respectable black men. I took them to the side and educate them on life and took them to the county jail to show them where they would be if they ever thought about the wrong side of the tracks. I also got out there and taught these young men how to play baseball. I also expressed to them that baseball is for their entertainment and to relieve stress when it is called for. I love my boys and I would have a house full of boys at my house always and didn't mine it because I was created a safe haven for my boys as well as their friends. I live in South Los Angeles and the gangs were bad but if you teach these young men that there are other ways of earning money and learning how to love and respect yourself and others too. We don't have to lose them but if there is no love or lack of love, then they will go to the wrong place to look for it.:)

WORD IS

11-28-2007, 05:26 AM

We are losing our black boys but it is the fault of the parent.

The mainstream media consistently depict poor blacks as particularly dysfunctional and undeserving of assistance. In over-stated reports of black urban crime, gang violence, drug use, teenage pregnancy, riots, homelessness, and general aimlessness, the black underclass, and especially young black men, is portrayed as a social menace that must be contained. Alan Jenkins, Inequality, Race, and Remedy (The American Prospect, April 2007) http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=inequality_race_and_remedy

By blindly accepting such reports as truth, we perpetuate the myth of black inferiority and reinforce the systemic racism in our public schools. Consider the following statement made by County Commissioner Bill James, Rep., Charlotte, NC:

Most people know why public schools can't teach kids within the urban black community. They live in a moral sewer full of promiscuity that leads to illegitimate kids and parents who lack the desire to act properly. That immorality impacts negatively the lives of these children and creates an environment where education is considered 'acting white' and lack of education is a 'plus' in their world. Having little Twanna and Ahmad sit next to little Skippy or Susie does NOTHING except hide the extent of the problem.
We cannot continue to indiscriminately blame parents for the academic failure of so many black children. Assigning fault to black parents locks the focus on negative racial stereotypes and shields the white educational bureaucracy from scrutiny and accountability.

Every day, untold numbers of black children are deprived a meaningful public school opportunity by educational practices and policies tainted by notions of black inferiority. It’s easy simply to blame the parents when we combine in a single class every black child who, for whatever reason, does not succeed academically. It’s not so easy when we view these children as individuals.

Attached is the story of one individual child. Read it. Decide for yourself. Who is to blame?

mysterj

11-28-2007, 08:22 AM

Yea, what "Jack Nickolson" said about "niggers" in the movie "The Departed."

Michael,
It time to shut this "Mother Down!"
It looks like on every hand we as a people are being misused and abused and killed and no-one cares. If you haven't yet checked out what "Jack Nickolson" said at the beginning of the movie, "The Departed," please do! Paraphrasing; He said "the problem with "Niggers" is that they always wait for somebody to give them something when all they need to do is take it." Check it out... A very powerful Line in a movie from a very respected actor. But "Jack" is right...

"Enough is Truly Enough!"
It is "Time out for all this BS and not positive results. Michael, people fear you because you had the balls to put them on "Blast" and make it "ring!" You were/are/can be very effective. Let's keep this momentum going! They are taking us out it seems everyday and if we don't get pissed off like the French are right now and stand up and say "Enough is Truly Enough!" Then Jack was right, "We have a serious problem!" I am not talking about violence I am talking about voicing to open dialogue in order to obtain a positive outcome. You are our modern day "Martin!" Do you dream or do you see visions are both ( got to keep it light...LOL!!!)? Either way when people of power hear your name they see change (Balls for a Change). Now they are busy trying to find a way or ways to stop you and all of us who are ready for the next level of change in to Complete Equality. And all those who don't want this type America should leave the Country... This is what the Fore-fathers and founders of this great land faught for, peace and equality-for every man woman boy and girl; black, white, brown, yellow or red...
I am with so it time to "do what "JAck" said..."ea, What "Jack Nicholson" said about "Niggers" in the Moive "the Departed!"

QUOTE=admin;28296]America Has Lost A Generation Of Black Boys

By Phillip Jackson
Executive Director of the Black Star Project
Chicago, IL
blackstar1000@ameritech.net

There is no longer a need for dire predictions, hand-wringing, or
apprehension about losing a generation of black boys. It is too late. In
education, employment, economics, incarceration, health, housing, and
parenting, we have lost a generation of young black men. The question
that remains is will we lose the next two or three generations, or
possibly every generation of black boys hereafter to the streets,
negative media, gangs, drugs, poor education, unemployment, father
absence, crime, violence and death.

Most young black men in the United States don't graduate from high
school. Only 35% of black male students graduated from high school in
Chicago and only 26% in New York City, according to a 2006 report by
The Schott Foundation for Public Education. Only a few black boys who
finish high school actually attend college, and of those few black boys
who enter college, nationally, only 22% of them finish college.

Young black male students have the worst grades, the lowest test scores,
and the highest dropout rates of all students in the country. When these
young black men don't succeed in school, they are much more likely to
succeed in the nation's criminal justice and penitentiary system. And it
was discovered recently that even when a young black man graduates from
a U.S. college, there is a good chance that he is from Africa, the
Caribbean or Europe, and not the United States.

Black men in prison in America have become as American as apple pie.
There are more black men in prisons and jails in the United States
(about 1.1 million) than there are black men incarcerated in the rest of
the world combined. This criminalization process now starts in
elementary schools with black male children as young as six and seven
years old being arrested in staggering numbers according to a 2005
report, Education on Lockdown by the Advancement Project.

The rest of the world is watching and following the lead of America.
Other countries including England, Canada, Jamaica, Brazil and South
Africa are adopting American social policies that encourage the
incarceration and destruction of young black men. This is leading to a
world-wide catastrophe. But still, there is no adequate response from
the American or global black community.

