Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

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Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Update: Heather MacDonald will be a guest on the Michael Baisden Show for Monday's Hot News

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.

[joy316]

It amazes me that whenever we speak out about an injustice the topic is quickly switched to Black-on-Black crime. My answer is, why not address both?

The first thing we need to address the Black-on-Black situation is to get honest, hard-working, sincere, police in our neighborhoods and the criminals out. The is crime in our communities because the criminals are not stupid--if they go to other areas and do the same things they will be arrested, prosecuted, and sent to prison.

But make no mistake, the issues like the Jena 6 will not stop unless they too are addressed.

[deadeyes]

I become fearful anytime someone looks to the state to do anything. After all, the little that it does manage to do it invariably does poorly. Black people don't need any more policing/governing. We've arrived at our current state through the supposed benevolence of those who purport to do what's best for us. I firmly believe that rejecting the enticement to suckle at the government teat-be it welfare, policing, healthcare or other governmental program-and demand that Blacks exercise all of our God-given and constitutional rights.

Prime among those rights, are the second amendment rights, which have been denied to all law abiding citizens living within the most violent communities in our country. You can't police your own when the people you want to drive out have guns and you don't. This doesn't mean that we should advocate posse law in the hood. It means that good citizens should be given the opportunity to behave like good citizens by reporting criminals to the authorities without fear of being defenseless in the face of reprisals. I have yet to hear of a community that has eased restrictions to gun ownership and gun carry in this country where all violent crime has not decreased. In most cases the decreases are dramatic. I won't belabor the point further but for all you would be gun-banners here's a link to a much need 2nd amendment education www.guncite.com.

Racism is a millstone carried around our necks for too long. Casting it off without severing the behaviors that bind it to us will be next to impossible. Anyone with knowledge of the case in Jena can see the overzealous approach taken by the DA. What they also see unfortunately, is that those kids aren't "innocent". That puts a real damper on whatever cross cultural support they could have received. This type of typical response won't change until the actions of the accused are no longer typical. Then, we can righteously prosecute (or persecute as the case may be) anyone who dares to impugn our good name.

To accomplishing that, I would like to see and attend a protest march, where 50,000 Blacks show up in the hood to protest when a truly innocent child is gunned down or raped or is sold drugs or initiated into a gang. It's time for the family to "shut'em down".

[roe2mont]

I become fearful anytime someone looks to the state to do anything. After all, the little that it does manage to do it invariably does poorly. Black people don't need any more policing/governing. We've arrived at our current state through the supposed benevolence of those who purport to do what's best for us. I firmly believe that rejecting the enticement to suckle at the government teat-be it welfare, policing, healthcare or other governmental program-and demand that Blacks exercise all of our God-given and constitutional rights.

Prime among those rights, are the second amendment rights, which have been denied to all law abiding citizens living within the most violent communities in our country. You can't police your own when the people you want to drive out have guns and you don't. This doesn't mean that we should advocate posse law in the hood. It means that good citizens should be given the opportunity to behave like good citizens by reporting criminals to the authorities without fear of being defenseless in the face of reprisals. I have yet to hear of a community that has eased restrictions to gun ownership and gun carry in this country where all violent crime has not decreased. In most cases the decreases are dramatic. I won't belabor the point further but for all you would be gun-banners here's a link to a much need 2nd amendment education www.guncite.com.

Racism is a millstone carried around our necks for too long. Casting it off without severing the behaviors that bind it to us will be next to impossible. Anyone with knowledge of the case in Jena can see the overzealous approach taken by the DA. What they also see unfortunately, is that those kids aren't "innocent". That puts a real damper on whatever cross cultural support they could have received. This type of typical response won't change until the actions of the accused are no longer typical. Then, we can righteously prosecute (or persecute as the case may be) anyone who dares to impugn our good name.

To accomplishing that, I would like to see and attend a protest march, where 50,000 Blacks show up in the hood to protest when a truly innocent child is gunned down or raped or is sold drugs or initiated into a gang. It's time for the family to "shut'em down".


It's still an economic issue as well, although I do agree with you 150%. It is time for the silence in the inner city neighborhood's to stop!!!! Once again too many of our young men are dying.

I have to give credit where is due though, there are people/organization within the communities trying to make a difference. I attended a meeting with Men United For Change where along with Bill Cosby and some ex-offenders and many others, they tried to reach our young people expressing upon them the need to be different and not glorify the drug dealers and want to be thugs. Yes!! they did tell them to pull up their pants letting them know where this fade origanted.

There was also a forum for 10,000 men to come together to discuss how to address and make a changes within our communities (Philly PA) attacking the drug issues and the alarming death rate of our young men and yes!! they were from all religious backgrounds. Basically that is what it is going to take to have a positive impact in our communities, we can no longer complain and point fingers if we don't do what is neccessary to help make the change. We are either part of the problem or we are part of the solution.

[zion]

TPS HATE CRIME AT ROGERS HS...STAND UP GOOD PEOPLE!

ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2007 JENA [6], LA. NAT'L PROTEST DAY, TEACHERS, DANIEL AND GAY REEVES-CASTER CAME TO ROGERS HS, 222 MCTIGUE AVE., TOLEDO, OH 43615 WITH HANGMAN'S NOOSE. DANIEL CASTER DID STAND IN CLASSROOM DOORWAY AND DISPLAY TO ALL STUDENTS PASSING BY WHILE CHANGING CLASSES THAT HE WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE HANGMAN'S NOOSE USED IN JENA, LA. HE DID TAUNT ALL HIS CLASSES ALL DAY. HE DID ASSAULT, INTIMIDATE, MENACE, AND TAUNT HIS STUDENTS IN EVERY CLASS ALL DAY. HE USED THE NOOSE ALSO AS A WHIP. HE PLACED THE NOOSE AROUND HIS NECK AND POINTED AT CERTAIN STUDENTS. WHEN THE STUDENT'S NOTIFIED THE PRINCIPAL, TONY BRASHEAR, HE LAUGHED AND DID NOTHING. THE TEACHERS ASKED SAID NOTHING. THE SECURITY GUARDS, OFFICER FUELING, CPOS, GARY WOLFE, ETC. DID NOTHING AFTER THE STUDENTS TOLD THEM. THE HALL MONITORS DID NOTHING. THESE PERSONS ARE ALL CAUCASIAN.

WE REPORTED THIS HATE CRIME TO OFFICER KOELLING OF THE TOLEDO, [OHIO] POLICE DEPT AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS SGT. FRYE, SO THAT CHARGES COULD BE FILED, AND HE SAID THE TEACHERS CLAIMED THEY DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I ASKED HOW MANY OF STUDENTS WERE INTERVIEWED. “WE SAW NO REASON TO TALK TO THE STUDENTS.”
THE POLICE DEPT. DID NOT FILE THE REPORT WE REQUESTED TO BE MADE. COVER UP! THE TOLEDO POLICE DEPT. IS ALSO ‘AIDING AND ABETTING FELONS, AND OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS.

PLEASE NOTE: THE TEACHERS HAVE A COMMERCIAL RUNNING THAT IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THEIR IMAGINE SO THEY CAN RETRY WINNING ANOTHER LEVY FOR A RAISE. WE HAVE 38 SCHOOLS IN ACADEMIC FAILURE! FOR THE PASS 8 YEARS THE HATE CRIME IS BEING COVERED UP! THE BAD PUBLICITY WILL ENSURE FAILURE OF FUTURE LEVIES PASSING FOR THE TEACHER’S RAISE.

AT NO TIME WERE ANY OF MR. OR MRS. CASTER'S STUDENT'S INTERVIEWED IN ANY OF THEIR 8 CLASSES ~480 STUDENTS. NINETY PER CENT OF THE SCHOOL IS BLACK AFRICAN AMERICANS. THE TPS SECURITY WAS TOLD, THE PRINCIPAL, TONY BRASHEAR, WAS TOLD AND HE DID NOTHING. MR. ROFOPHLOUSKI [?] SPOKE TO MR. CASTER BUT WAS TOLD TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT IF HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS JOB. NO OFFICIAL OR TEACHER IN ROGERS HS HAS REPORTED THE STUDENTS’ COMPLAINTS OR FILED A REPORT. THE TEACHING STAFF ~168 TEACHERS ARE ALL CAUCASIAN; ~11 EMPLOYEES OF THE SCHOOL ARE BLACK.

SGT. FRYE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AT THE TOLEDO [OHIO] POLICE DEPT. OFFICER KOELLING SAID THAT OFFICER FUELING @ THE SCHOOL SAW NOTHING ON THE VIDEO TAPES. THEY ARE ASSISTING THE TEACHERS’ UNION IN COVERING THIS UP AND REFUSED TO FILE THE REPORT AS WE REQUESTED. THE PROSECUTOR WILL NOT FILE CHARGES UNLESS HE HAS A POLICE REPORT. I WANT CHARGES FILED AGAINST ALL TEACHERS AND OFFICIALS AT THE SCHOOL ON SEPT 20, 2007.

THESE TEACHERS/SCHOOL HAVE BEEN NOTORIOUSLY RACIST/EVIL. THEY STEAL THESE CHILDREN'S GRADES; GIVE THEM F'S WHEN THEY'VE EARNED A'S; DELIBERATELY LOWER THE CHILDREN’S GRADE POINT AVERAGES; REFUSE TO ALLOW THEM TO GRADUATE WHEN THEY FAIL THE OGT’s BY TWO [2] POINTS; LOCK THEM OUT OF CLASS IN VIOLATION OF GOSS v. LOPEZ 419 U.S.C 565 EVERYDAY AVERAGING 600-800 STUDENT/DAY. {Goss v. Lopez: Removing a child from the class room without notifying the parents and without filing the paper work required by the state laws and the Constitution.} MY CHILDREN WERE REMOVED FROM THIS ROGER'S HS [TPS/MY ALMA MATER] AS OF FRIDAY, SEPT 21, 2007.

GOOD PEOPLE, STAND UP WITH ME AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE. THIS NOT A BLACK v. WHITE ISSUE. IT’S GOOD v. EVIL ISSUE. DON’T LET COLOR DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION FROM WHAT'S RIGHTEOUS AND WHAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR OWN CHILDREN. THESE ARE ALL OF OUR TAX DOLLARS BEING WASTED AND ABUSED AND OUR BABIES ARE BEING TORTURED AND DARED TO TELL.

FYI: I AM AN INVOLVED PARENT. I GO TO ALL [4] OF MY CHILDREN’S SCHOOLS AT LEAST 3 XS/WEEK. I CATCH TEACHERS COMMITTING FELONIES. NOT JUST BREAKING OHIO LAWS, BUT U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS. THESE DEMONS CALLED TEACHERS ARE NOT THE PEOPLE YOU & I HAD FOR EDUCATORS! A CHILD’S SPIRIT NEVER NEEDS TO COME IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE WE ALLOW IN THESE CLASSROOMS/SCHOOLS. PARENTS WAKE UP! GO TO THE SCHOOLS UNANNOUNCED AND CHECK OUT WHAT YOU SEE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO BUSINESS NEAR OUR CHILDREN.

CHECK OUT THE DVD, “A TWIST OF FAITH”, TONY COMES, {AS SEEN ON OPRAH}. PEOPLE, THAT PRIEST WHO ‘ADMITTED’ MOLESTING/ROBBING 67 BOYS [OF THEIR INNOCENCE] WAS THE DEAN/GUIDANCE COUNSELOR AT THIS VERY SAME SCHOOL, ROGERS HIGH SCHOOL, UNTIL ALMOST 2006. IT TOOK OPRAH, HBO, PARENTS, AND S.N.A.P., 18 MONTHS TO GET THIS PRIEST REMOVED FROM ROGERS HS. [HOW MANY OF HEARD ABOUT THIS? TOLEDO NEWS DIDN’T TOUCH THIS STORY, BUT IT WAS ON OPRAH! HBO DID THE MOVIE!] BEFORE WE FINALLY GOT GRID OF [THAT PEDOPHILE] THE PRIEST, TPS MADE HIM THE JANITOR [AT THE SAME RATE OF PAY] AT ROGERS HS. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM!!!! ISN’T THAT THE PURPOSE OF A BACKGROUND CHECK? Di Di Dee!?? ONE ROTTEN APPLE CAN SPOIL A WHOLE BAG. IMAGINE WHAT 90 ROTTEN APPLES CAN DO IN ONE SCHOOL. TOLEDO FEDERATION OF TEACHERS/FRAN LAWRENCE IS PROTECTING THESE DEMONS.

WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO. TPS HAS ~38 SCHOOLS IN ACADEMIC EMERGENCY/FAILURE AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 8 YEARS. SINCE THERE IS NO TEACHING GOING ON, ACCORDING TO THE FACTS [FAILING SCHOOLS], WHAT’S GOING ON IN THOSE CLASSROOMS? GO TO THE SCHOOLS, AND MAKE SURE WE PROTEST THIS HATE CRIME. GET THESE EVIL SPIRITS AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN. A CHILD MOLESTER EMPLOYED BY TPS AND PROTECTED BY TFT. I SHOULDN’T BE THE ONLY ONE UPSET AROUND HERE! JUDGE KUHLMAN THINKS I NEED ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES! EXCUSE ME...ISN'T IT A PARENT'S JOB TO PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN!??? HATE CRIMES AND CHILD MOLESTERS AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE UPSET. DUH! De De Dee!

HINTS: TEACHERS MUST LIVE IN TOLEDO, AS THE LAW STATES. NO EXEMPTIONS. CURRENTLY ~3900 OF ~4500 [2004 STATS] TEACHERS LIVE OUTSIDE TOLEDO. IF ONE DOES NOT LIVE HERE THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT. THESE DEMONS ARE MERELY GETTING A FREE RIDE OFF OF OUR TAX DOLLARS.
TEACHERS MUST HAVE AN EVALUATION EVERY SIX [6] MONTHS, JUST LIKE YOU DO ON YOUR JOB.
CHANGE THE BOARD. ISN’T THE BOARD OF EDUCATION SUPPOSED TO REFLEX THE TAXPAYERS SENTIMENTS? PUT CHERYL CATLIN & CHRIS MEYERS ON THE BOARD.

PLEASE HELP ME PULL OFF THE COVERS OFF THIS HATE CRIME COVER UP. OUR POLICE DEPT. IS AIDING THESE TEACHERS. {THE CAPS ARE ON PURPOSELY. THIS GOD LOVING AND FEARING PARENT IS MORE THAN A TAD BIT PISSED OFF.} GOOD PEOPLE, STAND UP WITH ME AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE. LET’S FIX OUR SCHOOLS.
OUR SCHOOLS HAVE BECOME TOTALLY CORRUPT BY THE TEACHERS! DO YOU HAVE ANY PEDOPHILES IN YOUR CHILD'S SCHOOL?

TPS HATE CRIME AT ROGERS HS...STAND UP GOOD PEOPLE!

ON SEPTEMBER 20, 2007 JENA [6], LA. NAT'L PROTEST DAY, TEACHERS, DANIEL AND GAY REEVES-CASTER CAME TO ROGERS HS, 222 MCTIGUE AVE., TOLEDO, OH 43615 WITH HANGMAN'S NOOSE. DANIEL CASTER DID STAND IN CLASSROOM DOORWAY AND DISPLAY TO ALL STUDENTS PASSING BY WHILE CHANGING CLASSES THAT HE WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE HANGMAN'S NOOSE USED IN JENA, LA. HE DID TAUNT ALL HIS CLASSES ALL DAY. HE DID ASSAULT, INTIMIDATE, MENACE, AND TAUNT HIS STUDENTS IN EVERY CLASS ALL DAY. HE USED THE NOOSE ALSO AS A WHIP. HE PLACED THE NOOSE AROUND HIS NECK AND POINTED AT CERTAIN STUDENTS. WHEN THE STUDENT'S NOTIFIED THE PRINCIPAL, TONY BRASHEAR, HE LAUGHED AND DID NOTHING. THE TEACHERS ASKED SAID NOTHING. THE SECURITY GUARDS, OFFICER FUELING, CPOS, GARY WOLFE, ETC. DID NOTHING AFTER THE STUDENTS TOLD THEM. THE HALL MONITORS DID NOTHING. THESE PERSONS ARE ALL CAUCASIAN.

WE REPORTED THIS HATE CRIME TO OFFICER KOELLING OF THE TOLEDO, [OHIO] POLICE DEPT AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS SGT. FRYE, SO THAT CHARGES COULD BE FILED, AND HE SAID THE TEACHERS CLAIMED THEY DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I ASKED HOW MANY OF STUDENTS WERE INTERVIEWED. “WE SAW NO REASON TO TALK TO THE STUDENTS.”
THE POLICE DEPT. DID NOT FILE THE REPORT WE REQUESTED TO BE MADE. COVER UP! THE TOLEDO POLICE DEPT. IS ALSO ‘AIDING AND ABETTING FELONS, AND OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS.

PLEASE NOTE: THE TEACHERS HAVE A COMMERCIAL RUNNING THAT IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THEIR IMAGINE SO THEY CAN RETRY WINNING ANOTHER LEVY FOR A RAISE. WE HAVE 38 SCHOOLS IN ACADEMIC FAILURE! FOR THE PASS 8 YEARS THE HATE CRIME IS BEING COVERED UP! THE BAD PUBLICITY WILL ENSURE FAILURE OF FUTURE LEVIES PASSING FOR THE TEACHER’S RAISE.

AT NO TIME WERE ANY OF MR. OR MRS. CASTER'S STUDENT'S INTERVIEWED IN ANY OF THEIR 8 CLASSES ~480 STUDENTS. NINETY PER CENT OF THE SCHOOL IS BLACK AFRICAN AMERICANS. THE TPS SECURITY WAS TOLD, THE PRINCIPAL, TONY BRASHEAR, WAS TOLD AND HE DID NOTHING. MR. ROFOPHLOUSKI [?] SPOKE TO MR. CASTER BUT WAS TOLD TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT IF HE WANTED TO KEEP HIS JOB. NO OFFICIAL OR TEACHER IN ROGERS HS HAS REPORTED THE STUDENTS’ COMPLAINTS OR FILED A REPORT. THE TEACHING STAFF ~168 TEACHERS ARE ALL CAUCASIAN; ~11 EMPLOYEES OF THE SCHOOL ARE BLACK.

SGT. FRYE OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AT THE TOLEDO [OHIO] POLICE DEPT. OFFICER KOELLING SAID THAT OFFICER FUELING @ THE SCHOOL SAW NOTHING ON THE VIDEO TAPES. THEY ARE ASSISTING THE TEACHERS’ UNION IN COVERING THIS UP AND REFUSED TO FILE THE REPORT AS WE REQUESTED. THE PROSECUTOR WILL NOT FILE CHARGES UNLESS HE HAS A POLICE REPORT. I WANT CHARGES FILED AGAINST ALL TEACHERS AND OFFICIALS AT THE SCHOOL ON SEPT 20, 2007.

THESE TEACHERS/SCHOOL HAVE BEEN NOTORIOUSLY RACIST/EVIL. THEY STEAL THESE CHILDREN'S GRADES; GIVE THEM F'S WHEN THEY'VE EARNED A'S; DELIBERATELY LOWER THE CHILDREN’S GRADE POINT AVERAGES; REFUSE TO ALLOW THEM TO GRADUATE WHEN THEY FAIL THE OGT’s BY TWO [2] POINTS; LOCK THEM OUT OF CLASS IN VIOLATION OF GOSS v. LOPEZ 419 U.S.C 565 EVERYDAY AVERAGING 600-800 STUDENT/DAY. {Goss v. Lopez: Removing a child from the class room without notifying the parents and without filing the paper work required by the state laws and the Constitution.} MY CHILDREN WERE REMOVED FROM THIS ROGER'S HS [TPS/MY ALMA MATER] AS OF FRIDAY, SEPT 21, 2007.

GOOD PEOPLE, STAND UP WITH ME AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE. THIS NOT A BLACK v. WHITE ISSUE. IT’S GOOD v. EVIL ISSUE. DON’T LET COLOR DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION FROM WHAT'S RIGHTEOUS AND WHAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR OWN CHILDREN. THESE ARE ALL OF OUR TAX DOLLARS BEING WASTED AND ABUSED AND OUR BABIES ARE BEING TORTURED AND DARED TO TELL.