Worst of all is the passivity, neglect and disengagement of the black
community concerning the future of our black boys. We do little while
the future lives of black boys are being destroyed in record numbers.
The schools that black boys attend prepare them with skills that will
make them obsolete before, and if, they graduate. In a strange and
perverse way, the black community, its elf, has started to w age a kind
of war against young black men and has become part of this destructive
process.

Who are young black women going to marry? Who is going to build and
maintain the economies of black communities? Who is going to anchor
strong families in the black community? Who will young black boys
emulate as they grow into men? Where is the outrage of the black
community at the destruction of its black boys? Where are the plans and
the supportive actions to change this? Is this the beginning of the end
of the black people in America ?

The list of those who have failed young black men includes our
government, our foundations, our schools, our media, our black churches,
our black leaders, and even our parents. Ironical ly, experts say that
the solutions to the problems of young black men are simple and
relatively inexpensive, but they may not be easy, practical or popular.
It is not that we lack solutions as much as it is that we lack the will
to implement these solutions to save black boys. It seems that
government is willing to pay billions of dollars to lock up young black
men, rather than the millions it would take to prepare them to become
viable contributors and valued members of our society.

Please consider these simple goals that can lead to solutions for fixing
the problems of young black men:

Short term
1) Teach all black boys to read at grade level by the third grade and to
embrace education.
2) Provide positive role models for black boys.
3) Create a stable home environment for black boys that includes contact
with their fathers.
4) Ensure that black boys have a strong spiritual base.
5) Control the negative media influences on black boys.
6) Teach black boys to respect all girls and women.

Long term
1) Invest as much money in educating black boys as in locking up black
men.
2) Help connect black boys to a positive vision of themselves in the
future.
3) Create high expectations and help black boys live into those high
expectations.
4) Build a positive peer culture for black boys.
5) Teach black boys self-discipline, culture and history.
6) Teach black boys and the communities in which they live to embrace
education and life-long learning.

[/QUOTE]

Exec Direct

11-28-2007, 01:37 PM

All of us are accountable. Ask the Cavemen & Dinosaurs about extinction
We can't fossilize what the statistics say. We read about it, We write about it, We complain about it. When are we going to Do Something about it. Michael you are on the right track, But so is Rev Al, Jesse and countless others who are fighting the good fight. It will take ALL OF US leaving no question unanswered and no individual left behind. These powers that be who run and want to run the Greatest Country on the face of this planet should be questioned "Is the Black Race facing extinction?"

A Lost Generation of Black Boys.... We have closed our ears, eyes and hearts to our own people. Why should America Care? This is a reoccuring cycle. The elected officials in office, The Oil industry, The stores, The News Media, The Eductaors, Sports Franchises, The High Profile Stars... are all US.

All of us are Accountable to fix the broken mess!

cindyadams

11-28-2007, 05:46 PM

Amen,

Attention Black America. It's time to wake up. Who is taking care of the children? They cannot raise themselves. Young people have to learn that once you have a child your mission is to get that child to adulthood, in sound mind, body and spirit. It's time for parents to say "NOT ON MY WATCH." It's time to let your teen girls know that it is not ok to give her body freely. It's time to let your sons know that their seed is valuable and that they should not just leave it in Lottie, Dottie and everybody. It's time to take those tight weaves out of your head, pull up those pants and think. It's time to SAVE OUR BOYS! As we say in Philadelphia....IT'S A NEW DAY!

WORD IS

11-30-2007, 01:11 AM

My sincere thanks to VAadrienne for inspiration and the valuable contribution of Why Blacks Are So Negatively Portrayed‏, (AMERICA HAS LOST A GENERATION OF BLACK BOYS, October 31, 2007).

Public awareness, the heart and soul of public opinion, is largely controlled by the mainstream media. The media helps to shape our views of the world and what we judge to be good or bad. It helps to forge our deepest values and sense of self identity; our sense of what it means, for example, to be male or female, Black or white, moral or immoral.

Sadly, today most African Americans are unaware that they are ongoing victims of an unrelenting flood of misinformation. False, derogatory press releases, documentaries, and media information concerning the Black population perpetuate and frame the myth of white moral, ethical, and intellectual superiority. Negative misinformation disseminated through newspapers, magazine articles, radio, television, and on-line resources works to demoralize, discourage, berate, and subjugate the Black population and dismantle unity in the Black community.

This campaign of misinformation engenders distorted and increasingly prejudiced and acrimonious perceptions of the African American population. It refocuses the root problem of racism and creates the illusion that Black inferiority is to blame. It creates a consensual environment that facilitates the exploitation and suppression of Black America. It justifies the exclusion of countless Black children from public education and the disproportionate incarceration of Black men.

The worst consequence, however, is not its adverse effect on race relations in America, but how it causes African Americans to perceive themselves and the Black community as a whole. The Black population is deliberately bombarded by derogatory misinformation and statistics deliberately designed to produce internalized racism and self hatred, to confuse and divide the Black community, to inhibit Black unity, and to reduce Black upward mobility.

This is not some conspiracy theory premise that perpetuates Black defeatism. Nor is this a case of one peddling victim-hood in a frivolous attempt to absolve our race of our own responsibilities. This is the truth! The truth that we have been trained not to see -- trained by the false world that has been pulled over our eyes. -- VAadrienne

The following editorial is one example of the media’s intentional manipulation of public opinion. It was published in the March 29, 2006, edition of the Herald-Sun, in response to a class action lawsuit filed on March 24. The text of the editorial appears in block quotations.

Lawsuit would destroy schools

A lawsuit by eight former students and their parents charges Durham Public Schools with disciplining students in a racist manner and with unfairly labeling some students as gang members.