FYI: I AM AN INVOLVED PARENT. I GO TO ALL [4] OF MY CHILDREN’S SCHOOLS AT LEAST 3 XS/WEEK. I CATCH TEACHERS COMMITTING FELONIES. NOT JUST BREAKING OHIO LAWS, BUT U.S. CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS. THESE DEMONS CALLED TEACHERS ARE NOT THE PEOPLE YOU & I HAD FOR EDUCATORS! A CHILD’S SPIRIT NEVER NEEDS TO COME IN CONTACT WITH THE PEOPLE WE ALLOW IN THESE CLASSROOMS/SCHOOLS. PARENTS WAKE UP! GO TO THE SCHOOLS UNANNOUNCED AND CHECK OUT WHAT YOU SEE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO BUSINESS NEAR OUR CHILDREN.

CHECK OUT THE DVD, “A TWIST OF FAITH”, TONY COMES, {AS SEEN ON OPRAH}. PEOPLE, THAT PRIEST WHO ‘ADMITTED’ MOLESTING/ROBBING 67 BOYS [OF THEIR INNOCENCE] WAS THE DEAN/GUIDANCE COUNSELOR AT THIS VERY SAME SCHOOL, ROGERS HIGH SCHOOL, UNTIL ALMOST 2006. IT TOOK OPRAH, HBO, PARENTS, AND S.N.A.P., 18 MONTHS TO GET THIS PRIEST REMOVED FROM ROGERS HS. [HOW MANY OF HEARD ABOUT THIS? TOLEDO NEWS DIDN’T TOUCH THIS STORY, BUT IT WAS ON OPRAH! HBO DID THE MOVIE!] BEFORE WE FINALLY GOT GRID OF [THAT PEDOPHILE] THE PRIEST, TPS MADE HIM THE JANITOR [AT THE SAME RATE OF PAY] AT ROGERS HS. THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM!!!! ISN’T THAT THE PURPOSE OF A BACKGROUND CHECK? Di Di Dee!?? ONE ROTTEN APPLE CAN SPOIL A WHOLE BAG. IMAGINE WHAT 90 ROTTEN APPLES CAN DO IN ONE SCHOOL. TOLEDO FEDERATION OF TEACHERS/FRAN LAWRENCE IS PROTECTING THESE DEMONS.

WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO. TPS HAS ~38 SCHOOLS IN ACADEMIC EMERGENCY/FAILURE AND THEY HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 8 YEARS. SINCE THERE IS NO TEACHING GOING ON, ACCORDING TO THE FACTS [FAILING SCHOOLS], WHAT’S GOING ON IN THOSE CLASSROOMS? GO TO THE SCHOOLS, AND MAKE SURE WE PROTEST THIS HATE CRIME. GET THESE EVIL SPIRITS AWAY FROM OUR CHILDREN. A CHILD MOLESTER EMPLOYED BY TPS AND PROTECTED BY TFT. I SHOULDN’T BE THE ONLY ONE UPSET AROUND HERE! JUDGE KUHLMAN THINKS I NEED ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES! EXCUSE ME...ISN'T IT A PARENT'S JOB TO PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN!??? HATE CRIMES AND CHILD MOLESTERS AND I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE UPSET. DUH! De De Dee!

HINTS: TEACHERS MUST LIVE IN TOLEDO, AS THE LAW STATES. NO EXEMPTIONS. CURRENTLY ~3900 OF ~4500 [2004 STATS] TEACHERS LIVE OUTSIDE TOLEDO. IF ONE DOES NOT LIVE HERE THEY HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN SCHOOL IMPROVEMENT. THESE DEMONS ARE MERELY GETTING A FREE RIDE OFF OF OUR TAX DOLLARS.
TEACHERS MUST HAVE AN EVALUATION EVERY SIX [6] MONTHS, JUST LIKE YOU DO ON YOUR JOB.
CHANGE THE BOARD. ISN’T THE BOARD OF EDUCATION SUPPOSED TO REFLEX THE TAXPAYERS SENTIMENTS? PUT CHERYL CATLIN & CHRIS MEYERS ON THE BOARD.

PLEASE HELP ME PULL OFF THE COVERS OFF THIS HATE CRIME COVER UP. OUR POLICE DEPT. IS AIDING THESE TEACHERS. {THE CAPS ARE ON PURPOSELY. THIS GOD LOVING AND FEARING PARENT IS MORE THAN A TAD BIT PISSED OFF.} GOOD PEOPLE, STAND UP WITH ME AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE. LET’S FIX OUR SCHOOLS.
OUR SCHOOLS HAVE BECOME TOTALLY CORRUPT BY THE TEACHERS! DO YOU HAVE ANY PEDOPHILES IN YOUR CHILD'S SCHOOL?

http://swampbubbles.com/hate_crime_cover_up_rogers_high_school_toledo_ohio

[Autoboxx]

To read this article, I would come away witht the impression that every injustice blacks, indians, etc, have suffered under the rule of whites and all hate acts committed to this day, somehow the Negroes and Redskins were somehow at fault. They brought it on themselves I guess. Guess I'm glad that has been cleared up for me.

[Vaiton]

I googled Heather McDonald. She does not seem to offer anything positive about minorities. Consider the source.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/mac_donald200503300758.asp

[Brotherjx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FHxTpSwV0k

Community Defender activists Protest in front of the Federal Courthouse in Lafayette, La. Oct. 4, 2007. to protest decision of U. S. Attorney for the Western District not to prosecute the noose hangers in Jena, La.

[winnerinlife]

In this country today, there are White folks who hate the air that we breathe! We need to be clear on that. This woman needs to understand something: Each time we speak up and stand up for what we know is right and get the justice that we deserve, here comes people like HER to say that we are overly dramatic about situations like this.

Heather, read this carefully: Unless you're turning into a Black person tomorrow and you survive the racism that Black people face on a daily basis from our hairstyles to our SHOES, keep your mouth SHUT! You are NOT Black and people like you that meake it hard on those White folks who care about justice for all.

We are NOT being overly dramatic about the Jena situation! Because situations like this will NEVER happen to any of your children, you think that gives you reason to open your mouth and spew this garbage? I don't think so!

[MissJustice]

It is quite unfortunate that some people STILL don't get it. Jena, Louisiana is only the beginning. No one is saying that African Americans don't commit crimes, even at sometimes alarming rates. The march in Jena was not about the commission of the act but about equal treatment in the justice system.

Almost every African American gasped with disbelief when hearing of the events that transpired in Jena, Louisiana. However, what happened in Jena is perpetuated in federal courts throughout the U.S. on a daily basis.

Currently, the federal sentencing guidelines treat 1 gram of crack the same as 100 grams of powder cocaine. The overwhelming majority of crack offenders are African American. According to the U.S. Sentencing Commission, last year, 81% of those sentenced on federal crack charges were African-Americans versus 27% of those sentenced for powder cocaine.

As a result of these guidelines, (which aren’t even laws) African Americans are receiving far lengthier sentences for much less quantity of the same drug than their non-Black counterparts. Hundreds of young black men with no prior criminal history have received life sentences on drug charges alone. In the federal system, a life sentence is until you die. No parole. No time off for good behavior. For the rest of your natural life. Murderers and pedophiles get less time!

I am not condoning dealing or consuming drugs, but the punishment should fit the crime. These "guidelines" were drafted over 20 years ago during the height of the Reagan Adminstration's "War on Blacks", I mean "drugs".

It is time to STOP the MADNESS! Since May, three bills were proposed in Congress that attempt to eradicate the disparity. The Supreme Court heard this case on October 2nd. We need to make our voices heard. Urge everyone to contact their local representatives.

Let’s do what we can to make the public aware, because knowledge truly is power.

Also, please challenge the hip hop community. I know that there are some artists who don’t get a lot of air time that are sending positive and uplifting messages. I'm not talking about them.

I am talking about those who we hear on the air every day. You know exactly who I’m talking about. For those artists who have America’s ear right now, this is a golden opportunity.

If you had one moment to leave a message to the world, to tell the world anything, what would you say? Would you tell them how big your rims are? How icy your necklace or ring is? How freaky your girl is? How much money you made selling drugs? What would you say to the world? This is that moment. Say something meaningful!

[What]

Sure unequal justice happens in the United states all the time. Especially, to African-Americans, adn Hispnaics at an alarming rate. I was just I a situation where charged with a domestic battery, which happened to be self defense. I was unaware that it was against the law to force an individual into prostitution,that individual's can and are allowed according to the police in the greater Chicago area, can endanger an individual's safety in their home, adn nothing be done about it. I'm not alloewed to protect myself against an individual who is attacking me with a brick and pipe. The police, and the court system can violate the Civil rights of the accused by (1) not allowing them to speak i their court room,in their self defense. (2) The police not investigate even when evidence is presented, and not inform the arestee of the charges being brought against them. Jenna 6 happens all day every day. However, when does this madness stop. We have into make Jeana 6 more than it is because it seems to me that African-Amerians are being discriminated against so much that anymore we as a race will be going right back to slavery. Just the elvel of ignorance that I'm encountering is amazing. I never thought that the police would uphold prostitution, and even someone threaten the safety of your family in their presence, and I get arrested. We have to stop the vreaccurances of Jena 6.






What

[Sinceresista]

While I don't agree with her opinion, I believe in her right to express her views...that's one of the great things about living in this country, Freedom of Speech. However, while listening to Michael, I wholeheartedly agree with him and am reminded that "The ruin of a nation begins in the home of it's people".

[Brotherjx]

Heather Mcdonald contact

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald.htm

[derrtyjersey14]

Yes there is a problem with black on black crime and yes it should be address.

[What]

Sure unequal justice happens in the United states all the time. Especially, to African-Americans, adn Hispnaics at an alarming rate. I was just I a situation where charged with a domestic battery, which happened to be self defense. I was unaware that it was against the law to force an individual into prostitution,that individual's can and are allowed according to the police in the greater Chicago area, can endanger an individual's safety in their home, adn nothing be done about it. I'm not alloewed to protect myself against an individual who is attacking me with a brick and pipe. The police, and the court system can violate the Civil rights of the accused by (1) not allowing them to speak i their court room,in their self defense. (2) The police not investigate even when evidence is presented, and not inform the arestee of the charges being brought against them. Jenna 6 happens all day every day. However, when does this madness stop. We have into make Jeana 6 more than it is because it seems to me that African-Amerians are being discriminated against so much that anymore we as a race will be going right back to slavery. Just the elvel of ignorance that I'm encountering is amazing. I never thought that the police would uphold prostitution, and even someone threaten the safety of your family in their presence, and I get arrested. We have to stop the vreaccurances of Jena 6.






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[henry8]

Heather Mac Donald willing participant in the age old American pasttime of blaming the blacks for their condition.

Ms Mac Donald should be reminded or perhaps re-educated in the history of black Africans in this country.

If blacks were victims of rape or other abuses, as heinous as institutional racism she would not be blaming black people for their situation....or would she??

YouThinkWhat.com (http://youthinkwhat.,com)

[alex11rose]

The complete article can be found at http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-09-24hm.html

[Blackman7]

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

Typical racist propoganda....

First of all, Heather Mac Donald failed to include thew GREATEST ARMED ROBBERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!!!

The white man coming over here and MURDERING MILLIONS OF NATIVES and STEALING THEIR LAND!!!

She doesn't consider THAT a CRIME!!!!

As long as the WHITE MAN kills and robs other races, then to Heather Mac Donald and others like her, it's fine and legal, but when the descendants of their enslaved hostages do the SAME things as their WHITE MASTERS (on a much smaller scale), then she calls THAT a "crime"!

I'd like to ask Heater Mac Donald this question, "If a man should be punished for breaking into a house and stealing the owner's possessions, what punishment should the WHITE RACE recieve for STEALING AN ENTIRE CONTINENT and killing MILLIONS of INDIANS???"

Yes, i've dealt with racists like Heather Mac Donald before. Her name sounds like british or Scot Irish...white supremists either way.

[AL Tariq]

If we are going to stand up when they do something to us, we need to stand up we we do it to ourselves. There are many more young black people who throw their lives away than those that find themselves in situations similar to the Jena 6. Both issues need to be addressed, but the situation we create for ourselves is crucial!!!! If they see we will not allow it from within they will think twice before trying it!!!!!!!

Black men lets stand up in our own neighborhoods (Da Hood) and take it back from the hoods, so that decent people are not held hostage!!!!!!! This is the issue!!!!! Young black men and women do not see enough caring and positive people that look like them in their everday lives. When they look around for a successful person to model themselves after they will most likely to see criminals. For too many of us success means moving out of and forgeting about the hood!!!

And yes she is a racist, but that's besides the point.

[derrtyjersey14]

I feel we should take some responsiblity for our black community. Man I look at whats going on in the world and I feel sorry for the Dr. MLK children because their father chose to give his life so that we may have a better life and people now a days dont understand it. People act like Dr. King didnt give his life so that we may have a better one.

Like the author of the article stated Blacks are more likely to commit crime against another black person. I think now a days we as a society dont value life anymore. Its cool if you get killed because your homies will ride for you.

I work with juveniles gang bangers and they love their gangs and their hood because it was there for them. A lot of people dont understand why gangs are so heavily populated. Its because gang members recuit! They give you a sense of belonging. A sense of family. But if the FAMILY did what it did back in the day we wouldnt have the problems with gangs.

In the black community we are more likely to be in prison, victims of crimes, our women teenage mothers, HIV positive and all the negative stats why is that?

Where are the parents? We dont have parents like we had back in the day. Now adays grandma 36, daughter 18 with 2 kids by two different men and none of them have a diploma or a GED. And this is cool as long as we get in the club beofre 11 because you know its free. Black people need to wake up and stop getting mad when the hear the truth from someone even if they dont agree with it.

Face facts, we have a problem! The same problem and issues that was the reason for the million man march but where are the solutions? I got a whole bunch of them and if we as black people dont get it together all we will be doing is talking about the problem like always.

[derrtyjersey14]

If we are going to stand up when they do something to us, we need to stand up we we do it to ourselves. There are many more young black people who throw their lives away than those that find themselves in situations similar to the Jena 6. Both issues need to be addressed, but the situation we create for ourselves is crucial!!!! If they see we will not allow it from within they will think twice before trying it!!!!!!!

Black men lets stand up in our own neighborhoods (Da Hood) and take it back from the hoods, so that decent people are not held hostage!!!!!!! This is the issue!!!!! Young black men and women do not see enough caring and positive people that look like them in their everday lives. When they look around for a successful person to model themselves after they will most likely to see criminals. For too many of us success means moving out of and forgeting about the hood!!!


I support you 150% you go boy!

[roverman]

Read the article and post your comments!

Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.
George, George, George,

You raised the question, “Where are all the daddies at?” Let’s take a moment to examine that question. Because that question should brings to light the real cause of that problem, or its the root cause to most of the problems that face our children. The real problem is dad has been taken out of the black family equation. I look at a number of fathers that I know of who have been systematically removed from there children’s lives. Often times it's the black mom who has taken him out of the equation, because she and he could not get along. And it cost thousands of dollars, dollars that many fathers don’t have, for a father to get back into his children’s lives.

It’s not until little Mikey is 6 feet tall & 200 pounds giving mom all kinds of problems that she wants dad to handle the kids. Now she (mom) wants to complain about dad not being around. We forget that the only thing that mom wanted dad to do is pay child support? His only purpose over the past 30 years (collectively) has been to either provide money with no access to his children.

[Blackman7]

Typical racist propoganda....

First of all, Heather Mac Donald failed to include thew GREATEST ARMED ROBBERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!!!

The white man coming over here and MURDERING MILLIONS OF NATIVES and STEALING THEIR LAND!!!

She doesn't consider THAT a CRIME!!!!

As long as the WHITE MAN kills and robs other races, then to Heather Mac Donald and others like her, it's fine and legal, but when the descendants of their enslaved hostages do the SAME things as their WHITE MASTERS (on a much smaller scale), then she calls THAT a "crime"!

I'd like to ask Heater Mac Donald this question, "If a man should be punished for breaking into a house and stealing the owner's possessions, what punishment should the WHITE RACE recieve for STEALING AN ENTIRE CONTINENT and killing MILLIONS of INDIANS???"

Yes, i've dealt with racists like Heather Mac Donald before. Her name sounds like british or Scot Irish...white supremists either way.

...and I haven't even mentioned that MILLIONS of africans who were beaten, tortured, raped, worked to death, and murdered during and after the African Slave Trade.

The white race has a LOT TO PAY FOR!!!!!

GOD KNOWS THAT!!!!!

[jazzsoul60]

Heather Mac Donald is a fellow for the Manhattan Institute. The Manhattan Institute is a conservative think tank out of New York City. They are instrumental in backing Rudy Giuliani. There main goal is to "develop and disseminate new ideas that foster greater economic choice and individual responsibility." I.E. privatize everything Consider the source. They do have a point, though.

Heather Mac Donald (http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald.htm)

Manhattan Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute)

[SiberianTiger]

Everyone Must remember we are just like Mike and George have stated ..A FATHERLESS NATION.. Get that understanding...YOur Ethnicity doen't matter when an injustice has been done because (just like the Jena case..I saw a program that showed 2, 12 year old white boys held in jail for a week with no parent contact for playing the slapping game that children play..they hit two white girls on the but and were arrested and detained and held..they had court and the DA was a cruel white women and probably just as demeaning as the Jena district attorney.).This is what the defense fund is for --equal justice.

I have educated in the field of Child development for twenty years and if you don't think that we are not all responsible for each other just know that if we as a nation do not urgently begin taking care of the minds and spirits of our young babies and children then it is going to get worse..on all ethnicities.

I read the article and what this lady does not understand is that......In any job you try to get the best person for the job...case in point the slave masters could/did not do the job and they (through forced employment) got the best person for the job..She should know that People are capable to do any job on this planet..Granted they are allowed. (opportunity)...Educators have access to the material that is taught to all children and they teach there children and their friends children and their cousins etc... So when you know that across America only about 12% of teachers are teachers of non-caucasian ethnicity then that means 80% of caucasian children have an access that other children do not..

REmember this too ...Women should be staying home with their children and teaching them along with the school and that teaching should beging in very good early childhood programs to become literate and to get good parenting schools. The government substandard to neglectful centers across this nation is damaging the minds and spirits of the children...That is a known statistic among the professional educators in early childhood education..Where do you think the gap in education comes from..People are working 18 hours a day to make money on jobs and leaving the children for those hours with strangers and neglectful caregivers....

My husband never had a choice whether I would stay home with my children and teach them and I try to let other women who want to do it know how (you have to let some extra things go..hair nails but that is secondary to the life of my children) that is a decision that was not compromisable.... I don't watch tv and at the same time I am near completion of a masters degree because when my kids are out of school I will still be more qualified then most people who left their kids and worked..MEN are designed to run the World they were created first.. At the same time Education allows you to be reflective of other people's opinions and be objective and take the part you need and disregard the other by doing better and more for mankind as a whole.....When a wife and mother is at home she allows her Husband the freedom to be the caretaker of his kingdom...I know some are going to say everyone can't be married..that is the choice you made when you lowered your standards..and settled for less then God intended...There should not be any out of wedlock children born today there is toomany contraceptives for unprepared parents..you are irresponsible if you in the year 2007 have children without because emotionally and financially prepared for them..My Husband wore a condom for a whole year when we realized I could not take birth control pills..He then had a vasectomoy when we decided we only wanted three children.

All ethnicities have to beccome conscious of how we have destroyed the precious seeds of Life...

[juicy90220]

People like this lady is the reason we are in the situation we are in with Jena 6. If she's going to state facts she needs to get all facts.

[AL Tariq]

What's wrong with being conservative? Not the rightwing conservative agenda, but living your life based on traditional values!!!

[DR RAD]

This is typical of Heather MacDonald's writings. She and Shelby Steele who she cites, represent the conservative, consensus theory perspective within criminology. Consensus theory is the principal theoretical framework that holds that equality is an essential value within the criminal justice system and societal sanctions are imposed objectively on those who break the law. In general, this theory purports that sanctions are applied to behavior irrespective of sociodemographic factors such as the race and socioeconomic characteristics of the offender. Implicit in consensus theory’s postulate is the belief that social control sanctions are administered objectively and explicit in many of its proponents’ arguments, is the presupposition that the disproportionate punitive involvement of minorities in the criminal justice system is the result of their increased involvement in criminal behavior not racial discrimination (Wilbanks, 1987; Mac Donald 2003).
Conflict theory is the antithesis of consensus theory and argues that the disparities and inequalities between social groups within the criminal justice system are the result of discrimination. Conflict theorists are critical of consensus theory arguments such as MacDonald's that dismiss or diminishes the significance of evidence of racial bias in the criminal justice system and argue that, “even a single verified case of unequal sentencing because of racial status serves to illuminate flaws in the criminal justice system, and indeed ample research demonstrates that there are thousands of such cases.”
See MacDonald's book, "Are cops racist? How the war against the police harms black Americans" (2003), where she argues in support of racial profiling by police. While the black community does have to address the high crime rate within our community and the country we also must remain vigilant in fighting to eradicate the institutional racism that still exists within the social institutions in the U.S. including the criminal justice system.

[babyface_BR]

While I may not agree with you entirely, you do have a right to your opinion. Sure blacks commit crimes, no one has said they don't. Black on black crime is at an all time high and something needs to be done. We've acknowledge that although it hasn't been addressed as much as it should. All black people in jail are not there b/c of systematic racism; some are there b/c they should be but a good number are there b/c of an unfair system due to racism and poverty. White America need to face the fact, the judicial system is not and has not been fair to blacks, other minorities, and the poor. The protesting in Jena was not glorify what those young men did. We never condoned the fighting. The protest was b/c of the unfair sentencing----the unequal justice. But why is it that we have to explain our actions over and over again. Hispanics can protest in the street about rights they believe they should have even though they are illegal and they are praised. If those nooses had been a swastika, the Jewish community would have been outraged. An actor is called a fag, and the Gay community is outraged; the person spouting the slur has to apologize, do community service and go to rehab. But let the black community express outrage for nooses hanging from a tree or the unequal judicial system and we're over reacting. We're told there are more important issues that should concern us. There are alot of issues that conern us and this just happen to be one of many.

And yes, I do agree with Michael, there is a break down in the family and we need to resolve that as well.

[derrtyjersey14]

Back in the day it was the white man who did things to us but hell now we doing it for our selves.

We killing ourselves, we giving eachother HIV, we turn our back on eachother. All the white man got to do now is chill.

1) The first thing we can do is to have self accountablity. Dont start nothing wont be nothing. The reason why I've never been to jail or prison (thank GOD) is because I have never committed no crimes and I dont socialize with people that do) I hold myself accountability to society rules whether I agree or not.

2) The second thing we can do now is hold things accountable. If someone is selling drugs in your "hood" call the cops on them. If the cops aint doing what they supposed to be doing call IA on them. Thats why we pay taxes and thats why we vote. I know I'm get my money worth on anything I spend it on. People always say the police is crooked, ok some are but who holds them accountable for their crooked actions? I be darn if I pay taxes in my community and I see an official doing somehting they aint got no business and I just keep paying them. Not going to happen. A person can only do what you let them do and that goes for crooked cops and officials. If no one tells on them then who going to stop them.

3) The third thing we can do is organize. We alll have the same goals but we go about it by different mean. If a group of people in your "hood" feel the same way you do make it happen. I wish I could have been in Jena if it was a Saturday I would have been there in swim wear. But I support all my beautiful people that were and for that I love you all.

4) STOP complaining. I hate someone to talk about something but dont do nothing. If you aint part of the solution then you part of the problem. Stop saying kids these days this and kids these days that. So what are you doing in your community for the kids? You dont have to have children to be a parent. I work with 12 juveniles and I am all of their mother and I dont have kids.

5) Stand up for what you believe in. I love my black people. I am so happy and proud to be black I dont know what to do with myself. I just touch my self I love me so much. And I fight for what I believe in and I dont make excused. I was the first of 15 children to graduate from college. I am the 4th in 5 generations to not only go to college but the 1st to get a masters degree. I also not only set a standard for myself but I exceeded it. I believe black people are from greatness and are destined for greatness and my name will be in the history books. (I just dont know for what yet) But it will be there.

6) Always help someone else. My god mother used to do some many things for me when she was living and she never wanted me to do nothing but do something for someone else so everyday I try and do something to help someone even if its just saying a kind word or holding the door for someone. And if everyone did that the world would be a better place.

[Gtnman]

The Jena 6 case is about racism in America, our failure to properly discpline our children, and our failing to stand up and be heard.
Yes, these juveniles rec'vd charges that were not compatible with the crime from an overzealous DA; I did say crime because what these juvneiles did was a crime and not a simple one -on-one school yard fight. When you dig deeper into this, you find that these juveniles were not the little angels that everyone painted them to be. This comes back to the parents, who failed to provide supervision; Bell's parents were split, mom has a rap sheet of violence/dad lived in Dallas. The oppurtunity to be jurors was given to African-American residents of Jena and they failed to show/reply; imagine if someone had stepped forward for jury duty and this probably would have led to a hung jury.
As far as affirmative action, sure some have made it in with scores that did not qualify; the same as white students that get through due to parents being alumnni, having clout or made a substanial contribution. Yet come graduation time, we are there graduating and then we must face corporate America. The CEOs are not making room for us or ensuring that we get the positions that will make us competitive high profile jobs and not just the minority jobs, Director of Minority Issues etc...
Is America racist? HELL YES!!!!! Only now they don't hang us, whip us, burn us, etc...It is done through inadeqaute education or the old slave master trick of potray the balck male as weak and the women as strong. The judcial system is that new whip and we fall right in line with our rate of crime; a felon can not vote and will have a hard time finding a job to support their family upon release. SMACK!! FEEL THAT WHIP TEARING INTO US!!!!
We complain of drugs and guns in our communities that the white man has forced upon us. Yes, the white man made the gun, the bullets and sold these guns to someone. From there we got the gun, got the bullets, took aim and pulled the trigger; I don't see any white people in that last part.
Drugs are brought in by white men and their central american counterparts and sold to us to make crack, which we know is highly addictive and destroyed our community. But for that all mighty dollar anything goes including genocide. I need to stop, because I could go on forever. But think about this: 90% of us are trying to do right and 10% could give a damn. Unfortunately the media gives 90% of their coverage to that 10%. God forbid people see that: they really are no better than us, want the samething for their families as we do, and are decent respectable people.

[AL Tariq]

Get em DerrtyJersey

[derrtyjersey14]

"When a wife and mother is at home she allows her Husband the freedom to be the caretaker of his kingdom...I know some are going to say everyone can't be married..that is the choice you made when you lowered your standards..and settled for less then God intended...There should not be any out of wedlock children born today there is toomany contraceptives for unprepared parents..you are irresponsible if you in the year 2007 have children without because emotionally and financially prepared for them..My Husband wore a condom for a whole year when we realized I could not take birth control pills..He then had a vasectomoy when we decided we only wanted three children." You said it you said it and I love you fo rit because I agree with you 100%


I agrees with this 1000000000000% you hit it right on the head and that is one of the problems in the black community. George the reason why we are a fatherless nation is because you have women and men who will sleep with (have unprotected sex) anyone for the sake of doing so. I also wonder how in 2007 with all that we know about HIV and AIDS since 1980 (the year I was born) why people still have unprotected sex.

(FYI I've been married for 2 months, engaged for 18 months and we still have protected sex because we are not ready for children. Our income is over $75,000. As a matter of fact we never have sex without condoms and yes we did have STD test and all that we first got together)

We are a fatherless nation because our women and men are not being taught responsbility, and we dont have respect for eachother. I look at the Maury show and think dont these men and women know how lucky they are to have a child and not a HIV positive result. And they still dont take it serious because they dont even love and respect themselves enough to know who the father of their child is. I wonder what impact will that have on the children when they get 18 or 16 and 15 and will they do the same thing.

[escents]

Perhaps I didn't read as much into the article as others. Her comments are justifiable and are her -- opinions. She's entitled to that. Just like we have opinions about everything that happens, is said or written about Black people. Like this forum is doing now. My question: When did we get so sensitive to everything and angry about anything said against Black people? For instance, we got so mad over a word we've heard all our life, whether or not it was said in a deragatory manner, that we had it buried! Nigger, Negro or any variation of the word. The irony is Black folks used it more than Whites. So, should the word or the mentality have been buried?

Sure the Jena Six case had some injustices in the way the case was handled. The sentence wasn't equal to the crime. Stop griping over the problems that arise in our communites and start coming up with viable solutions to keep these disparities at bay. Stop getting mad everytime someone disagrees with your views, as did Mac Donald. I admire the fact that she injected statistics to support her opinion and presented good analogies. Where are our stats to support our opinions or displeasure with articles like this? Don't just have a conversation with Mac Donald and say, "I'm mad you wrote that." Support your stance or refute to her article with stats, otherwise your opinion is -- moot.

[derrtyjersey14]

Get em DerrtyJersey

lol I just love it when black men do their thing and get involved and stand up for what they believe in we need more like you

[derrtyjersey14]

I need to stop, because I could go on forever. But think about this: 90% of us are trying to do right and 10% could give a damn. Unfortunately the media gives 90% of their coverage to that 10%. God forbid people see that: they really are no better than us, want the samething for their families as we do, and are decent respectable people.

See that is what I dont want for you to stop dont ever stop speak your mind. Tell them like it is and then do something about it! I hear you talking

[mensa2]

I missed the point in Ms. Heather's article. First and far most she violated the rules of 'good writing'. Her article consists of two completely different subject matters that has no statistically merit, and are virtually unrelated to one another.

The Jena6 and her statement of "The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate".
I an overly generalized opinion, by which she should have kept it to herself.

Jena6 is about Afro-American teenagers being charged as an Adult, whereby Ms. Heather statement appears to lump Teenagers, Adults, Male and Females of colori n one category.

She sounds like Bill O'Reilly stmts about his visit to Sylvia's

We as a people need to STOP addressing OPINIONS that has absolutely NO Merit!

We have more things to do, than to discuss frivolous Opinions of insignifcant people.

[MAELLIS52]

While I don't agree with her opinion, I believe in her right to express her views...that's one of the great things about living in this country, Freedom of Speech. However, while listening to Michael, I wholeheartedly agree with him and am reminded that "The ruin of a nation begins in the home of it's people".

yeah, she has a right to express her opinion but her opinion is punctuated with twisted "facts". i hope she accepts michael's invitation to be on his show tomorrow. the white boy was not that seriously injured; he went to a school function that evening. we have a whole host of other examples of unequal justice that we need to address. they are just as egregious as the jena six and they are the living example that racism is alive and well in america
maellis52

[Blackman7]

Back in the day it was the white man who did things to us but hell now we doing it for our selves.

Just because you can't SEE the white man, doesn't mean he isn't there.

He controls this ENTIRE COUNTRY, including BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS(and some countries overseas), from his GOVERNEMENT BUILDINGS, COUNTRY CLUBS, e.t.c

That's why there's pictures of dead SLAVEMASTERS on the dollar bills!

[hrdad07]

Michael: I love your show and listen to you everyday.

Heather speaks the truth of the Jena 6 situation, but sadly there are no solutions to the bigger problem. Now, before you cut me down, hear me out first. I am a 44 year old black man with a 20 year old son (my only child). I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY but lived in VA since 1983. I am totally for black Americans particularly young black males succeeding and Im particularly sensitive to the treatment of young black women. The problem is - which is what Heather is alluding too, that even as a black man whose has raised his son in today’s society, I am still out numbered and the system just doesn't work. I have to work hard on two fronts...I have to work hard to keep up with my white counterparts....and I have to work hard to keep from loosing my son to the streets. A few months ago, my son decided to return to NYC (Jamaica) to live with his mom, get a full time job and start learning how to be an responsible young black adult - principles I have always taught him. Just two months ago, he was stabbed in a Queens park almost costing him his life. Why was he stabbed? The assailant (a minority) said my son disrespected him. I immediately went to NYC, stayed in the hospital and when he was discharge, I brought my son back home to VA. Now, I have to nurse my son back to good health this time with a third front: added emotional damage from the assault.

Michael Baisden - you said, while commenting on Heather's article, that the answer is a two parent, college educated home...unfortunately that's not the answer. You know blacks don't even support blacks in business; they war against each in music; they war against each other for territory they don't have the deed to, etc. Single parents or two parents are still out numbered with the entertainment industry, rise in black on black crime and the justice system. When our kids look at society today what do they see? and the thing they do see resonates more in their minds (because of constant bombardment and repetition by the media) than the principles taught from mom and dad. If parents are two strict, then the kids sneak behind our backs - if parents are to soft, kids have the propensity to grow up dysfunctional. I stay very close to my son and I still have a hard time keeping him focused...why... because I have to compete for his attention with who sold more albums - 50 Cent or Kanye West. Im not knocking those artist, Im just making a point as to the dysfunctional society winning the majority of the time in our kids. This is just one example of many. I make well over a 6 figure income, at 20 years old I still take my son to work with me, even recently I took my son with me to my company’s all employees meeting announcing the winning of a major DHS contract. I didn't take him to brag and boast, I took him to mentor him so that he could see what his father has accomplished and his father's hard work paying off, to see how my white counterparts were gloating over the fact that their are still intelligent black men in society; to hear my white counterparts ask over 20 times in one night how did I do it; and to experience the corporate environment. Sadly, I had no mentor when I was growing up, my balance was embedded by my relationship with God.

I didn't read Heather's article to be malicious concerning Jena 6 in any way but really driving home the real issue among the black community. Jena 6 is an issue and I pray that it is resolved expeditiously but Michael Baisden co-host (I don't remember his name) said he was looking at the My Space page of one of the Jena 6 boys and it was atrocious. Im not saying that the coming together as blacks was not called for, but where is the march to ensure blacks are educated, the march to reduce black on black crime, the march to change the lyrics of rap music from berating our black women. As long as the real issues are kept under the rug...there will always be a Jena 6. Those marches took place in the 1950's and 1960's - God bless Dr. King, Rosa Parks and other black pacesetters. What these pioneers have done for the black community was phenomenal, yet the black community has failed to capitalize on their success.

Heather is right - the longer we don't address the real issues and bring a real solution, situations like Jena 6 will always have expanded coverage with the wrong backdrop.

I'm black, I'm proud to be black and I would have it no other way. I will fight for any one of my black brothers and sisters, but when do we as a black community hold ourselves accountable for our actions, our decisions and our poor choice of affiliations?

God Bless,
Tyro

[Ezili Dantò]

Honor and respect Mr. Baisden,

I enjoy your show very much and was today compelled, after listening to your topic this afternoon, to ask, as an avid listening and supporter that if you are going to have Ms. MacDonald's views espoused on your show tomorrow that the opposite of her opinions also be considered. In my opinion, there is no article on the Jena 6 situation more important, relevant and that addresses all the points necessary as succinctly Ms. Xochilt Bervera, article, entitled "The Justice that Jena Demands."

If it is at all possible to get Ms. Xochitl Bervera on your show at the same time as Ms. MacDonald, I believe the work you've started, which you deserve much credit and kudos for, will greatly benefit from listening to the words and expertise of Ms. Xochilt Bervera on this topic.

Xochitl Bervera is co-director of Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (www.fflic.org). She can be reached at xochitl@fflic.org. Her article is below and should be used to contest Ms. Macdonald's naive assertions. Unequal application of the law, as evidenced in Jena is most certainly emblematic of the race relations in the U.S.A. There should be no doubt about this.

Maximum Respect,

Ezili Dantò
Human Rights Lawyer/Performance Poet
Chair, of the Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network
Oct. 8, 2007
(www.ezilidanto.com)
*********

http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/jena.html#jena

The Justice that Jena Demands
by Xochitl Bervera
Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (FFLIC)

I want to tell you about Emmanuelle Narcisse. He was a tall, slim, handsome young man who was killed by a guard at the Bridge City Correctional Center for Youth – a Louisiana juvenile prison – in 2003. Apparently, he was "fussing" in line, talking back to a guard. The guard punched him in the face, one blow, and Emmanuelle went down backwards, slamming his head on the concrete. He took his last breath there behind the barbed wire of that state run facility. The guard was suspended with pay during the investigation. No indictment was ever filed against him.

There is also Tobias Kingsley,[1] sentenced when he was 15 to two years in juvenile prison for sneaking into a hotel swimming pool (his first offense).

Tobias endured physical and sexual abuse inside the prison. He said that guards traded sex with kids for drugs and cigarettes, and sometimes set kids up to fight one another, making cash bets on the winner. His mama said he was never the same after he came home. She said the nightmares, the violence, the paranoia persisted years after the private lawyers helped him come home early.

His battles with addiction and depression are not yet over.

And there is Shareef Cousin, who was tried as an adult and sent to death row in the state of Louisiana for a murder that he didn't commit. Shareef spent from age 16 to age 26 behind bars, the majority of those years isolated in Angola's Death Row, because an over zealous prosecutor didn't care that the evidence didn't really add up. After all, it was only a young Black man's life on the line.

These are young Black men who have encountered Louisiana's criminal justice system who I know because their mothers have become proud members of Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (FFLIC), the organization I have worked for over the last 7 years. These stories are about young men who have experienced incredible injustice, not unlike the Jena 6, only the national spotlight has never shined on them.

There are hundreds more. Thousands. Every day in the state of Louisiana (and in most states in this nation), injustices of epic proportions are taking place in our criminal and juvenile justice systems. We, those of us who live here, fight here, and organize here, know hundreds of families and young people – often our own - who've endured almost inconceivable levels of violence, abuse, neglect. And despite efforts to get someone, anyone to care and to act, these young people most often end up statistics in somebody's dismal report, or an anecdote in an article just like this. Because people don't care. Because these young people are not just poor, they are not just Black, they are criminals.Hallelujah, someone noticed!

So, Hallelujah! Almost overnight it seems, the nation is looking deep into the heart of Louisiana's criminal justice system and seeing what we've been shouting about all these years! The racism, the blatant and unaccountable abuse of power masquerading as "justice." The slavery-like, Jim Crow-like, Bush-era prejudice and exploitation that has been the bedrock of white supremacy here and all over the Deep South for decades. Young people of color and mothers across the country are rising up saying "We wont take it anymore! We demand justice!"

The myth that the goal of the criminal justice system is protecting public safety is slowly unraveling as youth in Philadelphia, DC, Oakland and mothers in Chicago, Jackson, and Birmingham make that most important of realizations, "that could have been me," "that could have been mychild."

Many are asking, "why now?" Why, of all the horrific incidents we've seen and exposed, is this the one that set off this fire of hope? Our young people have been shot and killed by police in every city in this nation, left to die of dehydration in local jails, railroaded by white juries and judges into serving 20, 30, 40 years in the prison plantations we call Angola, Parchment, and Sing Sing...

Let me tell you what my heart tells me. What really matters is not why, but what we plan to do with this moment now that it has arrived. What will the leaders, the youth, the elders of our movement do now?

Demanding Justice for Us All

Of course we must relentlessly and persistently demand justice for the Jena 6. But we must demand justice, not only in the form of dropping the charges against these specific youth, but in the systematic and thorough rooting out of racism from all wings of the criminal justice systems across the UnitedStates of America.

Justice in Jena requires justice for all the others as well – for all those who have suffered (and some who have died) silently behind bars and for their families who have fought without benefit of TV cameras and news reporters. It requires understanding that we will not, we can not achieve racial justice in this country if we do not fight against the criminal justice system, not just in individual instances, but in its institutionalized, systemic form. If we do not understand this – and understand it deeply – then this newly discovered energy, this tidal wave of outrage, this beautiful, intergenerational protesting isn't going to mean a damn thing past next week's news.

Justice in Jena requires all of us across the country to rise up against the racism and exploitation of the criminal justice system in all the places where we've come to see it and grown to accept it whether that's allowing for an abysmal public defender office in your county or turning away when you see a police officer trample the rights, and perhaps the body, of a fellow citizen. We must cast off once and for all, the fundamental lie that the system has anything to do with criminals or justice or public safety. We must not back
down, as so many movements have, when we are "crime-baited," accused of
defending rapists and murderers, accused of defending crime itself. We must
not make excuses for some parts of the system while protesting others.

Similar to opposing the war, the whole war, and not simply certain battles or certain strategies, we must oppose the system in its entirety. We must dismiss, once and for all, the urge to discuss what's wrong with the system – what's broken and needs to be fixed.