There were nine named plaintiffs. One graduated from high school the year before. Seven were still in high school. The ninth was Sheryl Smith, whose son Todd was shot down on November 5, 2005, by a wanna-be Blood after the Herald-Sun published statements by former school superintendent Ann T. Denlinger and Todd’s principal falsely accusing him of gang involvement. When Sheryl publicly challenged these accusations, Todd went from being “suspected of gang involvement” to a “gang member” to “the leader of the Crips.”

The suit makes a couple of decent points that are, unfortunately, overwhelmed by absurd demands that, if implemented, would make our schools far more dangerous.

It's true, for example, that the school system should be cautious when identifying students as gang members. Many young people are only flirting with gangs, and take on some of the gang symbolism as a way to be cool and fit in -- pretty common concerns for teens. Labeling youths too early as gang members might actually push them in that direction.

This is exactly the consequence of the school district’s policy of zero tolerance. A student who is wrongly put out of school is on the street, with no supervision, no education, no possibility of meaningful employment, no voice, and no future. He is declared an outlaw and exiled from school and his community of peers. Who and what does he have left?

We think that behavior -- confirmed acts of belligerence and disrespect for authority -- should be the main factors leading to suspension.

“Confirmed” is the operative word here. No student should be denied the benefit of a public school education except under the most compelling circumstances, and then only after the student has been afforded due process, including proof of the accusations against him after a full and fair hearing before an impartial panel. “Belligerence and disrespect for authority” includes any number of minor infractions that in no way warrant depriving a child the right and benefit of a public school education.

But what would the lawsuit prescribe for the alleged shortcomings of the schools' policy? The suit says schools should reinstate all students suspended or expelled under the system's gang policy.

The lawsuit actually asks for reinstatement of those students who were unlawfully suspended or expelled from school. The intentional omission of a single word -- “unlawfully” -- is a gross exaggeration of the students’ position that negatively affected public opinion of the lawsuit, the students, and their challenge to the school board’s policy.

The problem with that is that most of the students affected by the policy really shouldn't be in school because they are disruptive, dangerous or both.

“Most” of these students were suspended or expelled based on a school official’s unsubstantiated suspicion of gang involvement, with no hearing and no evidence. Even if any such evidence existed, two wrongs do not make a right, especially when the second wrong is perpetrated by those entrusted to teach our children the principles of good citizenship, including respect for the law.

As if that wasn't enough, the lawsuit would then have us remove all school resource officers, the law enforcement personnel who are posted at schools. "They can have security," said Patti Solari, the NCCU associate law professor who filed the suit, "But it's got to be someone else." Just who that might be is anyone's guess.

No guesswork needed. Anyone who serves in the capacity of school resource officer (SRO) should be trained to interact with adolescents and teenagers. SRO’s are on location in the schools on a daily basis. They sometimes have as much, if not more, contact with an individual student as the student’s teachers.

In Durham, SRO’s are deputies appointed by the sheriff who are paid substantially more than most teachers. They have almost unfettered discretion to identify students as “suspected” of “gang-affiliated” activity; yet they have no formal training in either adolescent psychology or gang identification and intervention. The only “evidence” required to suspend a student for gang-related activity is an SRO’s unsubstantiated suspicion.

One student was recommended for long-term suspension, from mid-October through the remainder of the school year, when an SRO told an assistant principal that he saw the student, after school, “throwing up gang signs toward the bus parking lot.” The SRO was unable to identify either the gang “signs” he purportedly saw the student make or the particular gang with which the purported signs were affiliated.

Perhaps we should put the Bloods and Crips in charge. If the suspended and expelled students are reinstated and the security officers are removed, the next ones to leave will be the teachers and the students who weren't suspended.

No further comment needed.

One of the plaintiffs in the suit is Sheryl Smith, whose son Todd Douglas was gunned down Nov. 5. Smith believes the schools unfairly labeled her son as a gang member, an action that indirectly led to his death. Todd Douglas' death was a terrible tragedy, and we won't begin to debate why it occurred.

Neither the cause of this young man’s senseless death, nor the persons responsible, is subject to debate. See the attached article, Mother's Fight for Son Ends.

But after his death, Smith's surviving daughters stayed home from school, leading to a recent truancy hearing against her at which she was acquitted. Smith testified she was concerned because her daughters had been threatened at school. She said she believed some of those involved in her son's murder still attended Hillside.

When Sheryl publicly challenged Todd’s suspension, school superintendent Ann T. Denlinger banned her from ever setting foot on the grounds of any Durham public school property. After Todd’s murder, Sheryl received anonymous phone calls threatening both Sheryl and her two young daughters. What parent would even consider dropping off their young daughters somewhere down the road from their school, a school she had no right to visit to check on her children’s safety, meet with their teachers, attend their activities, or pick them up if they became ill?

That sounds as though Smith acknowledges there are some people in school who shouldn't be there, who pose a threat to other children. Therefore, we need effective discipline for those students and professional security as a deterrent. What we don't need is a distraction like this lawsuit.

Everyone, including Sheryl, Durham school officials and law enforcement, and former District Attorney Mike Nifong (of Duke Lacrosse fame) knew exactly who was involved. They are all self-professed Bloods. Most confessed their involvement shortly after Todd’s murder. That now, more than two years later, some of these admitted murderers remain enrolled in a public high school demonstrates profoundly inadequate security, even with “professional security as a deterrent.”

The press has consistently over-played the threat of gang violence in public schools and, just as consistently, associated that threat with young Black men. “So every Black man is seen as a criminal; and Black criminals in a group or gang are seen as a new breed of inhuman beasts. And, more and more, the distinction between ordinary Black man and Black gang member is disappearing.” Joan W. Howard, Representing Black Male Innocence, 1 Journal of Gender Race & Justice 97, 113 (1997).