There is nothing broken in this system. In fact, usually (when it is not disrupted by 50,000 protestors), it is quite efficient at doing precisely what it was created to do. In the Deep South, the criminal justice system as we know it was built after the abolition of slavery, as part of the terror machine which destroyed the briefly federally protected Reconstruction era. Without nuance or subtlety, the system was created by wealthy, land owning whites to keep Blacks "in line," on the plantation, and working for next to nothing.

Thanks to the Thirteenth Amendment which abolished slavery "except as a punishment for crime," laws and codes were invented that criminalized the very existence of Black people, police were hired to "enforce" those laws, and courts were mandated to send these newly created "criminals" to jail, or better yet, to be leased out to the very plantation owners they had been "freed" from just months before. The "justice" that was once meted out by slave owners who were "masters" of their property, was now taken care of by the law. The word "slave" was replaced by the word "criminal."

"Its not about race, it's about crime"

And yet, even with this history known, the stigma of criminality has remained so strong that our own movements have turned their backs on this issue over the years. Too many of our movements today want to dismiss, minimize, or overlook the necessity for a racial justice movement to prioritize organizing around criminal justice. Too often, our members meet others – even those who should be allies – who hold the entrenched belief that if a child is in prison, he must be "bad," he must have done something wrong. Even in progressive circles, organizations prefer to focus on the school children who need an education, the families who want affordable housing, the victims of street violence and drive-by shootings. These people are portrayed as "innocent" and deserving while currently and formerly incarcerated people are "guilty" - of something.

Of course, it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows that the same communities, the same people, who are most impacted by violence, the lack of health care, education, and housing are those most brutally impacted by policing and prisons. But the idea of the dichotomy has been essential to maintaining the stigma which justifies the system. And it's been a handy and effective tool to explain away a great deal of racial injustice in this country.

In Jena, when asked about the incident which led to the arrests of the Jena 6,
a white librarian confidently explained to the NPR reporter, "It's not about race. It's about crime." Crime -- the ultimate proxy for race, the ultimate justification for racism.

What the future holds I believe that this moment in history can be a pivotal one if we make it so.

Up to 50,000 people marched in the streets of Jena yesterday – the majority of them Black, many were from the South. All were outraged by the blatant racism evidenced by the criminal justice system. This could be the beginning of the end for a system that should have been dismantled years ago.

But what we fight for and how we fight will make all the difference. The most obvious principle is that we cannot fight for the system to expand – in any way. Asking for the white kids who hung the nooses to be charged, calling for
Hate Crime Legislation -- these "solutions" just strengthen the system and give the same players – the DA, the judge, the jury – more powers and more
validation. If we understand that the system, at its core, is not designed to
promote justice, then why would we ask for anything that expands its reach or powers? At the very least, we must only call for things which shrink the system – closing prisons, freeing prisoners, cutting correction budgets,
eliminating the death penalty and Life Without Parole, prohibiting juvenile
transfers, and implementing sentencing reform.

We can also call for accountability from our elected officials. DAs and judges who perpetuate injustice, state representatives who are in bed with the corrections department and private prison companies – these people should not be allowed to hold office. They should be ousted whether by recall, regular elections, or public pressure to step down.

But we can – and should - also call for the redirection of funds into a real public safety system. We must make it clear that the issue of public safety is fundamentally distinct from the issue of the criminal justice system. The only thing they have in common is rhetoric. Developing a public safety system which is prevention orientated, based on principles of restorative or transformative justice, prioritizes making the victim and community whole, and creatively resolving conflict is a powerful and noble goal and our communities should know more about these models and fight for them. A public safety system includes community based programs, quality education and the elimination of racism.

The families of the Jena 6 are ahead of the crowd in the list of demands they
have made public:

1. Drop (or fairly reduce) All Charges;

2. Reinstate School Credits;

3. No Juvenile Records;

4. Investigate "Noose" Incident of September 1, 2006;

5. Remove Reed Walters from the District Attorney's Office;

6. Conduct Undoing Racism Workshops for Staff, Faculty, Administrators, Students, Parents and Community Members.

These are good demands for Jena. What will you demand in your hometown or city?

FFLIC is a membership based organization consisting primarily of mothers and grandmothers. These mothers and grandmothers have seen all sides of the farce known as the criminal justice system. They have been victims of sexual and physical violence who have either kept quiet or endured the humiliation and neglect of the DA's office and the so-called victim's advocates. They have been forced to call the police on their children when mental illness or addiction has made them violent and no other services exist. They have visited their children in prison and seen boot marks on their faces. They have walked home alone through dark streets in poor neighborhoods where there are no programs, no services, no activities to keep young men busy and hopeful. They have seen their children beat by police officers, by prison guards, sometimes even by judges and district attorneys.

Standing on both sides of the system, these mothers will tell you that justice
exists nowhere in the vicinity. It may sound radical, but its time we start
listening to those who have been through it all and tear down the disgrace that is the U.S. criminal justice system.
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Note:
[1] Name has been changed for purposes of confidentiality

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Xochitl Bervera is co-director of Families and Friends of Louisiana's
Incarcerated Children (www.fflic.org). She can be reached at
xochitl@fflic.org.
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Resources:
New York Collective of Radical Educators (NYCoRE) and Network of Teacher
Activist Groups (TAG) have developed: Revealing Racist Roots: The 3 R's for
Teaching About the Jena 6, a curriculum guide for teachers to address what's
happening in Jena. Download the resource guide in PDF Version or Word Version for free at: www.nycore.org OR www.t4sj.org.

[Blackman7]

When God said, "Thou shalt not steal", that also included STEALING HUMAN BEINGS.

One of the GREATEST CRIMES IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND, was inflicted upon africans by white americans during and after the African Slave Trade!

The Commandment of the Almighty God to His servant Moses:

Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

[Blackman7]

The superior man knows what is right; the inferior man knows what will sell---Confucius

The superior man knows what is right, and God is superior to ANY man! :)

[Elondaly]

I'd like to begin by saying good afternoon to you all, and that I hope this message reaches you in goo health.

I'd like to address Ms.Heather Mac Donald's "Jena 6" essay. For those who have not read it, she states that the "Jena 6" situation has been blown out of proportion by " racial victimologists". Racial victimologists? If that implies that black activists are trained to spot an issue and immediately turn themselves into an racial discrimination victims, that idea is completely beyond me. I say so because, she goes on to state that the elite institutions of America are, "twisting themselves into knots in favor of African Americans, in the name of diversity". Which to me, implies that there are too many young black students invading elite institutions, and also seems like an act of her own "racial victimology". She goes on to state that the "Jena 6" case has caused an unnecessary "the frenzy on the media's racism beat". This is completely absurd, the thought of anyone having the impression that Mychal Bell's case was undeserving in anyway disgusts me. That shows a blatant act of ignorance to the subject matter. This isn't a case of mistake or misunderstanding, but one of question and certainty. The rally of 20,000 people (black and white) was not an act of victimology, but one of concern for the American society. This issue is not a "mass celebration" as Ms. Mac Donald refers to it, but a door which opens the hidden secret of America's modern day racial abuse and corporate criminal society.

Ms.Mac Donald also stated that black illegitimacy rates have skyrocketed in the past years. When on the contrary, illegitimacy rates have skyrocketed in the past years. The public display of illegitimacy has become an American thing not a "Black" thing, and such has many other attributes that are linked to the African American culture. When America has grown tired of it's ugly trademarks, they are placed upon scapegoats. Whether they be Black, Asian, Hispanic or other...but that is another issue.

[Blackman7]

"Racial victimologists?"

That's a Ku Klux Klan term meaning "justice seekers".

[SHEEN]

Why is it that this White woman can give an opinion and we as a race begin to question the issue? She has no clue as to what it means to be a black person and never will. I could care less if she graduated summa cum idiot, she will never understand. These comments she posted are telling (of her racism) and they reflect her secret heart of racism. Is it wrong for us to finally take a stand and defend what is wrong. To see a problem in society and say enough is enough. The true problem, as she already knows, is that we finally did something that was radical and peaceful and she and every other racist person has gone scared. She goes on to say "...the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem." Has she not being living in the same world in which I live? She gives all the statistics and these same statistics are formed and made up from the desk of someone white.
Seems to me she is upset and jealous. In her comments she writes: "There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." Should they not do this, after all we were in slavery for just 400 years. Heather please stick to the issue and don't twist this into something else. If you are constantly being hit in the head, one day you will make a decision to do something and go after change. I agree with you when you say, "The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks." In fact it is way more complex. To say that we, as blacks, are peace-loving for one and for this to be displayed for all the world to see puts a different perspective for all the viewers to see. To show us, (blacks) working toward justice and living the "America Dream" you (whites) have had the opportunity to to live for so long is out of the norm and the world make actually see our race for who we are--PEACEFULLY LOVING INDIVIDUALS. Heather, you really need to retrack your comments and bravely come on the show to defend your racist stand. I am shocked and upset with the Micheal Baisdaon show for allow such hatred and direspect to be displayed. Do not lose focus PEOPLE and please get prepared! This is only the beginning of what is to come. Racism is alive and active!!!!!! Yes we need to take care of our own and this is what we were doing in Jena. Do we need to ask for permission to take a stand against injustice? Wake up please wake up!!!! Seems to me that Everything is not Everythiong!!!Peace!

[SiberianTiger]

Michael: I love your show and listen to you everyday.

Heather speaks the truth of the Jena 6 situation, but sadly there are no solutions to the bigger problem. Now, before you cut me down, hear me out first. I am a 44 year old black man with a 20 year old son (my only child). I was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY but lived in VA since 1983. I am totally for black Americans particularly young black males succeeding and Im particularly sensitive to the treatment of young black women. The problem is - which is what Heather is alluding too, that even as a black man whose has raised his son in today’s society, I am still out numbered and the system just doesn't work. I have to work hard on two fronts...I have to work hard to keep up with my white counterparts....and I have to work hard to keep from loosing my son to the streets. A few months ago, my son decided to return to NYC (Jamaica) to live with his mom, get a full time job and start learning how to be an responsible young black adult - principles I have always taught him. Just two months ago, he was stabbed in a Queens park almost costing him his life. Why was he stabbed? The assailant (a minority) said my son disrespected him. I immediately went to NYC, stayed in the hospital and when he was discharge, I brought my son back home to VA. Now, I have to nurse my son back to good health this time with a third front: added emotional damage from the assault.

Michael Baisden - you said, while commenting on Heather's article, that the answer is a two parent, college educated home...unfortunately that's not the answer. You know blacks don't even support blacks in business; they war against each in music; they war against each other for territory they don't have the deed to, etc. Single parents or two parents are still out numbered with the entertainment industry, rise in black on black crime and the justice system. When our kids look at society today what do they see? and the thing they do see resonates more in their minds (because of constant bombardment and repetition by the media) than the principles taught from mom and dad. If parents are two strict, then the kids sneak behind our backs - if parents are to soft, kids have the propensity to grow up dysfunctional. I stay very close to my son and I still have a hard time keeping him focused...why... because I have to compete for his attention with who sold more albums - 50 Cent or Kanye West. Im not knocking those artist, Im just making a point as to the dysfunctional society winning the majority of the time in our kids. This is just one example of many. I make well over a 6 figure income, at 20 years old I still take my son to work with me, even recently I took my son with me to my company’s all employees meeting announcing the winning of a major DHS contract. I didn't take him to brag and boast, I took him to mentor him so that he could see what his father has accomplished and his father's hard work paying off, to see how my white counterparts were gloating over the fact that their are still intelligent black men in society; to hear my white counterparts ask over 20 times in one night how did I do it; and to experience the corporate environment. Sadly, I had no mentor when I was growing up, my balance was embedded by my relationship with God.

I didn't read Heather's article to be malicious concerning Jena 6 in any way but really driving home the real issue among the black community. Jena 6 is an issue and I pray that it is resolved expeditiously but Michael Baisden co-host (I don't remember his name) said he was looking at the My Space page of one of the Jena 6 boys and it was atrocious. Im not saying that the coming together as blacks was not called for, but where is the march to ensure blacks are educated, the march to reduce black on black crime, the march to change the lyrics of rap music from berating our black women. As long as the real issues are kept under the rug...there will always be a Jena 6. Those marches took place in the 1950's and 1960's - God bless Dr. King, Rosa Parks and other black pacesetters. What these pioneers have done for the black community was phenomenal, yet the black community has failed to capitalize on their success.

Heather is right - the longer we don't address the real issues and bring a real solution, situations like Jena 6 will always have expanded coverage with the wrong backdrop.

I'm black, I'm proud to be black and I would have it no other way. I will fight for any one of my black brothers and sisters, but when do we as a black community hold ourselves accountable for our actions, our decisions and our poor choice of affiliations?

God Bless,
Tyro
That's what happens when we trade family for capital gains i.e. cash ..WE are an ethnic culture built on the principles of family..

[SirNoseDevo]

In this country today, there are White folks who hate the air that we breathe! We need to be clear on that. This woman needs to understand something: Each time we speak up and stand up for what we know is right and get the justice that we deserve, here comes people like HER to say that we are overly dramatic about situations like this.

Heather, read this carefully: Unless you're turning into a Black person tomorrow and you survive the racism that Black people face on a daily basis from our hairstyles to our SHOES, keep your mouth SHUT! You are NOT Black and people like you that meake it hard on those White folks who care about justice for all.

We are NOT being overly dramatic about the Jena situation! Because situations like this will NEVER happen to any of your children, you think that gives you reason to open your mouth and spew this garbage? I don't think so!

I am also tired of this reverse bullcrap that whites seem to always crying
about. I think the Jena6 hype got started while the blame was shifted
directly on the Black young men. When the blame should have included
the white boys also, and I feel that there is whites who love to keep
confusion going.

Another thing that seem to always amazes me is whites can't accept the
blame for being wrong, and the first thing that comes out their mouths is
.........I have Black friends. Yet, when they get around their own color its
a whole new ballgame. Racism has been around far to long, but there is
Parents who is keeping it alive, and until the blaming Blacks is stopped
there will always be Jena happening here in America.

Whites will never understand the pain and suffering that Blacks have
suffered or experienced throughout the years. That's just like whites
expect for Blacks to understand them. I could never acted or think
like a White person, or would I want to dress like them, dance like them,
and think that I am superior like them.

In closing, defeating of Affirmative Action was a slick move on the white
man's part. The very beginning towards eliminating Affirmative Action was
when Whites begin to cry that they was being treated as the minority,
and then the American White Society got together to defeat Affirmative
Action. So I do see how a Black Brother or Sister goes to a job interview
only to be told that they are over qualified because of their educational
level. Again...Whites think that they understand us, but really they are
wishful thinkers.

[SiberianTiger]

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I'm black, I'm proud to be black and I would have it no other way. I will fight for any one of my black brothers and sisters, but when do we as a black community hold ourselves accountable for our actions, our decisions and our poor choice of affiliations?

God Bless,
Tyro[/QUOTE]
That's what happens when we trade family for capital gains i.e. cash ..WE are an ethnic culture built on the principles of family..

[SHEEN]

Why is it that this White woman can give an opinion and we as a race begin to question the issue? She has no clue as to what it means to be a black person and never will. I could care less if she graduated summa cum idiot, she will never understand. These comments she posted are telling (of her racism) and they reflect her secret heart of racism. Is it wrong for us to finally take a stand and defend what is wrong. To see a problem in society and say enough is enough. The true problem, as she already knows, is that we finally did something that was radical and peaceful and she and every other racist person has gone scared. She goes on to say "...the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem." Has she not being living in the same world in which I live? She gives all the statistics and these same statistics are formed and made up from the desk of someone white.
Seems to me she is upset and jealous. In her comments she writes: "There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." Should they not do this, after all we were in slavery for just 400 years. Heather please stick to the issue and don't twist this into something else. If you are constantly being hit in the head, one day you will make a decision to do something and go after change. I agree with you when you say, "The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks." In fact it is way more complex. To say that we, as blacks, are peace-loving for one and for this to be displayed for all the world to see puts a different perspective for all the viewers to see. To show us, (blacks) working toward justice and living the "America Dream" you (whites) have had the opportunity to to live for so long is out of the norm and the world may actually see our race for who we are--PEACEFULLY LOVING INDIVIDUALS. Heather, you really need to retrack your comments and bravely come on the show to defend your racist stand. I am shocked and upset with the Micheal Baisdaon show for allow such hatred and direspect to be displayed. Do not lose focus PEOPLE and please get prepared! This is only the beginning of what is to come. Racism is alive and active!!!!!! Yes we need to take care of our own and this is what we were doing in Jena. Do we need to ask for permission to take a stand against injustice? Wake up please wake up!!!! Seems to me that Everything is not Everything!!!Peace!

[sq357]

Thank GOD for voices of reason and logic--Ms. MacDonald, not only speaks the truth, her message challenge our community to see our sad and painful state.

[SirNoseDevo]

I'm black, I'm proud to be black and I would have it no other way. I will fight for any one of my black brothers and sisters, but when do we as a black community hold ourselves accountable for our actions, our decisions and our poor choice of affiliations?

That's what happens when we trade family for capital gains i.e. cash ..WE are an ethnic culture built on the principles of family..
God Bless
Tyro


I am also Black & Proud, but we have people in our own race that's
embarrassing, and those are the shoeshine boys and Yes Em Boss
negros. Stay Strong Siberian.

Sir NoseDevo of Funk.
[/quote]

[Dladytouch]

Young Black Men - Step up to the plate and be that man that you SOMEDAY want you sons to be! Teach your sons that as Black men life is not always fair but to never give up! Guide him in the direction of education. Educate them on strength and mind and self-esteem. Show them that they can be leaders not followers. Cuddle them in love and urge them to respect their Mothers and Black women. Show them that incarsaration is not inevitable but ever learning is their ticket to greatness. Speak with eloquence and authority. Belt your pants and take off that do-rag! Stop gang banging, robbing, killing, and drugging! Don't make your mother's grandmothers but make them proud Mothers. Keep your head up and keep God first. Be that King.

[Autoboxx]

Thank GOD for voices of reason and logic--Ms. MacDonald, not only speaks the truth, her message challenge our community to see our sad and painful state.


I guess you are right on the painful part. If I was a 14 year old girl and a big fat white guy twisted my arms until my wrist broke, I would be in a lot of pain too..

[Autoboxx]

Why is it that this White woman can give an opinion and we as a race begin to question the issue? She has no clue as to what it means to be a black person and never will. I could care less if she graduated summa cum idiot, she will never understand. These comments she posted are telling (of her racism) and they reflect her secret heart of racism. Is it wrong for us to finally take a stand and defend what is wrong. To see a problem in society and say enough is enough. The true problem, as she already knows, is that we finally did something that was radical and peaceful and she and every other racist person has gone scared. She goes on to say "...the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem." Has she not being living in the same world in which I live? She gives all the statistics and these same statistics are formed and made up from the desk of someone white.
Seems to me she is upset and jealous. In her comments she writes: "There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." Should they not do this, after all we were in slavery for just 400 years. Heather please stick to the issue and don't twist this into something else. If you are constantly being hit in the head, one day you will make a decision to do something and go after change. I agree with you when you say, "The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks." In fact it is way more complex. To say that we, as blacks, are peace-loving for one and for this to be displayed for all the world to see puts a different perspective for all the viewers to see. To show us, (blacks) working toward justice and living the "America Dream" you (whites) have had the opportunity to to live for so long is out of the norm and the world make actually see our race for who we are--PEACEFULLY LOVING INDIVIDUALS. Heather, you really need to retrack your comments and bravely come on the show to defend your racist stand. I am shocked and upset with the Micheal Baisdaon show for allow such hatred and direspect to be displayed. Do not lose focus PEOPLE and please get prepared! This is only the beginning of what is to come. Racism is alive and active!!!!!! Yes we need to take care of our own and this is what we were doing in Jena. Do we need to ask for permission to take a stand against injustice? Wake up please wake up!!!! Seems to me that Everything is not Everythiong!!!Peace!


LOL!! @ "summa cum idiot" LMAO!!!!

[moc5]

Read the article and post your comments!

Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.

DON’T LET COLOR DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION FROM WHAT'S RIGHTEOUS AND WHAT YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR OWN CHILDREN

[moc5]

Now lets take Jena six for what it is and was a hate crime and a power struggle. Hate crime commited by the students and Power struggle DA. No matter how the story is told you will find the DA trying to have the last say in a matter that is involving his name and he will decide what is right or wrong what is fair and what is unjust what is a crime and a sutible punishment. I can not say race was the issue but being from the south it was a smart play. I belive to often people in power without a degree of hummility will do what they feel is correct and not take into concideration family, future, the unkown or individuale circumstances and the outcome is a camel with a broken back a mule hit so hard he'd rather just walk in the line he's instructed to walk in. It's a lot less painful on family and friend and brighter on the future "isn't that the gloomy truth"

[grenetta b]

Thank GOD for voices of reason and logic--Ms. MacDonald, not only speaks the truth, her message challenge our community to see our sad and painful state.



THE ONLY THINGS SAD MY DEAR IS THAT WE LET PEOPLE MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT OUR STATE OF BEING BUT THEY DON'T KNOW A DANG THING HOW IT IS TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR BEING.

THIS WOMAN HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE GHETTO OR OUR LOW INCOME AREAS TO TALK TO PEOPLE. SOME OF THE MOST TALENTED AND WELL EDUCATED AND GIFTED BLACK PEOPLE CAME FROM THESE AREAS. AND THE MEDIA ALWAYS WANT TO PORTRAY BLACK PEOPLE AS KILLERS AND MURDERERS AND THIEVES. AND IF IT WAS UP TO THEM WE ALL WOULD BE BEHIND BARS OR IN SLAVERY.

HOW CAN SHE COMMENT ON THE STATE OF OUR BEING WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER WALKED IN THOSE SHOES.

THE ONLY TRUTH IN HER STATEMENT IS THAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OPPRESSED. BUT WE ARE A STRONG NATION OF PEOPLE. AND WE LOVE OTHERS NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU MIGHT TREAT US
WE STILL FIND LOVE AND APPLY IT BACK ON TO OTHERS.

DON'T BE SO QUICK TO AGREE ON A PERSONS OPINION CAUSE LIKE I SAY SOME OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTT HOLES SOME STINK.:p

[sherbug]

Statistically, this article is probably true. Blacks commit crimes, lots of crimes, no doubt. Many blacks sqander opportunities that they get, no doubt again. Aside from those two issues, I don't see anything in her article but a lot of personal opinions and self-righteous indignation.

Ms. Mack does not take into account that just like money is passed from generation to generation, poverty is passed the same way. What is her solution for the extreme poverty. If she can cure that, she can cure a lot of the crime.

Drugs are allowed into this country and into hands of the street thugs so that gangland war can prevail and more and more blacks will be eliminated from the field. Ms. Mack needs to start her indictment of drug dealers at the top of the pile, the ones that allow it into the country. But those are the same guys who are making the rules.


Her comment about the country doing an about face on racial prejudice is sadly what many whites believe. That is why they feel that we are being ridiculous to still be crying the blues about how we are being treated. We must be bringing it on ourselves because we have all these opportunities.


After 400 years of oppression the face has not turned about. The last 50 years were crumbs to keep us quiet. Good jobs for many of us and opportunities to live anywhere we had money to live. I do believe that Jena is emblematic of the racial divide in this country. I also believe that it took a Jena to wake us up and hopefully come together and vote and represent and become a strong economic and political force in this country. But as long as we don't vote, buy everything from Him, we don't count in the big picture. And those that don't count, get run over and beat down.

Lets all keep our heads up, get out and vote, let our voices be heard and try to make a change.

[charismatic1968]

First, the issue was that Blacks didnt stick together. Now when they did, over a most needed cause, there is still a problem. We have to start somewhere. Being a "Black" Trial Investigator, I see it from both sides. Yes, Black males have many issues but other races do also. The Justice System is used disportionately against blacks and other minorities. Whites are punished but not to the degree as others. Once one problem is addressed and resolved, we can move on to others. Their are many valid factors not EXCUSES to why black males, mainly youth, are the way they are. It will take a lot of love, effort, and encouragement like portrayed at the Rally to change the infinative damage that has haunted Blacks for decades. Jena 6 was just the beginning.

I would also like to inform Mac Donald that her stats on Black crime were off. Blacks make up only 12.5 percent or a little more of the popluation roughly. There are several states where blacks make up 2-4% of the population. Look at Jena for example. The jails are also over crowded in those areas as well. So, Nationwide there are more white people and other minorities in jail than black people overall. When white youth commit crimes most of them are labeled with a mental illness and go to Mental facilities or are slapped on the wrist just like the white boys who put nooses under the tree and beat up the black boy "FIRST" in Jena. Black youth "GO TO JAIL" like the black boys in Jena 6 did. We didnt rally for drug dealers or gang bangers, it was for Equal justice which was promised to us in the Bill of Rights.

Every race has there lower class and they all commit the same types of crimes and have the same struggles in life. Yet the media focuses on the negative side of African Americans. When in reality there are more working and middle class blacks than Black Criminals. So Mac Donald, we "Do" take advantage of opportunity if we can. You fail to realize that just because it available, everyone cant take advantage of it. Life has to balance out. Even though they call themselves giving us an "so called opportunity" or "advantage," they still limit there numbers. If thats the case, no race or ethnic group would be without. By the way Asians are a minorities, therefore they get every perk that Blacks do if not more. Resources have a lot to do with it also. We also have to share with other minorities. We created a system that others benefit from more than we do. One of the main factors is racism disclosed in media, ecomonics, criminal justice, and other hidden sects of society that hinder blacks. Even minorities that benefit from the deaths, bloods, sweat , & tears during the Civil Right Era look down on blacks. In conclusion to Heather and others who think like her. Stop telling us what we already know. We need to focus on one thing at a time. WE HAVE TO START FROM SOMEWHERE.

[LHutchenson]

Family beware. This article was almost purely opinionated and extremely one-sided

THE ONLY THINGS SAD MY DEAR IS THAT WE LET PEOPLE MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT OUR STATE OF BEING BUT THEY DON'T KNOW A DANG THING HOW IT IS TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR BEING.

THIS WOMAN HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE GHETTO OR OUR LOW INCOME AREAS TO TALK TO PEOPLE. SOME OF THE MOST TALENTED AND WELL EDUCATED AND GIFTED BLACK PEOPLE CAME FROM THESE AREAS. AND THE MEDIA ALWAYS WANT TO PORTRAY BLACK PEOPLE AS KILLERS AND MURDERERS AND THIEVES. AND IF IT WAS UP TO THEM WE ALL WOULD BE BEHIND BARS OR IN SLAVERY.

HOW CAN SHE COMMENT ON THE STATE OF OUR BEING WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER WALKED IN THOSE SHOES.

THE ONLY TRUTH IN HER STATEMENT IS THAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OPPRESSED. BUT WE ARE A STRONG NATION OF PEOPLE. AND WE LOVE OTHERS NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU MIGHT TREAT US
WE STILL FIND LOVE AND APPLY IT BACK ON TO OTHERS.

DON'T BE SO QUICK TO AGREE ON A PERSONS OPINION CAUSE LIKE I SAY SOME OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTT HOLES SOME STINK.:p

The author of this article has introduced some very valid points if you have been hibernating for the last 250 years. Of course, we blacks know that we have to do better in a few of these noted areas. However, usually when the tone is blaming as opposed to fact finding and exploring solutions, the source is, more than likely, part of a problem rather than part of the solution. The crime rate alone will tell you nothing about black people. You have to exhaust all other possible variables to explain: why some whites think we are so inferior yet they resort to institutional racism and other unjust means to compete with us; why nearly all the critics of the Jena 6 Rally focus on blaming blacks, while avoiding the question of why these legal injustices continue to happen, even with Uncle Sam watching; how an estimated 60+ thousand of the nation’s “most violent people” can come together under very heated circumstances, yet there were absolutely no incidents (except from a few locals); and so on.

The Jena 6 Rally should serve as a lesson for blacks and well as for other races. We demonstrated that there is power in unity. Anyone who witnessed this rally, be it in person or on television, saw the pride and camaraderie among all participants. A town of approximately 3000 people witnessed a multi-racial blend of tens of thousands of concerned citizens standing together.

Also, every journey begins with a first step. What criteria is being used to foresee that the legacies of our current black leaders are insignificant to those of history’s past, especially when many of these leaders have been and remain active in many social movements?

[charismatic1968]

LOL!! @ "summa cum idiot" LMAO!!!!

LOL...YOU ARE SO RIGHT. Some White people go to college, read books, watch TV, have a few black friends, or just really believe that they know us. They think they are blackologist because of those things. Some Whites even feel that racism doesnt exist any more. They dont even have a clue. Most stats are made by them and they are based on a small focus group. Some of them start trouble like the white boys in Jena and get mad when they are questioned or challenged. Southern Whites started Slavery and are still more racist than others. When slavery ended,our ancestors were promised 40 acres and a mule, Equal Protection under the law and a lot more, that was never recieved. Instead they continue to oppress us in different ways from Jim crow to the Crimnal Justice System. Will It ever end. Some of them even psychologically made themselves Superior to be proven wrong each time. We have proven to them that everything they can do we can equal and sometimes better. Just because 10% or less of the black population benefit from affirmative action we are SO privileged and catered too. SO priviledged Some of them suffer from issues of reverse guilt, Jealousy, or are just flat out "CLUELESSNESS"

[ssjup81]

I am also Black & Proud, but we have people in our own race that's
embarrassing, and those are the shoeshine boys and Yes Em Boss
negros. Stay Strong Siberian.

Sir NoseDevo of Funk.
Is it wrong that I'm embarrassed of not those types, but pretty much the black entertainers who degrade and demoralize women or those who glorify being a thug or those who go around using the "n" word like it's no big deal, making our race look ignorant?

The "shoeshine boys" and "Yes Em boss negros", I feel sorry for, since they're selling themselves short, not embarrassed.

[Blackman7]

Heather MacDonald is CLEARLY a RACIST. Any black person too dumb to see that should still be enslaved!

[winnerinlife]

Heather MacDonald is CLEARLY a RACIST. Any black person too dumb to see that should still be enslaved!

PREACH SOULJAH! AMEN!

[Blackman7]

Is it wrong that I'm embarrassed of not those types, but pretty much the black entertainers who degrade and demoralize women or those who glorify being a thug or those who go around using the "n" word like it's no big deal, making our race look ignorant?

What about those women who "degrade and demoralize" THEMSELVES by their LOOSE, SHOCKING, DISGRACEFUL, PROMISCUOUS, IMMORAL BEHAVIOR???

Rather than criticize those who CALL women "B's" and "H's", you should instead, criticize those women for BEING one!

[Blackman7]

PREACH SOULJAH! AMEN!

Apparently, some of our people were BORN to pick cotton!

[malik ali]

Ms Mac Donald, after reading your article of your take on the whole Jena situation, I came away feeling sad and discouraged. I only pray that you are a white person, because, then I can better understand your motives and your views of blacks as a whole. Your sweeping indictment of the black plight in the justice system is completely ridiculous. To say that, "blacks are in the condition that they are in is their own fault", is just plain ignorant. Then, to place these half truths in a major newspaper is... Well, let's just say it makes people wonder about your motives. How can you possibly list all these different percentages on blacks committing crimes and totally absolve white people without examining any of the causes. I think your article was reckless and racist on it's face. It sickens me that, everytime someone wants to make a name for themselves, they, come in and pick on the black community and further tell us how bad we are. Well Ms Mac Donald, let's look at some of the things you have brought up. First, Ms Mac Donald, blacks don't have the highest crime rate, they have the highest conviction rate. Meaning, for the same type crimes as their white counterparts, blacks are convicted at a higher rate, than, any other ethic group in america. Our children receive the worst educational opportunities (even at white schools), our children are dealt with more harshly by the courts than their white counterparts and more likely to be abused and jailed, as opposed to being sent home after only serving 2-hours of a 14-day jail sentence.(i.e. Paris Hilton) Bottom line, the Jena trip was not just about those kids in Jena, LA, it was about our kids everywhere. If you don't get that, then, you just don't get it!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[Blackman7]

If you noticed, Heather MacDonald tried to make it sound like most blacks are bad and most whites are GOOD, even though whites are the BIGGEST CRIMINALS IN THE WORLD. The white man's crimes span the GLOBE from the Western Hemisphere(stealing the natives land), to Australia, Indonesia, China, South Africa, Vietnam, Palestine, The Philippines, the Congo, Hawaii, Alaska, New Zealand, New Guinea, India, e.t.c.

You can ALWAYS tell a RACIST when they don't admit to that MULTITUDE of WHITE CRIMES!

[Ashley_Apples]

hmm. don't get it twisted. yes blacks are doing more crime overall, but blacks are getting convicted with unjust sentences. both are happenning. its not one or the other, its both.

if anything, eveyone should get this book: "Prison Race" by Renford Reese

this book is awsome. it talks about how judges, DA are choosing the "be hard on crime just to play politics. nobody will never say lets be soft on crime. its crazy how somebody who stole some cd's from walmart get years in prison. Also Reese got another book called "American Paradox: Young black men" where he talks about how black men have adopted the model of black masculinity. something that has been limiting black men and getting them in trouble, but he goes though the hisotry, symbolism and underchivement. when I read about Mc Daniel's article, these books come to mind.

[Blackman7]

Whites do the most crimes. You're just not AWARE of them.

[SirNoseDevo]

Is it wrong that I'm embarrassed of not those types, but pretty much the black entertainers who degrade and demoralize women or those who glorify being a thug or those who go around using the "n" word like it's no big deal, making our race look ignorant?

The "shoeshine boys" and "Yes Em boss negros", I feel sorry for, since they're selling themselves short, not embarrassed.

ssjup, Thanks for your above quotation statement.

Sir NoseDevo of Funk

[Blackman7]

The bible speaks against women BEING whores.(Deut 22:13-21), not against people CALLING women whores.

The Almighty God is NEVER wrong!

[fred_53_99]

Think about the song by Fantasia "baby Mamas" This isi what we have become as a people. Oh by the way the Woman is wrong the out of wedlock birth rate for blacks is about 70 percent not 90.

[enpowermentnow]

What about those women who "degrade and demoralize" THEMSELVES by their LOOSE, SHOCKING, DISGRACEFUL, PROMISCUOUS, IMMORAL BEHAVIOR???

Rather than criticize those who CALL women "B's" and "H's", you should instead, criticize those women for BEING one!

Blackman7 tip drill....I like nelly but tip drill was really disrespectful and I do not blame him......I blame the women for participating

[enpowermentnow]

If you noticed, Heather MacDonald tried to make it sound like most blacks are bad and most whites are GOOD, even though whites are the BIGGEST CRIMINALS IN THE WORLD. The white man's crimes span the GLOBE from the Western Hemisphere(stealing the natives land), to Australia, Indonesia, China, South Africa, Vietnam, Palestine, The Philippines, the Congo, Hawaii, Alaska, New Zealand, New Guinea, India, e.t.c.

You can ALWAYS tell a RACIST when they don't admit to that MULTITUDE of WHITE CRIMES!

The Biggest dead beat dad by far

[enpowermentnow]

Whites do the most crimes. You're just not AWARE of them.

The media does not cover or exploit their crimes. In the midwest you can see blacks on the tube for all the crimes they commit, however, there was an incident where a white man robbed the bank and they never showed his face or picture.

[Blackman7]

Blackman7 tip drill....I like nelly but tip drill was really disrespectful and I do not blame him......I blame the women for participating

"Tip Drill" is one of my favorite videos! No one should be blamed...they should be COMMENDED for what they did! :D ;) :cool: :)

[Blackman7]

The media does not cover or exploit their crimes. In the midwest you can see blacks on the tube for all the crimes they commit, however, there was an incident where a white man robbed the bank and they never showed his face or picture.

Not only that, but they engage in secret crimes all over the world!

[Blackman7]

The Biggest dead beat dad by far

The biggest murderers, thieves, liars, and rapists, that's for sure!

[enpowermentnow]

Read the article and post your comments!

Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.

dysfunctional culture that politics, elitist, and uncle tom's methodically created. Since the beginning of time.

[Peaches16]

HI Family, Where does Ms. MacDonald get her information from? I did not find her article very empathetic nor sympathetic in regards to race relations in this country. Its easy to point the figure when you haven't been in our shoes. While you're sunning and tanning on the Rivera all it will take is for one white person to turn completely black--just watch how the world will treat you. You will fit in like "FLYNN". Oh by the way, I thought nooses were part of American History, and how we as blacks are still enslaved by our past--but oh you wouldn't know that. Better yet, White America wants African Americans to forget that part of our history.

Peaches16

[darren]

Honor and respect Mr. Baisden,

I enjoy your show very much and was today compelled, after listening to your topic this afternoon, to ask, as an avid listening and supporter that if you are going to have Ms. MacDonald's views espoused on your show tomorrow that the opposite of her opinions also be considered. In my opinion, there is no article on the Jena 6 situation more important, relevant and that addresses all the points necessary as succinctly Ms. Xochilt Bervera, article, entitled "The Justice that Jena Demands."

If it is at all possible to get Ms. Xochitl Bervera on your show at the same time as Ms. MacDonald, I believe the work you've started, which you deserve much credit and kudos for, will greatly benefit from listening to the words and expertise of Ms. Xochilt Bervera on this topic.

Xochitl Bervera is co-director of Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (www.fflic.org). She can be reached at xochitl@fflic.org. Her article is below and should be used to contest Ms. Macdonald's naive assertions. Unequal application of the law, as evidenced in Jena is most certainly emblematic of the race relations in the U.S.A. There should be no doubt about this.

Maximum Respect,

Ezili Dantò
Human Rights Lawyer/Performance Poet
Chair, of the Haitian Lawyers Leadership Network
Oct. 8, 2007
(www.ezilidanto.com)
*********

http://www.margueritelaurent.com/pressclips/jena.html#jena

The Justice that Jena Demands
by Xochitl Bervera
Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (FFLIC)

I want to tell you about Emmanuelle Narcisse. He was a tall, slim, handsome young man who was killed by a guard at the Bridge City Correctional Center for Youth – a Louisiana juvenile prison – in 2003. Apparently, he was "fussing" in line, talking back to a guard. The guard punched him in the face, one blow, and Emmanuelle went down backwards, slamming his head on the concrete. He took his last breath there behind the barbed wire of that state run facility. The guard was suspended with pay during the investigation. No indictment was ever filed against him.

There is also Tobias Kingsley,[1] sentenced when he was 15 to two years in juvenile prison for sneaking into a hotel swimming pool (his first offense).

Tobias endured physical and sexual abuse inside the prison. He said that guards traded sex with kids for drugs and cigarettes, and sometimes set kids up to fight one another, making cash bets on the winner. His mama said he was never the same after he came home. She said the nightmares, the violence, the paranoia persisted years after the private lawyers helped him come home early.

His battles with addiction and depression are not yet over.

And there is Shareef Cousin, who was tried as an adult and sent to death row in the state of Louisiana for a murder that he didn't commit. Shareef spent from age 16 to age 26 behind bars, the majority of those years isolated in Angola's Death Row, because an over zealous prosecutor didn't care that the evidence didn't really add up. After all, it was only a young Black man's life on the line.

These are young Black men who have encountered Louisiana's criminal justice system who I know because their mothers have become proud members of Families and Friends of Louisiana's Incarcerated Children (FFLIC), the organization I have worked for over the last 7 years. These stories are about young men who have experienced incredible injustice, not unlike the Jena 6, only the national spotlight has never shined on them.

There are hundreds more. Thousands. Every day in the state of Louisiana (and in most states in this nation), injustices of epic proportions are taking place in our criminal and juvenile justice systems. We, those of us who live here, fight here, and organize here, know hundreds of families and young people – often our own - who've endured almost inconceivable levels of violence, abuse, neglect. And despite efforts to get someone, anyone to care and to act, these young people most often end up statistics in somebody's dismal report, or an anecdote in an article just like this. Because people don't care. Because these young people are not just poor, they are not just Black, they are criminals.Hallelujah, someone noticed!

So, Hallelujah! Almost overnight it seems, the nation is looking deep into the heart of Louisiana's criminal justice system and seeing what we've been shouting about all these years! The racism, the blatant and unaccountable abuse of power masquerading as "justice." The slavery-like, Jim Crow-like, Bush-era prejudice and exploitation that has been the bedrock of white supremacy here and all over the Deep South for decades. Young people of color and mothers across the country are rising up saying "We wont take it anymore! We demand justice!"