According to a report released by The Justice Policy Institute in July 2007, youth crime in the United States is at its lowest levels in three decades and gangs are responsible for a relatively small share of crime. "Gang units were formed in response to political, public and media pressure," the report says, and “law enforcement is exaggerating the problem in order to cash in on government grants.” http://www.justicepolicy.org/newsitem_show.php?item=27 We have the media to thank for zero tolerance policies that fuel the school-to-prison pipeline and misdirect tax dollars that could be used to improve dreadfully under-funded public schools.

Black men are criminals, and Black women are sexually promiscuous. Just last night, during the Republican Presidential debate, CNN set the stage to ask former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney what he would do to combat the crisis of Black-on-Black crime. Romney responded that African Americans had lost all sense of family values and offered as proof that 68% of all Black babies in America are born out-of-wedlock.

I have been unable to track down any support for Romney’s offer of proof other than several out-dated reports generated by right-wing “think-tanks,” none of which identify the source of the so-called “data” reported. Current CDC reports indicate that the percentage of Black women having children out-of-wedlock is at a 40-year low and that the percentage of out-of-wedlock births among Black teenagers has not changed since the 1920’s. One has to wonder what all those Black women were doing 40 years ago when so many Black men were dying in Viet Nam.

Don’t be fooled by the lies being told. Like the RED WORDS say, “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:32.

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11-30-2007, 12:58 PM

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school. Only 35% of black male students graduated from high school in
Chicago and only 26% in New York City, according to a 2006 report by
The Schott Foundation for Public Education. Only a few black boys who
finish high school actually attend college, and of those few black boys
who enter college, nationally, only 22% of them LOR=", finish college.

Young black male students have the worst grades, the lowest test scores,
and the highest dropout rates of all students in the country. When these
young black men don't succeed in school, they are much more likely to
succeed in the nation's criminal justice and penitentiary system. And it
was discovered recently that even when a young black man graduates from
a U.S. college, there is a good chance that he is from Africa, the
Caribbean or Europe, and not the United States.

Black men in prison in America have become as American as apple pie.
There are more black men in prisons and jails in the United States
(about 1.1 million) than there are black men incarcerated in the rest of
the world combined. This criminalization process now starts in
elementary schools with black male children as young as six and seven
years old being arrested in staggering numbers according to a 2005
report, Education on Lockdown by the Advancement Project.

The rest of the world is watching and following the lead of America.
Other countries including England, Canada, Jamaica, Brazil and South
Africa are adopting American social policies that encourage the
incarceration and destruction of young black men. This is leading to a
world-wide catastrophe. But still, there is no adequate response from
the American or global black community.

Worst of all is the passivity, neglect and disengagement of the black
community concerning the future of our black boys. We do little while
the future lives of black boys are being destroyed in record numbers.
The schools that black boys attend prepare them with skills that will
make them obsolete before, and if, they graduate. In a strange and
perverse way, the black community, its elf, has started to w age a kind
of war against young black men and has become part of this destructive
process.

Who are young black women going to marry? Who is going to build and
maintain the economies of black communities? Who is going to anchor
strong families in the black community? Who will young black boys
emulate as they grow into men? Where is the outrage of the black
community at the destruction of its black boys? Where are the plans and
the supportive actions to change this? Is this the beginning of the end
of the black people in America ?

The list of those who have failed young black men includes our
government, our foundations, our schools, our media, our black churches,
our black leaders, and even our parents. Ironical ly, experts say that
the solutions to the problems of young black men are simple and
relatively inexpensive, but they may not be easy, practical or popular.
It is not that we lack solutions as much as it is that we lack the will
to implement these solutions to save black boys. It seems that
government is willing to pay billions of dollars to lock up young black
men, rather than the millions it would take to prepare them to become
viable contributors and valued members of our society.

Please consider these simple goals that can lead to solutions for fixing
the problems of young black men:

Short term
1) Teach all black boys to read at grade level by the third grade and to
embrace education.
2) Provide positive role models for black boys.
3) Create a stable home environment for black boys that includes contact
with their fathers.
4) Ensure that black boys have a strong spiritual base.
5) Control the negative media influences on black boys.
6) Teach black boys to respect all girls and women.

Long term
1) Invest as much money in educating black boys as in locking up black
men.
2) Help connect black boys to a positive vision of themselves in the
future.
3) Create high expectations and help black boys live into those high
expectations.
4) Build a positive peer culture for black boys.
5) Teach black boys self-discipline, culture and history.
6) Teach black boys and the communities in which they live to embrace
education and life-long learning.

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kaosj30

11-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Hello Mr. Baisden,

I heard a young lady call into your program today. I am a listener here in Rowlett, TX 94.5 Ksoul. She spoke about initial W. in Atlanta, GA. Well, I hope you will pass this along to her. She needs to tell "W" it is a felony to knowing and purposefully have unprotected sex with anyone. Since the CDC will not do anything, all someone must do is call the police. This is not a joke, I know you will call the police and verify. It is against the law to spread AIDS on purpose to others. I hope he gets help. I can't imagine the despair he must feel. However, that is not a reason to give others his death sentence. Since, she can't reason with him, please advice her to call the police. They will stop him! There are cases everywhere now for this particular crime.

killuminati

12-11-2007, 10:59 PM

This makes no sense at all...you say all the candidates are corrupt...and tell us to "stand up" and "time is getting short?" Barack Obama is the best candidate I've seen so far in either party, and he has MY VOTE! I'm not basing it on the color of his skin, but on what he stands for!

no sense to you. all the candidates running for president are either apart of the Council on Foreign Relations, Tri-lateral Commission or Skull and Bones. this is FACT, not make-believe.

but sense you replied to me, let me ask questions from your post.

1. Do you know that Obama's wife is apart of the Council of Foreign Relations of Chicago? and there's only New York and Chicago with these councils.