The myth that the goal of the criminal justice system is protecting public safety is slowly unraveling as youth in Philadelphia, DC, Oakland and mothers in Chicago, Jackson, and Birmingham make that most important of realizations, "that could have been me," "that could have been mychild."

Many are asking, "why now?" Why, of all the horrific incidents we've seen and exposed, is this the one that set off this fire of hope? Our young people have been shot and killed by police in every city in this nation, left to die of dehydration in local jails, railroaded by white juries and judges into serving 20, 30, 40 years in the prison plantations we call Angola, Parchment, and Sing Sing...

Let me tell you what my heart tells me. What really matters is not why, but what we plan to do with this moment now that it has arrived. What will the leaders, the youth, the elders of our movement do now?

Demanding Justice for Us All

Of course we must relentlessly and persistently demand justice for the Jena 6. But we must demand justice, not only in the form of dropping the charges against these specific youth, but in the systematic and thorough rooting out of racism from all wings of the criminal justice systems across the UnitedStates of America.

Justice in Jena requires justice for all the others as well – for all those who have suffered (and some who have died) silently behind bars and for their families who have fought without benefit of TV cameras and news reporters. It requires understanding that we will not, we can not achieve racial justice in this country if we do not fight against the criminal justice system, not just in individual instances, but in its institutionalized, systemic form. If we do not understand this – and understand it deeply – then this newly discovered energy, this tidal wave of outrage, this beautiful, intergenerational protesting isn't going to mean a damn thing past next week's news.

Justice in Jena requires all of us across the country to rise up against the racism and exploitation of the criminal justice system in all the places where we've come to see it and grown to accept it whether that's allowing for an abysmal public defender office in your county or turning away when you see a police officer trample the rights, and perhaps the body, of a fellow citizen. We must cast off once and for all, the fundamental lie that the system has anything to do with criminals or justice or public safety. We must not back
down, as so many movements have, when we are "crime-baited," accused of
defending rapists and murderers, accused of defending crime itself. We must
not make excuses for some parts of the system while protesting others.

Similar to opposing the war, the whole war, and not simply certain battles or certain strategies, we must oppose the system in its entirety. We must dismiss, once and for all, the urge to discuss what's wrong with the system – what's broken and needs to be fixed.

There is nothing broken in this system. In fact, usually (when it is not disrupted by 50,000 protestors), it is quite efficient at doing precisely what it was created to do. In the Deep South, the criminal justice system as we know it was built after the abolition of slavery, as part of the terror machine which destroyed the briefly federally protected Reconstruction era. Without nuance or subtlety, the system was created by wealthy, land owning whites to keep Blacks "in line," on the plantation, and working for next to nothing.

Thanks to the Thirteenth Amendment which abolished slavery "except as a punishment for crime," laws and codes were invented that criminalized the very existence of Black people, police were hired to "enforce" those laws, and courts were mandated to send these newly created "criminals" to jail, or better yet, to be leased out to the very plantation owners they had been "freed" from just months before. The "justice" that was once meted out by slave owners who were "masters" of their property, was now taken care of by the law. The word "slave" was replaced by the word "criminal."

"Its not about race, it's about crime"

And yet, even with this history known, the stigma of criminality has remained so strong that our own movements have turned their backs on this issue over the years. Too many of our movements today want to dismiss, minimize, or overlook the necessity for a racial justice movement to prioritize organizing around criminal justice. Too often, our members meet others – even those who should be allies – who hold the entrenched belief that if a child is in prison, he must be "bad," he must have done something wrong. Even in progressive circles, organizations prefer to focus on the school children who need an education, the families who want affordable housing, the victims of street violence and drive-by shootings. These people are portrayed as "innocent" and deserving while currently and formerly incarcerated people are "guilty" - of something.

Of course, it's a false dichotomy. Everyone knows that the same communities, the same people, who are most impacted by violence, the lack of health care, education, and housing are those most brutally impacted by policing and prisons. But the idea of the dichotomy has been essential to maintaining the stigma which justifies the system. And it's been a handy and effective tool to explain away a great deal of racial injustice in this country.

In Jena, when asked about the incident which led to the arrests of the Jena 6,
a white librarian confidently explained to the NPR reporter, "It's not about race. It's about crime." Crime -- the ultimate proxy for race, the ultimate justification for racism.

What the future holds I believe that this moment in history can be a pivotal one if we make it so.

Up to 50,000 people marched in the streets of Jena yesterday – the majority of them Black, many were from the South. All were outraged by the blatant racism evidenced by the criminal justice system. This could be the beginning of the end for a system that should have been dismantled years ago.

But what we fight for and how we fight will make all the difference. The most obvious principle is that we cannot fight for the system to expand – in any way. Asking for the white kids who hung the nooses to be charged, calling for
Hate Crime Legislation -- these "solutions" just strengthen the system and give the same players – the DA, the judge, the jury – more powers and more
validation. If we understand that the system, at its core, is not designed to
promote justice, then why would we ask for anything that expands its reach or powers? At the very least, we must only call for things which shrink the system – closing prisons, freeing prisoners, cutting correction budgets,
eliminating the death penalty and Life Without Parole, prohibiting juvenile
transfers, and implementing sentencing reform.

We can also call for accountability from our elected officials. DAs and judges who perpetuate injustice, state representatives who are in bed with the corrections department and private prison companies – these people should not be allowed to hold office. They should be ousted whether by recall, regular elections, or public pressure to step down.

But we can – and should - also call for the redirection of funds into a real public safety system. We must make it clear that the issue of public safety is fundamentally distinct from the issue of the criminal justice system. The only thing they have in common is rhetoric. Developing a public safety system which is prevention orientated, based on principles of restorative or transformative justice, prioritizes making the victim and community whole, and creatively resolving conflict is a powerful and noble goal and our communities should know more about these models and fight for them. A public safety system includes community based programs, quality education and the elimination of racism.

The families of the Jena 6 are ahead of the crowd in the list of demands they
have made public:

1. Drop (or fairly reduce) All Charges;

2. Reinstate School Credits;

3. No Juvenile Records;

4. Investigate "Noose" Incident of September 1, 2006;

5. Remove Reed Walters from the District Attorney's Office;

6. Conduct Undoing Racism Workshops for Staff, Faculty, Administrators, Students, Parents and Community Members.

These are good demands for Jena. What will you demand in your hometown or city?

FFLIC is a membership based organization consisting primarily of mothers and grandmothers. These mothers and grandmothers have seen all sides of the farce known as the criminal justice system. They have been victims of sexual and physical violence who have either kept quiet or endured the humiliation and neglect of the DA's office and the so-called victim's advocates. They have been forced to call the police on their children when mental illness or addiction has made them violent and no other services exist. They have visited their children in prison and seen boot marks on their faces. They have walked home alone through dark streets in poor neighborhoods where there are no programs, no services, no activities to keep young men busy and hopeful. They have seen their children beat by police officers, by prison guards, sometimes even by judges and district attorneys.

Standing on both sides of the system, these mothers will tell you that justice
exists nowhere in the vicinity. It may sound radical, but its time we start
listening to those who have been through it all and tear down the disgrace that is the U.S. criminal justice system.
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Note:
[1] Name has been changed for purposes of confidentiality

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Xochitl Bervera is co-director of Families and Friends of Louisiana's
Incarcerated Children (www.fflic.org). She can be reached at
xochitl@fflic.org.
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Resources:
New York Collective of Radical Educators (NYCoRE) and Network of Teacher
Activist Groups (TAG) have developed: Revealing Racist Roots: The 3 R's for
Teaching About the Jena 6, a curriculum guide for teachers to address what's
happening in Jena. Download the resource guide in PDF Version or Word Version for free at: www.nycore.org OR www.t4sj.org.

Can you give a better excuse for dropping the charges? Why should past charges be used for sentencing? The only reason you have put forth for dropping the charges is because the six are black.

[darren]

LOL...YOU ARE SO RIGHT. Some White people go to college, read books, watch TV, have a few black friends, or just really believe that they know us. They think they are blackologist because of those things. Some Whites even feel that racism doesnt exist any more. They dont even have a clue. Most stats are made by them and they are based on a small focus group. Some of them start trouble like the white boys in Jena and get mad when they are questioned or challenged. Southern Whites started Slavery and are still more racist than others. When slavery ended,our ancestors were promised 40 acres and a mule, Equal Protection under the law and a lot more, that was never recieved. Instead they continue to oppress us in different ways from Jim crow to the Crimnal Justice System. Will It ever end. Some of them even psychologically made themselves Superior to be proven wrong each time. We have proven to them that everything they can do we can equal and sometimes better. Just because 10% or less of the black population benefit from affirmative action we are SO privileged and catered too. SO priviledged Some of them suffer from issues of reverse guilt, Jealousy, or are just flat out "CLUELESSNESS"

Where did you get your facts about Southern whites starting slavery? That would be wrong.

[VA Vibe]

>>>>>>>CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT OUR FEDERAL GOV'T HASN'T PROVIDED A WAY FOR FEDERAL CHARGES TO BE EXPUNGED??? THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IS BEING ROBBED EVEN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED THEIR TIME!!!!!!!!
__________________________________
Thank for starting a movement in this country.

Please help in bringing some or a lot of light to a piece of legislation stuck for no apparent reason that will allow for non-violent offenders with federal charges to have their records expunged and put their lives together. It has been introduced by Congressmen Rangel of NY twice, everytime to get stuck.

A summary is as follows:

Expungement

H.R. 623 - Second Chance for Ex-Offenders Act of 2007

To permit expungement of records of certain nonviolent criminal offenses

Rep Charles B. Rangel [NY 15] Introduced H.R. 623 ‘Second Chance for Ex-Offenders Act of 2007’ on January 22nd, 2007 (Link to H.R. 623 full text). This bill would provide for the possibility of expungement of certain criminal records in limited circumstances and ONLY nonviolent, first time, offenders by adding a new subchapter to Chapter 229 of title 18, United States Code providing for the possibility of expungement.

Please conduct an investigation on your own to bring debate to why this piece of legislation is not up for debate. Most Americans would rather see ex-offenders get work for themselves, obtain housing, vote and put themselves back together without a lot of costly programs and continued high recidivism rates.

>>>Put it on the radio as possible issue and listen to the cries of the those are may be senselessly suffering. Ask ranking Democrat on the Judiciary committee is Hon. John Conyers, Jr.(D) Michigan 14th, why this paper is not even their schedule for debate.

I have another idea that I think would work in helping to turn some of our young children to voting and staying out of trouble.

It is a hope that this finds someone who is willing to listen and consider bringing to light to what is attached. I haven't ever put myself out there the way I am now, but I would like to help in any way I can.

HHHHHHHEEEEELLLLPPP!!!!!!


Thanks,

[darren]

If you noticed, Heather MacDonald tried to make it sound like most blacks are bad and most whites are GOOD, even though whites are the BIGGEST CRIMINALS IN THE WORLD. The white man's crimes span the GLOBE from the Western Hemisphere(stealing the natives land), to Australia, Indonesia, China, South Africa, Vietnam, Palestine, The Philippines, the Congo, Hawaii, Alaska, New Zealand, New Guinea, India, e.t.c.

You can ALWAYS tell a RACIST when they don't admit to that MULTITUDE of WHITE CRIMES!

No mention of the theft of Italy by the Moors or of Hannibals conquering several nations & pro-slavery.

[ssjup81]

Where did you get your facts about Southern whites starting slavery? That would be wrong.Maybe the person made that comment because the southerners seemed more intent and adamant of keeping slavery down in the south as opposed to the other regions of the US.

[enpowermentnow]

"Tip Drill" is one of my favorite videos! No one should be blamed...they should be COMMENDED for what they did! :D ;) :cool: :)

Even though it comes on late at night it seemed more like a pornographic video than a music video. I am not a fan of T&A. I could see your point being a Blackman, but I am a black woman. I will not commend this video, and I will give you a point of reference. Go to you tube and look at all the minor black females imiating the video vixens. What happened to Choreography?:eek:

[enpowermentnow]

Not only that, but they engage in secret crimes all over the world!

All the time

[alphagreg1906]

It never ceases to amaze me how we as people of color still look to the judicail system for fair and impartial justice: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING". Instead of focusing on all the injustice we receive through the court system, let us focus on preventive care. We have a tendancy to see race in amost every aspect of our lives; why? BECAUSE IT'S THERE. There is no getting around this fact of life...now as my daddy loved to say "DEAL WITH IT". Daddy also exorted me to be twice as good to just stay even. Instead of seeing this fact of life as an liability, let us begin to see the upside to this reality. I submit for you thoughtful consideration that we as a people need to take control of our collective destiny not through attempts at pointing out misjustice and shaming those that perpetrate these wrongs upon us but through turning inwards and examining the roles that we play in the perpetuation of this sad state of affairs.

No where in the history of the world has there been a case of those in power freely and volentarily relinquish power to those it has previously subjugated. This country was formed on the basic tenants of capitalism and the mantra of "if you build a better mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door". True, the playing field is not level (it never was and never will be), but the beauty of this system is still: hard work and creativity is a God given gift and available to everyone. Somewhere and somehow along the line of fighting for our "civil" rights we have seem to forget this basic truth. We have substituted hard work and creativity for entitlements, quotas, welfare, and self-pity. Hard work and creativity has never gone out of fashion and are still the true paths to succeeding here, just ask any other ethnic minority group here.

Right or wrong, justice in this country is a comodity like any other, it is depensed and ajudicated based more on economic power and less on justice. Jena 6 was just another in a long series of seemingly outrageous legal decisions handed down to dispportionately black and brown poeple. We still believe the legal system will provide the justice that we long for and are in total shock when we don't get the outcome we desire. this can be evidence in our most recent display in Jena, LA. I think this was a very useful display of the willingness for people of color to stand together to rally behind a clear case of dispreportional justice. The best defense against this type of attack is education, discipline, and a sense of divine purpose. Bottomline: I am a realist; there is only one way to succeed in this country: Dream big (bigger than a hoops contract or rapper), set achievable short and mid-range objectives, and apply yourself vigorously. You most certainly won't be an overnight success; but, if you apply yourself long enough and earnestly in this country you will succeed. The unwritten rule in this country is that success is rewarded and failure is tolerated and/or worse yet marginalized. Where do you stand?

[enpowermentnow]

It never ceases to amaze me how we as people of color still look to the judicail system for fair and impartial justice: "THERE IS NO SUCH THING". Instead of focusing on all the injustice we receive through the court system, let us focus on preventive care. We have a tendancy to see race in amost every aspect of our lives; why? BECAUSE IT'S THERE. There is no getting around this fact of life...now as my daddy loved to say "DEAL WITH IT". Daddy also exorted me to be twice as good to just stay even. Instead of seeing this fact of life as an liability, let us begin to see the upside to this reality. I submit for you thoughtful consideration that we as a people need to take control of our collective destiny not through attempts at pointing out misjustice and shaming those that perpetrate these wrongs upon us but through turning inwards and examining the roles that we play in the perpetuation of this sad state of affairs.

No where in the history of the world has there been a case of those in power freely and volentarily relinquish power to those it has previously subjugated. This country was formed on the basic tenants of capitalism and the mantra of "if you build a better mouse trap the world will beat a path to your door". True, the playing field is not level (it never was and never will be), but the beauty of this system is still: hard work and creativity is a God given gift and available to everyone. Somewhere and somehow along the line of fighting for our "civil" rights we have seem to forget this basic truth. We have substituted hard work and creativity for entitlements, quotas, welfare, and self-pity. Hard work and creativity has never gone out of fashion and are still the true paths to succeeding here, just ask any other ethnic minority group here.

Right or wrong, justice in this country is a comodity like any other, it is depensed and ajudicated based more on economic power and less on justice. Jena 6 was just another in a long series of seemingly outrageous legal decisions handed down to dispportionately black and brown poeple. We still believe the legal system will provide the justice that we long for and are in total shock when we don't get the outcome we desire. this can be evidence in our most recent display in Jena, LA. I think this was a very useful display of the willingness for people of color to stand together to rally behind a clear case of dispreportional justice. The best defense against this type of attack is education, discipline, and a sense of divine purpose. Bottomline: I am a realist; there is only one way to succeed in this country: Dream big (bigger than a hoops contract or rapper), set achievable short and mid-range objectives, and apply yourself vigorously. You most certainly won't be an overnight success; but, if you apply yourself long enough and earnestly in this country you will succeed. The unwritten rule in this country is that success is rewarded and failure is tolerated and/or worse yet marginalized. Where do you stand?

It's all about the economics

[Blackman7]

Never forget Rosewood, Florida or "the Black Wall Street", Greenwood, Oklahoma.

Never give up and keep your eyes on the prize! :)

[sq357]

THE ONLY THINGS SAD MY DEAR IS THAT WE LET PEOPLE MAKE STATEMENTS ABOUT OUR STATE OF BEING BUT THEY DON'T KNOW A DANG THING HOW IT IS TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF OUR BEING.

THIS WOMAN HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE GHETTO OR OUR LOW INCOME AREAS TO TALK TO PEOPLE. SOME OF THE MOST TALENTED AND WELL EDUCATED AND GIFTED BLACK PEOPLE CAME FROM THESE AREAS. AND THE MEDIA ALWAYS WANT TO PORTRAY BLACK PEOPLE AS KILLERS AND MURDERERS AND THIEVES. AND IF IT WAS UP TO THEM WE ALL WOULD BE BEHIND BARS OR IN SLAVERY.

HOW CAN SHE COMMENT ON THE STATE OF OUR BEING WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER WALKED IN THOSE SHOES.

THE ONLY TRUTH IN HER STATEMENT IS THAT AMERICA HAS ALWAYS TRIED TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE OPPRESSED. BUT WE ARE A STRONG NATION OF PEOPLE. AND WE LOVE OTHERS NO MATTER HOW BAD YOU MIGHT TREAT US
WE STILL FIND LOVE AND APPLY IT BACK ON TO OTHERS.

DON'T BE SO QUICK TO AGREE ON A PERSONS OPINION CAUSE LIKE I SAY SOME OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUTT HOLES SOME STINK.:p
Are you serious...come on people! Years ago, I hated when someone outside of the race called us out, but we need to get passed that. Who are we fooling! Everyone sees the condition of black america--except us. We need to acknowlege all who bring reason.

Oh, I know some would like to hide behind Jessy and Al! Know who is more harmful--????

[n88]

Inner cities have been neglected and are breeding grounds for hopelessness and despair. With a job market that denies blacks, a judicial system that neglects the rights of the many potentially good black citizens by locking them up before they get a chance to learn what it is to contribute to society, and an over all omission of things that matter to blacks in the political landscape, it is no wonder why we are more likely to commit a crime. As much as I hate crime I do acknowledge that young black youth have adopted it as an option to aid in their personal survival. The money that is spent on preparing jails can be in part spent on inner city programs that show them that other options exist. I must go now but look for future posts.

[vonmiwi]

I've read many of her articles and all of you will be intrigued by many of the articles and essays that she has written. If any of you are interested here is the link:www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald.htm

[cashius]

Tuesday, 10/09/07
Rutherford school system sued over Jena Six T-shirt

Rutherford County
rctimes

A Smyrna High School student and her mother have filed a federal lawsuit against the school system because the student was not allowed into school wearing a T-shirt supporting the Jena Six, a group of black Louisiana teens charged with attacking a white classmate.

Dani Super, the student, and Norma Super sued the Rutherford County Board of Education and a Smyrna High administrator for not allowing Dani to wear her "Free the Jena Six" shirt at school on Sept. 20.


The suit claims the Supers were told by Assistant Principal Jolene Watson that Dani could not enter the main building wearing the shirt because it "could cause a problem." Earlier that morning, a handful of students had made racial comments in the hallways, and administrators had to separate the group, said district spokesman James Evans.

Monday afternoon, Evans said the system's legal department had not seen the four-page complaint and would not comment on pending litigation.

The Supers had spent part of the morning Sept. 20 at a Nashville rally in support of the six teens who have become a civil rights cause.

The suit contends Dani Super's First and Fourteenth amendment rights were violated by Watson's actions and that the school system "has developed and maintained policies or customs exhibiting indifference to the constitutional rights of students."

— MEALAND RAGLAND-HUDGINS
mragland@dnj.com

[enpowermentnow]

Never forget Rosewood, Florida or "the Black Wall Street", Greenwood, Oklahoma.