2. Do you not know how to stand up?

3. Have you not been paying attention to the world around you? Biblical signs are being shown, even down to China and Russia practicing war games. Ezekiel 38 and 39 is just a start.

and I don't care what color someone happens to be. I used to support Ron Paul until I recently research that he's apart of the John Birch Society, which has strong ties to Rockefeller and the like. this isn't about "tearing the black man down" at all. in 2004, when Obama made that speech at the DNC, I was impressed, yet befuddled. why befuddled? because he specifically said some things pertaining to Bush and Fox News gave him a good review. they control both sides of the field. Kerry and Bush, in 04, were apart of the same mold, and actually being related to each other.

there's more to what's being said than what's being said. look at history and you will see that they have created and destroyed much of what we know as history. they even created the American Historical Association and other educational institutions alike.

killuminati

12-11-2007, 11:08 PM

Who do you suggest we as blacks vote for in 08? Do you suggest that we vote at all?

I suggest we regroup first and identify the enemy. As far as voting, on a national scale, that boat has sunk. But the local scale, as far as counties, should be a focus. N.S.P.D. 51 and H.R. 1955/S. 1959 basically spell martial law and the right granted by the president to do so, under any circumstance he deems necessary. and it's also because of N.S.P.D. 51 that I even question a election taking place.

the superficial life must be dropped, in order for any change to occur. that's their stranglehold on society.

WORD IS

12-15-2007, 09:32 PM

The following article can be found at http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5816454. To see an interview with this principal, go to http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2131167

ACLU looks into segregated meetings at a Raleigh middle school
Thursday, December 06, 2007 | 9:10 AM

By Shae Crisson
RALEIGH -- Dillard Drive Middle School Principal Teresa Abron called upon all 7th grade teachers Tuesday to send all African American students to an assembly and all Hispanic students to an assembly once the "black students" returned to class.

Abron tells Eyewitness News that the meetings were held following a gang related argument between an African American 7th grade girl and an Hispanic 7th grade girl.

"One student had on clothing attire that was not appropriate for the school environment and the other student reacted to that," she said.

A Wake County Schools spokesperson told Eyewitness News that one of the students flashed gang signs at the other student after the argument which intimidated the other student.

When Abron was asked repeatedly during an Eyewitness News interview why all students of those two backgrounds were called into separate meetings she said she included students directly connected to the situation.

Eyewitness News Reporter Shae Crisson asked, "How is every single Hispanic 7th grade student directly connected? Or, every African American 7th grader?"

Abron responded, "There was so many that were involved. I was not there directly to see it but it was shared with me that there were so many students that were rallying around this one young lady and this other young lady and it was very clear that it was our Hispanic students and our African American students. And with any situation when students are involved in a situation we address the situation with those students."

Eyewitness News also asked why an assembly wasn't held for white students.
"Why not the 7th grade white students, knowing that certainly some of the 7th grade Hispanic and African American students may be friends. Certainly, they intermingle and are classmates," Crisson asked.

Abron replied with the same response as she did to our previous questions. "We addressed the issue with those students that were directly connected to it," she said.

Jennifer Rudinger, The Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina, feels all of the students should have been included in a single assembly.

"Unfortunately, it appears the students were treated differently based solely on their race or ethnicity. So, students who were white got to keep getting an education, they got to keep learning. The students who were students of color seem to be a 'problem to be dealt with,' since they were pulled apart and were lectured on school policies and zero tolerance. This is a discussion that should have taken place either only with the students involved in the altercation or with the larger group of students together not segregating them based on race or ethnicity," Rudinger said.

Rudinger commends the principal for trying to create a peaceful, harmonious school environment but feels the segregated meetings sent the wrong message.

"The school should treat all students alike regardless of their race or ethnicity," she said. "They seem to be assuming that people only hang out with people of their own race."

Principal Abron said she did not bring the groups together because she felt there was too much tension that would have only escalated.

In response, Rudinger said, "All students should've been brought together if there are tensions in the school it affects all of the students."

Abron feels she handled the situation well and added, "We all grow from feedback, both positive and negative and I welcome any comment from our community, parents on the issue." Abron says parents, PTA members and board members she has spoken with have given her positive feedback even though the ACLU and parents who contacted Eyewitness News strongly disagree.

(Copyright ©2007 WTVD-TV/DT. All Rights Reserved.)

WORD IS

12-15-2007, 10:34 PM

Orange County is one of the more progressive counties in North Carolina. Still, even in Orange, second-generation school segregation is alive and well. The following story, published in the News & Observer, can be found at http://www.newsobserver.com/news/education/story/831519.html

The News & Observer
Published: Dec 15, 2007 12:30 AM
Orange to keep schools separate
Cheryl Johnston Sadgrove, Staff Writer

HILLSBOROUGH - The Orange County school board adopted a new plan Friday for Central and Hillsborough elementary schools.

The schools, which are just a few blocks apart, have the lowest and highest test scores in the district, respectively. Central also has the highest percentage of children who qualify for subsidized lunches, nearly 70 percent, while Hillsborough has the lowest, at 15.5 percent. Since February, school board members have been discussing ways to better balance the schools. Proposals have ranged from merger to closing one school or the other.

The plan the board passed Friday keeps the schools separate with Central operating on a traditional calendar while Hillsborough remains a year-round school of choice. It also involves:

REDIRECTING TITLE 1 MONEY FROM CENTRAL AND EFLAND-CHEEKS ELEMENTARY. Instead of the federal dollars going directly to these two schools for resources such as reading recovery teachers, the board will apply the money to a new district pre-K program to be housed at the two schools.

The board said it will replace the federal money so Central and Efland-Cheeks still get resources. The board thinks that can be done by adjusting class sizes to free up four teaching positions.

The redirection of the federal dollars enables the district to remove the two schools from federal School of Improvement status. That means parents with children there won't have the option of moving their students to other schools in the district. Parents who already have done so will get to keep their children in the school they chose.