Never give up and keep your eyes on the prize! :)

CHANGE YOUR NAME TO BLACK HISTORY.....I WILL NEVER FORGET THESE INCIDENTS....PROFF THAT GIVEN A CHANCE...WE WILL PROSPER.......I ALSO REMEMBER MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, CLEANERS, BANKS, ACCOUNTANTS, LAUNDROMAT, SOUL FOOD RESTURANT, ALL BLACK OWNED. NOW ALL HINDU OWNED ITS A DISGRACE. MY OLD HOOD LOOKS LIKE BEIRUT LEBANON:(

[enpowermentnow]

Typical racist propoganda....

First of all, Heather Mac Donald failed to include thew GREATEST ARMED ROBBERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!!!

The white man coming over here and MURDERING MILLIONS OF NATIVES and STEALING THEIR LAND!!!

She doesn't consider THAT a CRIME!!!!

As long as the WHITE MAN kills and robs other races, then to Heather Mac Donald and others like her, it's fine and legal, but when the descendants of their enslaved hostages do the SAME things as their WHITE MASTERS (on a much smaller scale), then she calls THAT a "crime"!

I'd like to ask Heater Mac Donald this question, "If a man should be punished for breaking into a house and stealing the owner's possessions, what punishment should the WHITE RACE recieve for STEALING AN ENTIRE CONTINENT and killing MILLIONS of INDIANS???"

Yes, i've dealt with racists like Heather Mac Donald before. Her name sounds like british or Scot Irish...white supremists either way.

You really have achieved the art of undressing them

[charismatic1968]

Everyone Must remember we are just like Mike and George have stated ..A FATHERLESS NATION.. Get that understanding...YOur Ethnicity doen't matter when an injustice has been done because (just like the Jena case..I saw a program that showed 2, 12 year old white boys held in jail for a week with no parent contact for playing the slapping game that children play..they hit two white girls on the but and were arrested and detained and held..they had court and the DA was a cruel white women and probably just as demeaning as the Jena district attorney.).This is what the defense fund is for --equal justice.

I have educated in the field of Child development for twenty years and if you don't think that we are not all responsible for each other just know that if we as a nation do not urgently begin taking care of the minds and spirits of our young babies and children then it is going to get worse..on all ethnicities.

I read the article and what this lady does not understand is that......In any job you try to get the best person for the job...case in point the slave masters could/did not do the job and they (through forced employment) got the best person for the job..She should know that People are capable to do any job on this planet..Granted they are allowed. (opportunity)...Educators have access to the material that is taught to all children and they teach there children and their friends children and their cousins etc... So when you know that across America only about 12% of teachers are teachers of non-caucasian ethnicity then that means 80% of caucasian children have an access that other children do not..

REmember this too ...Women should be staying home with their children and teaching them along with the school and that teaching should beging in very good early childhood programs to become literate and to get good parenting schools. The government substandard to neglectful centers across this nation is damaging the minds and spirits of the children...That is a known statistic among the professional educators in early childhood education..Where do you think the gap in education comes from..People are working 18 hours a day to make money on jobs and leaving the children for those hours with strangers and neglectful caregivers....

My husband never had a choice whether I would stay home with my children and teach them and I try to let other women who want to do it know how (you have to let some extra things go..hair nails but that is secondary to the life of my children) that is a decision that was not compromisable.... I don't watch tv and at the same time I am near completion of a masters degree because when my kids are out of school I will still be more qualified then most people who left their kids and worked..MEN are designed to run the World they were created first.. At the same time Education allows you to be reflective of other people's opinions and be objective and take the part you need and disregard the other by doing better and more for mankind as a whole.....When a wife and mother is at home she allows her Husband the freedom to be the caretaker of his kingdom...I know some are going to say everyone can't be married..that is the choice you made when you lowered your standards..and settled for less then God intended...There should not be any out of wedlock children born today there is toomany contraceptives for unprepared parents..you are irresponsible if you in the year 2007 have children without because emotionally and financially prepared for them..My Husband wore a condom for a whole year when we realized I could not take birth control pills..He then had a vasectomoy when we decided we only wanted three children.

All ethnicities have to beccome conscious of how we have destroyed the precious seeds of Life...

People are so judgemential. Fatherless homes were created to destroy families. Families where split in slavery days, after that through the social economic system, and now most men leave on there own. "Actions, choices, and consciences" Though you boast and brag because you are one of the few who got lucky in life. You should known that we have no real control of our destiny (GOD DOES) UHMMM:rolleyes: ....I wonder how you feel when your husband leaves you for a younger woman and when your Master's degree means nothing because you lack job experience. You are a very happy person:rolleyes: Thats why you are so right:p See ya in 10-20yrs, tell me your story then. Since he's your King you probably dont mind his concubine;) .

[charismatic1968]

Everyone Must remember we are just like Mike and George have stated ..A FATHERLESS NATION.. Get that understanding...YOur Ethnicity doen't matter when an injustice has been done because (just like the Jena case..I saw a program that showed 2, 12 year old white boys held in jail for a week with no parent contact for playing the slapping game that children play..they hit two white girls on the but and were arrested and detained and held..they had court and the DA was a cruel white women and probably just as demeaning as the Jena district attorney.).This is what the defense fund is for --equal justice.

I have educated in the field of Child development for twenty years and if you don't think that we are not all responsible for each other just know that if we as a nation do not urgently begin taking care of the minds and spirits of our young babies and children then it is going to get worse..on all ethnicities.

I read the article and what this lady does not understand is that......In any job you try to get the best person for the job...case in point the slave masters could/did not do the job and they (through forced employment) got the best person for the job..She should know that People are capable to do any job on this planet..Granted they are allowed. (opportunity)...Educators have access to the material that is taught to all children and they teach there children and their friends children and their cousins etc... So when you know that across America only about 12% of teachers are teachers of non-caucasian ethnicity then that means 80% of caucasian children have an access that other children do not..

REmember this too ...Women should be staying home with their children and teaching them along with the school and that teaching should beging in very good early childhood programs to become literate and to get good parenting schools. The government substandard to neglectful centers across this nation is damaging the minds and spirits of the children...That is a known statistic among the professional educators in early childhood education..Where do you think the gap in education comes from..People are working 18 hours a day to make money on jobs and leaving the children for those hours with strangers and neglectful caregivers....

My husband never had a choice whether I would stay home with my children and teach them and I try to let other women who want to do it know how (you have to let some extra things go..hair nails but that is secondary to the life of my children) that is a decision that was not compromisable.... I don't watch tv and at the same time I am near completion of a masters degree because when my kids are out of school I will still be more qualified then most people who left their kids and worked..MEN are designed to run the World they were created first.. At the same time Education allows you to be reflective of other people's opinions and be objective and take the part you need and disregard the other by doing better and more for mankind as a whole.....When a wife and mother is at home she allows her Husband the freedom to be the caretaker of his kingdom...I know some are going to say everyone can't be married..that is the choice you made when you lowered your standards..and settled for less then God intended...There should not be any out of wedlock children born today there is toomany contraceptives for unprepared parents..you are irresponsible if you in the year 2007 have children without because emotionally and financially prepared for them..My Husband wore a condom for a whole year when we realized I could not take birth control pills..He then had a vasectomoy when we decided we only wanted three children.

All ethnicities have to beccome conscious of how we have destroyed the precious seeds of Life...

People are so judgemential. Fatherless homes were created to destroy families. Families where split in slavery days, after that through the social economic system, and now most men leave on there own. "Actions, choices, and consciences" Though you boast and brag because you are one of the few who got lucky in life. You should known that we have no real control of our destiny (GOD DOES) UHMMM:rolleyes: ....I wonder how you feel when your husband leaves you for a younger woman and when your Master's degree means nothing because you lack job experience. You are a very happy person:rolleyes: Thats why you are so right:p See ya in 10-20yrs, tell me your story then. Since he's your King you probably dont mind his concubine;) .

[charismatic1968]

Read your history Books. "RICH" Southern whites were SOME of the first Americas to participate in the Slave trade after Colonization.

[leslief]

I googled Heather McDonald. She does not seem to offer anything positive about minorities. Consider the source.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/mac_donald200503300758.asp

Maybe she doesn't but the fact is she is correct. Colored folks love "EMOTIONAL MASTURBATION"

Stop blaming everyone else for the things that go on with out kids. Look in the mirror. What have you done for a child in a positive matter? Oh, yeah that's right all the coloreds MARCHED. Give off your butts and the computer and go help a black child. STOP COMPLAINING AND MARCHING. BE PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE.

[leslief]

Are you serious...come on people! Years ago, I hated when someone outside of the race called us out, but we need to get passed that. Who are we fooling! Everyone sees the condition of black america--except us. We need to acknowlege all who bring reason.

Oh, I know some would like to hide behind Jessy and Al! Know who is more harmful--????


AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN

[grenetta b]

Are you serious...come on people! Years ago, I hated when someone outside of the race called us out, but we need to get passed that. Who are we fooling! Everyone sees the condition of black america--except us. We need to acknowlege all who bring reason.

Oh, I know some would like to hide behind Jessy and Al! Know who is more harmful--????



BLACK AMERICA IS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL HIM OR HERSELF MAKE IT. WE CAN'T SIT BACK AND DWELL ON THE NEGATIVE PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD OF, WOULD OF, COULD OF DONE NO. BLACK AMERICA STARTS WITH YOU OR I
AND WANTING TO IMPROVE BLACK AMERICA.

EVERYONE CAN SIT BACK ADD COMMENT ON BLACK AMERICA BUT NO ONE IS GETTING OFF THEIR BEHINDS AN ACCESSING WHAT CAN WE DO TO TURN BLACK AMERICA AROUND SO WE ARE NOT A LOST GENERATION.


SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY POSITIVE LEADERS. BUT DON'T DOWN THE ONES WE HAVE THAT ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO IMPROVE OUR SITUATIONS. NO POLITICIAN IS GOD AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPPED.

BUT IF THEY COME AT YOU WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR PURPOSE. LISTEN TO THEM WITH A CLEAR CONSCIOUS AND AN ACTIVE MIND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE COMING FROM WITH WHAT THEY PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU.

ITS LIKE GOING INTO A CONTRACT. YOUR GOING TO READ,STUDY BEFORE YOU SIGN AN AGREEMENT AND IF THAT CONTRACT IS NOT TO YOUR LIKING THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING NO THANK YOU AND SEEK A BETTER WAY
OF DOING BUSINESS.

ITS NO TIME TO DWELL ON BAD BUSINESS DESICIONS. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BLACK AMERICA IS MESSED UP AT TIMES. BUT YOU DON'T NEED NO ONE CONSTANTLY REMINDING YOU THAT YOU ARE A FAILURE EITHER. THE MORE SOMEONE POUNDS IT IN YOUR BRAIN EVENTUALLY YOUR GOING TO BECOME WHAT YOUR TAUGHT TO BE.


YES BLACK AMERICA NEEDS TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT SELF. BUT IT TAKES TIME AND PATIENCE AND A WILLING VESSEL TO COME OUT OF OLD HABITS AND TURN THEM AROUND INTO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USEFUL IN SOCIETY.

[charismatic1968]

Thanks to the person that came to my defense. Rich Southern whites were the first in America to embrace Slavery. First they had Indentured Servants, which was another form of slavery against there own POOR white people. That was learned in school. IS didn't work out too well, they started dying off, and could blend in too well. They couldnt keep up with the work and were only "Supposed" to be indentured for seven years. Just like what happened with the Indians, they died from various diseases also. Poor whites are hated, in a since, just as much as blacks and other minorities are. The only difference is that certain whites disassociate themselves from them. White people catergorize all Blacks the same way no matter what they do. They focus on the negative aspect of Black Culture. People need to Read all of the history book instead of parts the suit them.

[charismatic1968]

Thanks to the person that came to my defense. Rich Southern whites were the first in America to embrace Slavery. First they had Indentured Servants, which was another form of slavery against there own POOR white people. That was learned in school. IS didn't work out too well, they started dying off, and could blend in too well. They couldnt keep up with the work and were only "Supposed" to be indentured for seven years. Just like what happened with the Indians, they died from various diseases also. Poor whites are hated, in a since, just as much as blacks and other minorities are. The only difference is that certain whites disassociate themselves from them. White people catergorize all Blacks the same way no matter what they do. They focus on the negative aspect of Black Culture. People need to Read all of the history book instead of parts the suit them.

[belovedstud]

Hello Everyone, I've been out the country for the last three weeks... What's the latest on the Jena situation? I know the last young man was out of jail. But I don't anything further... Will the case get dropped or will he and the rest of the young men get prosecuted?

[filmoredollar]

BLACK AMERICA IS WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL HIM OR HERSELF MAKE IT. WE CAN'T SIT BACK AND DWELL ON THE NEGATIVE PART OF WHAT WE SHOULD OF, WOULD OF, COULD OF DONE NO. BLACK AMERICA STARTS WITH YOU OR I
AND WANTING TO IMPROVE BLACK AMERICA.

I completely agree. I don't sit home and dwell on all of these negative stats I read about or see on the news. Am out here living the opposite of those negatives. am doing what I can do and thats all any black man can do. If we just sit at home worried about 70% of single family households and the like we couldn't possibly have enough in us to live our lives. I am not a stat, I am a person. I think that this is the problem. We as black people do this same thing to white folks where we want to point out the negative in them AS IF THEY CARE. Yes we should fight for our rights but white folks are not losing sleep over slavery and Jim Crow nor should they. So we need to stop making such a deal out of every statistic and as individuals live the best that we can helping our brothers and sisters along the way.

EVERYONE CAN SIT BACK ADD COMMENT ON BLACK AMERICA BUT NO ONE IS GETTING OFF THEIR BEHINDS AN ACCESSING WHAT CAN WE DO TO TURN BLACK AMERICA AROUND SO WE ARE NOT A LOST GENERATION.

People are giving ideas, Tavis Smiley (The Covenant) being one of them. But I think that we being somewhat self hating want to here about all of our short comings over and over again to reinforce this self hate. Maybe some of us prefer this to looking at the positives and DOING positive things. It's like the little girl who sits in the mirror telling herself how ungly and fat she is.


SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANY POSITIVE LEADERS. BUT DON'T DOWN THE ONES WE HAVE THAT ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO IMPROVE OUR SITUATIONS. NO POLITICIAN IS GOD AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE WORSHIPPED.

BUT IF THEY COME AT YOU WITH A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR PURPOSE. LISTEN TO THEM WITH A CLEAR CONSCIOUS AND AN ACTIVE MIND TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE COMING FROM WITH WHAT THEY PRESENT IN FRONT OF YOU.

ITS LIKE GOING INTO A CONTRACT. YOUR GOING TO READ,STUDY BEFORE YOU SIGN AN AGREEMENT AND IF THAT CONTRACT IS NOT TO YOUR LIKING THEN YOU HAVE THE OPTION OF SAYING NO THANK YOU AND SEEK A BETTER WAY
OF DOING BUSINESS.

ITS NO TIME TO DWELL ON BAD BUSINESS DESICIONS. AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BLACK AMERICA IS MESSED UP AT TIMES. BUT YOU DON'T NEED NO ONE CONSTANTLY REMINDING YOU THAT YOU ARE A FAILURE EITHER. THE MORE SOMEONE POUNDS IT IN YOUR BRAIN EVENTUALLY YOUR GOING TO BECOME WHAT YOUR TAUGHT TO BE.


YES BLACK AMERICA NEEDS TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT SELF. BUT IT TAKES TIME AND PATIENCE AND A WILLING VESSEL TO COME OUT OF OLD HABITS AND TURN THEM AROUND INTO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USEFUL IN SOCIETY.

I could not have said it any better. You know African Slaves (our ancestors) spent a great deal of there time celebrating and making the best of whatever they had. Our ancestors didn't complain about master taking the pig leaving only the it's feet, and guts..... they made a cuisine out of it.

[darren]

Read your history Books. "RICH" Southern whites were SOME of the first Americas to participate in the Slave trade after Colonization.


Apparently your history book is different from mine. Colonies were in the northeast of this continent for approximately 150 years before settlement in the southern states such as Alabama & Westward.

[charismatic1968]

The Jena 6 case is about racism in America, our failure to properly discpline our children, and our failing to stand up and be heard.
Yes, these juveniles rec'vd charges that were not compatible with the crime from an overzealous DA; I did say crime because what these juvneiles did was a crime and not a simple one -on-one school yard fight. When you dig deeper into this, you find that these juveniles were not the little angels that everyone painted them to be. This comes back to the parents, who failed to provide supervision; Bell's parents were split, mom has a rap sheet of violence/dad lived in Dallas. The oppurtunity to be jurors was given to African-American residents of Jena and they failed to show/reply; imagine if someone had stepped forward for jury duty and this probably would have led to a hung jury.
As far as affirmative action, sure some have made it in with scores that did not qualify; the same as white students that get through due to parents being alumnni, having clout or made a substanial contribution. Yet come graduation time, we are there graduating and then we must face corporate America. The CEOs are not making room for us or ensuring that we get the positions that will make us competitive high profile jobs and not just the minority jobs, Director of Minority Issues etc...
Is America racist? HELL YES!!!!! Only now they don't hang us, whip us, burn us, etc...It is done through inadeqaute education or the old slave master trick of potray the balck male as weak and the women as strong. The judcial system is that new whip and we fall right in line with our rate of crime; a felon can not vote and will have a hard time finding a job to support their family upon release. SMACK!! FEEL THAT WHIP TEARING INTO US!!!!
We complain of drugs and guns in our communities that the white man has forced upon us. Yes, the white man made the gun, the bullets and sold these guns to someone. From there we got the gun, got the bullets, took aim and pulled the trigger; I don't see any white people in that last part.
Drugs are brought in by white men and their central american counterparts and sold to us to make crack, which we know is highly addictive and destroyed our community. But for that all mighty dollar anything goes including genocide. I need to stop, because I could go on forever. But think about this: 90% of us are trying to do right and 10% could give a damn. Unfortunately the media gives 90% of their coverage to that 10%. God forbid people see that: they really are no better than us, want the samething for their families as we do, and are decent respectable people.

GTNMAN YOU ARE SO RIGHT. Some white people fail to realize these things. They overlook them. Your President Bush, a C student, who graduated from Harvard, avoided the military, and is an alcoholic is a product of the GOOD old boy system you mention. For the few black that Did go there or other Ivy League schools like (Barack Obama, Cornel West, and others) had to bust there butts and manitain a grade point average of B+ or above. They still are not looked at as totally equal.

[filmoredollar]

Apparently your history book is different from mine. Colonies were in the northeast of this continent for approximately 150 years before settlement in the southern states such as Alabama & Westward.

How did you like ol' boys use of the word "colored"?. "The coloreds marched"? That was a throw back to Jim Crow. Now if you excuse me I going to the "Colored" bathroom. :D

[charismatic1968]

Of course they were. Massa Always hafta be right.

[filmoredollar]

We complain of drugs and guns in our communities that the white man has forced upon us. Yes, the white man made the gun, the bullets and sold these guns to someone. From there we got the gun, got the bullets, took aim and pulled the trigger; I don't see any white people in that last part.
Drugs are brought in by white men and their central american counterparts and sold to us to make crack, which we know is highly addictive and destroyed our community.

I agree that the drugs and guns destroyed our neighborhoods but where is the personal responsibility here. Even if i grant you that the white man gave us the drugs and guns (Nevermind the liqour stores, and gun stores that out number grocery stores in our neighborhoods) there was no force used. I don't recall seeing white people selling the drugs, or taking them, or robbing people o get mony to by them. We had choices.

But think about this: 90% of us are trying to do right and 10% could give a damn. Unfortunately the media gives 90% of their coverage to that 10%. God forbid people see that: they really are no better than us, want the samething for their families as we do, and are decent respectable people.

It's emotional abuse is what it is. But, just like master had a bootlickin' trustee who kept the other slaves in line on the plantation. We are still helping to push this "Blacks ain't S***" image. This is psychological warfare.

[filmoredollar]

Oh wait, massa not pose to no I could read.

[darren]

How did you like ol' boys use of the word "colored"?. "The coloreds marched"? That was a throw back to Jim Crow. Now if you excuse me I going to the "Colored" bathroom. :D

Could you explain that one to me. I haven't said colored.

[Blackman7]

The bottom line is that GOD is the judge. Apparently, He put the white race in power to help bring the world to an end.