ESTABLISHING A FOUR-WEEK SUMMER PROGRAM AT CENTRAL. The board didn't decide what that would look like and doesn't know how much it would cost.

CREATING A PROGRAM TO ATTRACT NEW FAMILIES TO CENTRAL. Suggestions include a teacher for the gifted, a creative arts partnership and a special math program.

SETTING ATTENDANCE-ZONE QUOTAS FOR HILLSBOROUGH. The new plan limits how many students from each elementary attendance zone can go to Hillsborough Elementary at 20 percent. Preference will be given to those students who volunteer information that they qualify for subsidized lunches.

GRANDFATHERING STUDENTS AT HILLSBOROUGH. Third-, fourth- and fifth-graders and their siblings will be allowed to stay at Hillsborough, but they will count toward the 20 percent cap from their attendance zone. Children currently attending the lower grades will have to reapply for next year.

CREATING A ONE-YEAR GOAL TO IMPROVE POPULATION BALANCE AT BOTH SCHOOLS. The board hopes to lower the number of low-income students by 5 percentage points at Central Elementary while increasing it by the same amount at Hillsborough Elementary next year. The long-term district goal is for all schools to have an equal percentage of students who qualify for free or reduced lunch, plus or minus 10 percentage points. The district average is 38 percent.

The plan, which was proposed by Chairman Ted Triebel and amended by several others, passed 5 to 2, with Al Hartkopf and Anne Medenblik dissenting. They said the plan shouldn't be voted on until the next meeting to allow for public comment.

Former school board member Keith Cook tried to speak on that issue but was not allowed to. The board had asked for public comments at the beginning of the meeting, before the plan was presented, and did not allow time for comments at the end before the vote.

Triebel and the other board members said that while they could appreciate wanting the time for more comments, they didn't want to drag out the decision until January.

cheryl.sadgrove@newsobserver.com or (919) 932-2005
© Copyright 2007, The News & Observer Publishing Company
A subsidiary of The McClatchy Company

Take a look at the numbers from these two schools. .

The following represents the number of students in each racial classification. The percentage of students in that racial classification who passed both the reading and math tests is shown in parenthesis.

Central Elementary: 149 students took the ABC’s End of Grade Test

White 74 (52.7%)
Black 56 (32.1%)
Hispanic 15 (60%)
Native American None
Asian/Pacific Islander None
Multi-racial 4 Not reported

Hillsboro Elementary:167 students took the ABC’s End of Grade Test:

White 134 (91.8%)
Black 25 (52%)
Hispanic None
Native American None
Asian/Pacific Islander None
Multi-racial 8 (87.5)

These numbers, as shameful as they may be, don't come close to representing the disparities that exist in many, if not most, public school districts nationwide. This is systemic racism. It will not go away on its own. We must take action, make noise, at least pay attention.

Lucky1

12-16-2007, 01:06 AM

I totally agree with the article only I think it was more like two generations lost. I'm 45 years old now and have spent a considerable amount of my life from the age of 17 in and out of prisons. I now drive tractor-trailer for a living, have a great wife and a newborn daughter. I was one of the lucky ones that went through that tunnel and was able to reach the light at the other end. The way things were in the streets when I was a youth in the 70's was bad but they've only intensified over the years and when crack came out that was it...any and everybody was a thug, gangster and the like. That was what the youth of the 80's and 90's viewed as success...A Nino Brown character. I don't really know the answer to the problem but I do know it can be found in the home if the home has two parents. I don't think a women can adequately raise a young man although it's been done. We as a race need to get our priorities in order and understand that every black boy is your family because we're all related. It must be taught in the home before it can be carried into the street or possibly at youth centers. We used to have after-school centers which would be a perfect place to instill such things but they're a thing of the past nowadays. Maybe the Boys Clubs could help? All I know is that the youth of today are very rude, disrespectful and uncaring of others so it's kind of hard for strangers to reach them...it must start in the home. thank you:confused:

WORD IS

12-19-2007, 08:58 PM

Based on a recent report published by the National Center for Education Statistics, in 2003:

Of all public school students nationwide,

67.8% were white
32.2% were Black
13.7% were Hispanic students

Of all male public school students nationwide:

Who repeated a grade,
10% were white
22.6% were Black
11.3% were Hispanic

Who were suspended,
12.7% were white
24.2% were Black
14.4% were Hispanic

Who were expelled,
2.2% were white
6.7% were Black
1.9% were Hispanic

Of all female public school students nationwide:

Who repeated a grade,
6.4% were white
12% were Black
9.8% were Hispanic

Who were suspended,
4.6% were white
15.2% were Black
6.2% were Hispanic.

Who were expelled,
0.6% were white
3.3% were Black
0.9% were Hispanic

Taken from Status and Trends in the Education of Racial and Ethnic Minorities: 2006-2007 (September 2007) (available online at http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2007/minoritytrends/index.asp)

Academic researchers have been collecting similar evidence of race-based disciplinary disparities for more than 25 years. The following is excerpted from an article published in the Chicago Tribune’s Web Edition on September 25, 2007. The original article is available online at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070924discipline,0,22104.story?page=1&coll=chi_tab01_layout.

School discipline tougher on African Americans
By Howard Witt|Tribune senior correspondent
hwitt@tribune.com
September 25, 2007

AUSTIN, Texas - In the average New Jersey public school, African-American students are almost 60 times as likely as white students to be expelled for serious disciplinary infractions.

In Minnesota, black students are suspended 6 times as often as whites. In Iowa, blacks make up just 5 percent of the statewide public school enrollment but account for 22 percent of the students who get suspended.
Fifty years after federal troops escorted nine black students through the doors of an all-white high school in Little Rock, Ark., in a landmark school integration struggle, America's public schools remain as unequal as they have ever been when measured in terms of disciplinary sanctions such as suspensions and expulsions, according to little-noticed data collected by the U.S. Department of Education for the 2004-2005 school year.

In every state but Idaho, a Tribune analysis of the data shows, black students are being suspended in numbers greater than would be expected from their proportion of the student population. In 21 states—Illinois among them—that disproportionality is so pronounced that the percentage of black suspensions is more than double their percentage of the student body. And on average across the nation, black students are suspended and expelled at nearly three times the rate of white students.

No other ethnic group is disciplined at such a high rate, the federal data show. Hispanic students are suspended and expelled in almost direct proportion to their populations, while white and Asian students are disciplined far less.

Yet black students are no more likely to misbehave than other students from the same social and economic environments, research studies have found. Some impoverished black children grow up in troubled neighborhoods and come from broken families, leaving them less equipped to conform to behavioral expectations in school. While such socioeconomic factors contribute to the disproportionate discipline rates, researchers say that poverty alone cannot explain the disparities.

"There simply isn't any support for the notion that, given the same set of circumstances, African-American kids act out to a greater degree than other kids," said Russell Skiba, professor of educational psychology at Indiana University. "In fact, the data indicate that African-American students are punished more severely for the same offense, so clearly something else is going on. We can call it structural inequity or we can call it institutional racism."

Academic researchers have been quietly collecting evidence of such race-based disciplinary disparities for more than 25 years. Yet the phenomenon remains largely obscured from public view by the popular emphasis on "zero tolerance" crackdowns, which are supposed to deliver equally harsh punishments based on a student's infraction, not skin color.

That's not what the data say is happening. Yet the federal Education Department's Office of Civil Rights, which is charged with investigating allegations of discriminatory discipline policies in the nation's public schools, has opened just one such probe in the past three years. Officials declined requests to explain why.

There's more at stake than just a few bad marks in a student's school record. Studies show that a history of school suspensions or expulsions is a strong predictor of future trouble with the law—and the first step on what civil rights leaders have described as a "school-to-prison pipeline" for black youths, who represent 16 percent of U.S. adolescents but 38 percent of those incarcerated in youth prisons.

Relatively few school districts scattered across the country have begun to acknowledge the issue of racial disparities in discipline and tried to do something about it.

In Austin, after administrators discovered that black youths accounted for 14 percent of the school district's population but 37 percent of the students sent to punitive alternative schools, they introduced a program in some schools based on encouraging positive student behaviors rather than punishing negative ones.

At one school, Pickle Elementary, which serves mostly Hispanic and black students, the results were dramatic—disciplinary referrals dropped from 520 in 2001-2002 to just 20 last year. "I am not going to give up on a child and suspend him or send him to an alternative school," said Julie Pryor, who was the principal of the school when the behavioral program was implemented and is now a district administrator. "Washing our hands of a child will never change his behavior, it just makes it worse. These are children. It's up to us to be creative to find ways to help them behave."

But academic experts say many more school administrators, when confronted with data showing disparate rates of discipline for minority students, react like officials in the small east Texas town of Paris and strenuously deny accusations of racial discrimination.

Paris is the sole school district in the nation currently under investigation by the federal Education Department to determine whether higher discipline rates for black students there constitute institutionalized discrimination. The probe has been under way for more than a year. "The school district has been a leader and very progressive when it comes to race relations," Dennis Eichelbaum, the attorney for the Paris Independent School District, said in an interview earlier this year.

That perspective is not shared by the families of many of Paris' black students, who make up 40 percent of the school district's nearly 4,000 students. "They say there's no racism here, but if you go inside a school and look in the room where they send the kids for detention, almost all the faces are black," said Brenda Cherry, a Paris civil rights activist who assembled some of the complaints that sparked the federal investigation. "Unless black people are just a bad race of people, something is wrong here."

Exactly why black students across the nation are suspended and expelled more frequently than children of other races is a question that continues to perplex sociologists. Socioeconomic factors are certainly at play, researchers believe.

"Studies of school suspension have consistently documented disproportionality by socioeconomic status. Students who receive free school lunch are at increased risk for school suspension," according to "The Color of Discipline," a 2000 study by Skiba and other researchers in Indiana and Nebraska. Another study concluded that "students whose fathers did not have a full-time job were significantly more likely to be suspended than students whose fathers were employed full time." But those studies and others have repeatedly found that racial factors are even more important.

"Poor home environment does carry over into the school environment," said Skiba, who is widely regarded as the nation's foremost authority on school discipline and race. "But middle-class and upper-class black students are also being disciplined more often than their white peers. Skin color in itself is a part of this function."

Some experts point to cultural miscommunications between black students and white teachers, who fill 83 percent of the nation's teaching ranks. In fact, the Tribune analysis found, some of the highest rates of racially disproportionate discipline are found in states with the lowest minority populations, where the disconnect between white teachers and black students is potentially the greatest.

"White teachers feel more threatened by boys of color," said Isela Gutierrez, a juvenile justice expert at the Texas Criminal Justice Coalition, a watchdog and policy group. "They are viewed as disruptive. What might be their more assertive way of asking a question, for example, is viewed as popping off at the mouth."

Nor has the decline of court-ordered integration across the nation and the gradual resegregation of urban schools in recent decades made much difference in disciplinary rates. Even in urban schools where most of the students are black, black youths are still disciplined out of proportion to their population, the data show. In Washington, D.C., for example, black students are 84 percent of the public school population but 97 percent of the students who are suspended.

Other researchers believe that zero-tolerance policies, which encourage teachers and administrators to crack down on even minor, non-violent misbehavior, are exacerbating racial disparities. Some states, such as Texas, are so zealous that they have criminalized many school infractions, saddling tens of thousands of students with misdemeanor criminal records for offenses such as swearing or disrupting class.

The school security climate, in turn, can reinforce race-based expectations about which students are most likely to require discipline. "Most suburban schools, where the students are more likely to be white, purchase security equipment that is meant to protect children—for example, hand scanners that make sure that the parent/guardian picking up the child is legitimate," said Ronnie Casella, an expert on the criminalization of student behavior at Central Connecticut State University. "In contrast, urban schools choose equipment such as metal detectors and surveillance cameras that are meant to catch youths committing crimes."

"Most schools use a get-tough, punish-the-kids kind of perspective, which results in the kinds of racial disciplinary disparities we see across the country," said George Sugai, a professor of education at the University of Connecticut who helped create the positive behavioral program. "We come at it from the other perspective: If you teach kids the behaviors that are expected, you have a greater likelihood of success. It's really more about changing how adults interact with kids than it is about changing the kids."

Schools like Pickle Elementary in Austin that are using the positive behavioral program often report sharp reductions in their disciplinary referrals. But Skiba, who is currently studying the effectiveness of the program, cautions that it does not always eliminate racial disparities.

"They've been very successful at reducing rates of suspension and expulsion while making schools function more effectively," Skiba said of the schools using the program. "But if you look at the data by race, what you find is that some discrepancies still exist. It's not enough to put this program in place and say, 'We are happy to reduce our rates of suspension,' because what we might have done is reduce our white suspensions and increase our African-American suspensions. There's just no silver bullet for this problem."

Now, today, everyone, whether a student, parent, teacher, administrator, or politician, every single person who cares about our children and the future of our Nation must step forward, speak up, take action, or at least pay attention.

WORD IS

12-19-2007, 09:15 PM

As illustrated by the following excerpt from Education Week, racial disparities in school discipline are not the only evidence of second generation segregation in our public schools.

Minorities in Special Education Studied by U.S. Panel
By Christina A. Samuels,
Education Week, Vol. 27, Issue 15, Pages 18-20 (published online Dec. 6, 2007) (available online at http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2007/12/12/15rights.h27.html?print=1)

A hearing by the U.S. Civil Rights Commission this week on minority overrepresentation in special education expanded into a three-hour discussion that touched on parental choice, school officials’ judgment calls on special education placements, and effective early-childhood education.

The commission plans to sift through the issues raised at the Dec. 3 hearing and make recommendations on the minority-overrepresentation issue, which has vexed educators for years.

Such disproportionality is viewed as a problem because in certain disability categories, minority students are represented in higher proportions than they are in overall student enrollments. Those students are often placed in self-contained special education classrooms and given instruction that isn’t as rigorous as the curriculum offered to other students. Many minority students in special education never graduate from high school.

Minority students are more likely to be found in the so-called “judgmental” disability categories that require some degree of subjectivity on the part of a school-based team in the evaluation process, such as learning disabilities, mental retardation, and emotional disturbance.

Stephanie J. Monroe, the assistant secretary for civil rights at the Department of Education; … told the commission that a 1992 survey found that although black students made up about 16 percent of the total U.S. student population, about 32 percent of students classified as mildly mentally retarded and about 22 percent of students diagnosed with serious emotional and behavioral disturbances were black. “Sadly, those disparities have not changed significantly” since 1992, she said.

Matthew Ladner, the vice president of research for the Goldwater Institute, a think tank in Phoenix, has studied minority overrepresentation in special education for the state of Arizona. His research has shown that minority students in predominantly white school districts were significantly more at risk of being placed in special education than those in predominantly minority districts. “There’s a massive amount of error in these judgmental categories,” Mr. Ladner said.

The Civil Rights Commission, which reports to the president and Congress on bias issues, has taken up the special education issue in part because some of its members, including Commission chair, Gerald A. Reynolds, have served in the Education Department. Reynolds is former head of the Education Department’s office for civil rights, which investigates complaints of disproportionality in school districts…. and issues reports on its findings.

The panel is accepting public comments on disproportionality as it drafts its report. Comments may be sent by e-mail to cbyrnes@usccr.gov.

Please take a moment to e-mail the Commission and demand an immediate end to second generation segregation in our public schools. Pass your message along to others who care about our children and the future of our Nation and ask them to do the same.

CarolynW

12-21-2007, 09:25 AM

BREAKING NEWS DECEMBER 19, 2007 - Special Prosecutor drops murder charges against James Arthur Johnson, a man who was held in prison in North Carolina for THREE YEARS WITHOUT A TRIAL.

Also dropped were kidnapping, rape, and robbery charges. However, Johnson is still being charged with "accessory after the fact" in the murder of Brittany Willis in 2004. Read the complete story here. (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/840418.html)

If you would like to file a complaint against the District Attorney, William Wolfe, who was the prosecutor responsible for wasting three years of James Johnson's life by falsely imprisoning him, please download the form here. (http://www.ncbar.com/PDFs/22.pdf)

You may read the complete story about James Arthur Johnson by going to http://www.americaiswatching.org/JamesArthurJohnson.html (http://www.americaiswatching.org/JamesArthurJohnson.html)

WORD IS

02-14-2008, 12:29 AM

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This is the most damaging situation to face the Black community. The issue is Black boys being treated by every aspect of this world as a non-entity. With this perspective of "non-entity" the resulting behavior is worst than if the systems in their various environments treated them with "low" expectations. The truth of the matter is that Black boys are treated from a perspective of "NO" expectations. They are regarded as a nuisance at home, in school, on the streets and just about anywhere they appear.
Think about it for a moment. Something or in this case, someone rendered a "nothing" may eventually begin to behave as though they are nothing. Being nothing could suggest no rules, no standards, no values and no purpose.
So, how do we address this genocidal emplosion? In out community we might start looking for ways to value them as important to the future of our race and act accordingly.
The education system and the world of employment would be the secondary steps in dealing with public policy situations coordinated with our interaction.

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