Polluted food, air, and water, global warming, decrease in the ozone layer, the Greenhouse Effect, homosexually generated STD's such as AIDS, weapons of mass destruction, hi-tech war, and intercontinental nuclear missles, it's obvious that the WHITE MAN'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE is to help bring the WORLD to an end!!!!

[filmoredollar]

Could you explain that one to me. I haven't said colored.

Sorry, not you, I was refering to a post that was next to one of yours.

[filmoredollar]

Maybe she doesn't but the fact is she is correct. Colored folks love "EMOTIONAL MASTURBATION"

Stop blaming everyone else for the things that go on with out kids. Look in the mirror. What have you done for a child in a positive matter? Oh, yeah that's right all the coloreds MARCHED. Give off your butts and the computer and go help a black child. STOP COMPLAINING AND MARCHING. BE PROACTIVE AND NOT REACTIVE.

heres the post

[filmoredollar]

The bottom line is that GOD is the judge. Apparently, He put the white race in power to help bring the world to an end.

Polluted food, air, and water, global warming, decrease in the ozone layer, the Greenhouse Effect, homosexually generated STD's such as AIDS, weapons of mass destruction, hi-tech war, and intercontinental nuclear missles, it's obvious that the WHITE MAN'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE is to help bring the WORLD to an end!!!!

I think it's a safe bet to blame the tainted food on the chinese. :)

[Blackman7]

Most white people have the morals of an alley cat. They WORSHIP Princess Diana, as if she's a bastion of VIRTUE or something, but she didn't die TAKING CARE OF HER CHILDREN..she died while chasing some ____!

[Blackman7]

I think it's a safe bet to blame the tainted food on the chinese. :)

LOL You know that white folks are the BIGGEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD, but like MOST criminals, they NEVER blame themselves!

When the gangster, Al Capone, was arrested, he didn't think he'd done anything wrong. While escorting him to prison, he said, "After all i've done for society, THIS is how you repay me??"

Such is the self righteous, hypocritcal, white devil mind.

[filmoredollar]

LOL You know that white folks are the BIGGEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD, but like MOST criminals, they NEVER blame themselves!

When the gangster, Al Capone, was arrested, he didn't think he'd done anything wrong. While escorting him to prison, he said, "After all i've done for society, THIS is how you repay me??"

Such is the self righteous, hypocritcal, white devil mind.

Al Capone was pissed cause they got him on tax evasion instead of murder. When he said "After all i've done for society" he meant "After all the government officials I bribed, am still going to jail". He was shocked. lol I'd be pissed too.

[Blackman7]

Why doesn't the white man feature any NATIVE programs on TV???

Why don't they give the people whose LAND they stole a voice???

I hear RACISTS and BIGOTS like O'Reilly and Don Imus EVERYDAY, but not ONCE have I heard a NATIVE'S opinion this year!

Well they did show one BRIEF clip of some natives protesting Columbus Day, yesterday. They said that instead of a day of CELEBRATION, Columbus Day should be a day of MOURNING, because that day marked the beginning of the GENOCIDE of the original inhabitants of this land!

[Blackman7]

When they call you a "white devil", believe me, the white man DESERVES it!

[Blackman7]

Like the bible says, "the devil is the Prince of this world", and the WHITE MAN is his FAITHFUL SERVANT. He's been serving Satan now for over 400 YEARS!!!

If you recall the story about Christ in the wilderness, then you might remember that Satan took Christ upon a HIGH mountain, and showed him ALL THE KINGDOMS and POWER IN THE WORLD, and told Christ, "All this I will give you, if you worship me".

Of course, Jesus refused, but apparently the WHITE MAN took Satan up on his offer, and Satan has given him GREAT WEALTH and POWER, in exchange for their evil deeds!

[GWB]

I have always found that it is best to have a balanced approach to a confrontational situation. In situations like Jena, there is a fight to show the world that there are injustices that we are still dealing with everyday. Unless I am wrong, we are trying to form a united voice to reach out to people of our community and all other communities in an attempt to create change. We seem to always do this without looking at ourselves and admitting our errors. Instead we charge in an attempt to defeat our opposition. This type of strategy will never produce the victory we are seeking. We need to gain supporters. Bring people on our side of the issue, whether they are on the fence, on the sideline or on the opposing side. That is how it was done in Selma, thats how Rev. King did it. The kid that was hurt in this fight/attack should have been spoken up for by our leaders in the Jena movement, it should be the first thing said, he is still a victim. When one of our children are attacked we get upset, we get excited, we believe everything our child says (even though they also lie). Giving the victim the respect they deserve is the first step towards winning supporters. The Jena 6 were victims of the DA, and just as we would like people to support our boys, we must recognize the victim in the same way. In the case of Jena, the actions of the DA were outrageous and should be investigated in the same way the DA in the Duke Lacrosse case was investigated. The injustice lies in the way the Jena 6 were prosecuted when compared to the white young men that hung the noose, brought a shotgun to the gas station and the man that attacked the black young man at the party. The actions of the Jena 6 were wrong as were the actions of the white young men. They all committed crimes, they all should have those crimes addressed in a manner that is appropriate to the crime committed. The Jena 6 never should have touched that kid, I know how it feels to be upset and want to just go upside the head of someone that is provoking you, but you can't. We as black men and women are already at a disadvantage, we are often seen as guilty until proven innocent. I learned this early in my life living in NYC as a young teen getting stopped by cops for no apparent reason except to possibly find a reason to lock me up. Because we already have the odds stacked against us we need to make sure we are always innocent, it may not keep us from trouble but it is easier to avoid being locked up when you are innocent. If you do all you can to stay out of trouble it makes it harder for them to get you, believe me they will still try. Don't give the police something to work with, make it hard for them to get you in the system (not by being clever in your attempts to do wrong but by doing right.) Lets bring people to our cause and be honest about our part in it just like the leaders of the Civil Rights Movement did in the past.

Goodwin

[somerbrze]

As far the article written by Heather, she has a right to her opinion, and I prefer to move forward. We have marched in Jena, LA, and we are being made aware of the other injustices that are happening across the nation. Hopefully we can help in those areas also. What we really need to do as well is restore our communities! No one is going to do it for us. They'd surely let us kill each other and then come pick the bodies with a smile.

We need our Black Men to stand up, and take charge, and our Black Women to work along side him. Much respect to those we have taken that stance, and come on to those still thinking about stepping up. We can do this! Let us not be divided. Let's stand together. We are too powerful not to.

Much Love

[LHutchenson]

I have always found that it is best to have a balanced approach to a confrontational situation. In situations like Jena, there is a fight to show the world that there are injustices that we are still dealing with everyday. Unless I am wrong, we are trying to form a united voice to reach out to people of our community and all other communities in an attempt to create change. We seem to always do this without looking at ourselves and admitting our errors. Instead we charge in an attempt to defeat our opposition. This type of strategy will never produce the victory we are seeking. We need to gain supporters. Bring people on our side of the issue, whether they are on the fence, on the sideline or on the opposing side. That is how it was done in Selma, thats how Rev. King did it. The kid that was hurt in this fight/attack should have been spoken up for by our leaders in the Jena movement, it should be the first thing said, he is still a victim. When one of our children are attacked we get upset, we get excited, we believe everything our child says (even though they also lie). Giving the victim the respect they deserve is the first step towards winning supporters. The Jena 6 were victims of the DA, and just as we would like people to support our boys, we must recognize the victim in the same way. In the case of Jena, the actions of the DA were outrageous and should be investigated in the same way the DA in the Duke Lacrosse case was investigated. The injustice lies in the way the Jena 6 were prosecuted when compared to the white young men that hung the noose, brought a shotgun to the gas station and the man that attacked the black young man at the party. The actions of the Jena 6 were wrong as were the actions of the white young men. They all committed crimes, they all should have those crimes addressed in a manner that is appropriate to the crime committed. The Jena 6 never should have touched that kid, I know how it feels to be upset and want to just go upside the head of someone that is provoking you, but you can't. We as black men and women are already at a disadvantage, we are often seen as guilty until proven innocent. I learned this early in my life living in NYC as a young teen getting stopped by cops for no apparent reason except to possibly find a reason to lock me up. Because we already have the odds stacked against us we need to make sure we are always innocent, it may not keep us from trouble but it is easier to avoid being locked up when you are innocent. If you do all you can to stay out of trouble it makes it harder for them to get you, believe me they will still try. Don't give the police something to work with, make it hard for them to get you in the system (not by being clever in your attempts to do wrong but by doing right.) Lets bring people to our cause and be honest about our part in it just like the leaders of the Civil Rights Movement did in the past.

Goodwin

You appear to be very empathetic and heartfelt with your comments, but please, please, please, do not misrepresent what happened at the Jena 6 rally. I was there, and the first thing that all of our leaders acknowledged was that this is about equal justice. They explained that the Jena 6 were not justified in their response, but still deserved equal benefit of the law.

[LHutchenson]

Black People, don’t be fooled by useless statistics. The author of this article has cited that blacks need to focus on and fix the fact that we have a disproportionately higher crime rate than whites. I wonder if she realizes that she has simultaneously argued and contradicted herself within this work. She explains to us that Jena, LA is not an anomaly in regards to racism. With her rhetorical question of whether or not Jena, LA is the microcosm of racism, she correctly, though maybe accidentally, implies that institutional discrimination and racism are happening everywhere in America. But if we look at just one of the many incidents surrounding the Jena 6 case, a white male confronted three black youths with a shotgun at a convenience store. To protect themselves, the youths disarmed their attacker. Although witnesses confirm these events, the white assailant was not charged with Brandishing a Firearm or Aggravated Assault for the threat of bodily harm. Yet, the three black youths were charged with Theft of Property. If this is happening everywhere (also evident in the many posts on the “Hot News” thread), how in the [world] would anyone ever expect the white crime rate to be equal to or higher than blacks? Were they really supposed to give the shotgun back to their attacker?

I’m sure everyone agrees that there are some opportunities for improvement in the black community. Guess what? There are quite a few things in the white “back yard” that also needs some attention. I would love to see some accurate research on what is really going on in this country. So for those of you (black, white or other) still playing the blame game, SHOW SOME CONSISTENCY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blackman7]

Good Point! That was very insightful of you to pick up on that!

[leslief]

How did you like ol' boys use of the word "colored"?. "The coloreds marched"? That was a throw back to Jim Crow. Now if you excuse me I going to the "Colored" bathroom. :D


first of all, you quoted the wrong article. Secondly I am a woman not an 'ole boy. Third I am a black woman. All of us are colored who ever thought of that "African American" crap.....PLEASE!

[charismatic1968]

In response to the one who is asking where did I get my facts from. Sacastically stating that we have different history books. To Quote myself when I said that, "Southern White started slavery." I meant that: "The legalized practice of enslaving blacks occured in every colony. The ecomonic reality of "SOUTHERN" colonies "Perpetuated the Institution," which was first leagalized in Massachusetts in 1641. " (Colonial Williamsburg Web page)

The attitude of most Southern Whites in regards to racism is different from others. Why do they display the confederate flag? That shows their warped why of thinking. The Confeds. lost the war right? Their fear, envy, and hatred is overzealous. Like I stated earlier, most of them suffer from reverse guilt and true ignorance. Everything that they said that we couldnt do, we have done extremely well. Racist Whites state that Blacks are the "Inferior Race," thats something that they have pyshced themselves into believing. We master everything that we do from Education, Entertainment/Sports, etc.

Heather Mac Donald is a part of the new racist movement. Since they no longer Enslave, Rape, Lynch, etc. us, they use an hidden or pyschological approach like Willie Lynch did. They write articles like this and others. They try to put the blame on us and keep us divided. We still suffer from the Aftermath of Slavery and the Infinitive Damage planted in the roots of some of our minds. Just like Racism has never left, neither has the "Crab in the barrell/Divide and Conquer mind set that was instilled in some people. That's why centuries later, we see negativity in the Black, White and other communities. The media maginifies it mainly in the Black community. Basically to keep the drama off of themselves.

All races have a lower class that they are ashamed of. Thats something that is not likely to change. Criminals, prostitutes, ghettoness, trashiness, AIDS, etc. come in ALL races. Why is the focus is "ALWAYS MAINLY" on Black people. Its another form of Oppression or Racism to physchologically keep them down. "Magnify there flaws...make them feel worthless. Enforce and make them beleive that they cant do any better. No matter how many of them do, Dont show it to the world. We dont want the world to see them as people. Make them see themselves that way. Classify them in one negative box."

In conclusion, people dont fall for Mac Donalds and the trick of other like her and Willie Lynch's. We know we have a problem with our youth and crime. We are working on that also (another situation that the media doesnt talk about). So, Lets focus on loving and supporting each other like we did in Jena and MLK and others did in the Civil Rights Era. Lets as a people continue to help each other and stuck together like they say we dont. Racist whites dont like that. Thats another smack in the face to them. LOVE TO ALL RACES that fight for Civil Rights & Equality and that is against Racism.

[charismatic1968]

In response to the one who is asking where did I get my facts from. Sacastically stating that we have different history books. To Quote myself when I said that, "Southern White started slavery." I meant that: "The legalized practice of enslaving blacks occured in every colony. The ecomonic reality of "SOUTHERN" colonies "Perpetuated the Institution," which was first leagalized in Massachusetts in 1641. " (Colonial Williamsburg Web page)

The attitude of most Southern Whites in regards to racism is different from others. Why do they display the confederate flag? That shows their warped why of thinking. The Confeds. lost the war right? Their fear, envy, and hatred is overzealous. Like I stated earlier, most of them suffer from reverse guilt and true ignorance. Everything that they said that we couldnt do, we have done extremely well. Racist Whites state that Blacks are the "Inferior Race," thats something that they have pyshced themselves into believing. We master everything that we do from Education, Entertainment/Sports, etc.

Heather Mac Donald is a part of the new racist movement. Since they no longer Enslave, Rape, Lynch, etc. us, they use an hidden or pyschological approach like Willie Lynch did. They write articles like this and others. They try to put the blame on us and keep us divided. We still suffer from the Aftermath of Slavery and the Infinitive Damage planted in the roots of some of our minds. Just like Racism has never left, neither has the "Crab in the barrell/Divide and Conquer mind set that was instilled in some people. That's why centuries later, we see negativity in the Black, White and other communities. The media maginifies it mainly in the Black community. Basically to keep the drama off of themselves.

All races have a lower class that they are ashamed of. Thats something that is not likely to change. Criminals, prostitutes, ghettoness, trashiness, AIDS, etc. come in ALL races. Why is the focus is "ALWAYS MAINLY" on Black people. Its another form of Oppression or Racism to physchologically keep them down. "Magnify there flaws...make them feel worthless. Enforce and make them beleive that they cant do any better. No matter how many of them do, Dont show it to the world. We dont want the world to see them as people. Make them see themselves that way. Classify them in one negative box."

In conclusion, people dont fall for Mac Donalds and the trick of other like her and Willie Lynch's. We know we have a problem with our youth and crime. We are working on that also (another situation that the media doesnt talk about). So, Lets focus on loving and supporting each other like we did in Jena and MLK and others did in the Civil Rights Era. Lets as a people continue to help each other and stuck together like they say we dont. Racist whites dont like that. Thats another smack in the face to them. LOVE TO ALL RACES that fight for Civil Rights & Equality and that is against Racism.

[darren]

The bottom line is that GOD is the judge. Apparently, He put the white race in power to help bring the world to an end.

Polluted food, air, and water, global warming, decrease in the ozone layer, the Greenhouse Effect, homosexually generated STD's such as AIDS, weapons of mass destruction, hi-tech war, and intercontinental nuclear missles, it's obvious that the WHITE MAN'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE is to help bring the WORLD to an end!!!!


So I guess since you are African American & know the white race that AIDs didn't originate in Africa. As far as pollution is concerned The Continent Of Africa is The most polluted. I am tempted to Call you Al as in Gore; global warming is a theory not fact or proven. As far as homosexuality; I didn't know that Sodom & Gomorrah were populated by white people.

[darren]

LOL You know that white folks are the BIGGEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD, but like MOST criminals, they NEVER blame themselves!

When the gangster, Al Capone, was arrested, he didn't think he'd done anything wrong. While escorting him to prison, he said, "After all i've done for society, THIS is how you repay me??"

Such is the self righteous, hypocritcal, white devil mind.

Al Capone was Italian. But you knowing history like you do would know that. As anyone who has read history most of Italy is part Black due to the invasion of the moors & changed the dna of that country forever. Now is it just white people who have a develish mind?

[darren]

In response to the one who is asking where did I get my facts from. Sacastically stating that we have different history books. To Quote myself when I said that, "Southern White started slavery." I meant that: "The legalized practice of enslaving blacks occured in every colony. The ecomonic reality of "SOUTHERN" colonies "Perpetuated the Institution," which was first leagalized in Massachusetts in 1641. " (Colonial Williamsburg Web page)

The attitude of most Southern Whites in regards to racism is different from others. Why do they display the confederate flag? That shows their warped why of thinking. The Confeds. lost the war right? Their fear, envy, and hatred is overzealous. Like I stated earlier, most of them suffer from reverse guilt and true ignorance. Everything that they said that we couldnt do, we have done extremely well. Racist Whites state that Blacks are the "Inferior Race," thats something that they have pyshced themselves into believing. We master everything that we do from Education, Entertainment/Sports, etc.

Heather Mac Donald is a part of the new racist movement. Since they no longer Enslave, Rape, Lynch, etc. us, they use an hidden or pyschological approach like Willie Lynch did. They write articles like this and others. They try to put the blame on us and keep us divided. We still suffer from the Aftermath of Slavery and the Infinitive Damage planted in the roots of some of our minds. Just like Racism has never left, neither has the "Crab in the barrell/Divide and Conquer mind set that was instilled in some people. That's why centuries later, we see negativity in the Black, White and other communities. The media maginifies it mainly in the Black community. Basically to keep the drama off of themselves.

All races have a lower class that they are ashamed of. Thats something that is not likely to change. Criminals, prostitutes, ghettoness, trashiness, AIDS, etc. come in ALL races. Why is the focus is "ALWAYS MAINLY" on Black people. Its another form of Oppression or Racism to physchologically keep them down. "Magnify there flaws...make them feel worthless. Enforce and make them beleive that they cant do any better. No matter how many of them do, Dont show it to the world. We dont want the world to see them as people. Make them see themselves that way. Classify them in one negative box."

In conclusion, people dont fall for Mac Donalds and the trick of other like her and Willie Lynch's. We know we have a problem with our youth and crime. We are working on that also (another situation that the media doesnt talk about). So, Lets focus on loving and supporting each other like we did in Jena and MLK and others did in the Civil Rights Era. Lets as a people continue to help each other and stuck together like they say we dont. Racist whites dont like that. Thats another smack in the face to them. LOVE TO ALL RACES that fight for Civil Rights & Equality and that is against Racism.


The confederate flag is a symbol of Southern heritage. no matter what you hear. the flag was created for the states that seceeded from the Union. Abolishment of slavery was not a part of the war until lincoln thought that the North was going to lose. He done that to get the Black people who were fighting for the South to turn to the North. It was people like the not so great General Nathan Bedford Dumb ass Forrest who was one of the originators of the Klan that drew peoples attention to the flag and it's only association with racism at that time. Granted you are right a lot of misguided or racist White people do display it for the wrong reasons.

That being said, and I'm not being racist. If all Black people in this country are African Americans; How do you validate wearing African colors, such as robes & head scarves?

In closing racism will never die as long as propagandist people like Sharpton, Jackson, Nation of Islam, White supremicist like Richard Barrett, Alan Bean & The Black Panthers & The Klan exist.

[LHutchenson]

The confederate flag is a symbol of Southern heritage. no matter what you hear. the flag was created for the states that seceeded from the Union. Abolishment of slavery was not a part of the war until lincoln thought that the North was going to lose. He done that to get the Black people who were fighting for the South to turn to the North. It was people like the not so great General Nathan Bedford Dumb ass Forrest who was one of the originators of the Klan that drew peoples attention to the flag and it's only association with racism at that time. Granted you are right a lot of misguided or racist White people do display it for the wrong reasons.

That being said, and I'm not being racist. If all Black people in this country are African Americans; How do you validate wearing African colors, such as robes & head scarves?

In closing racism will never die as long as propagandist people like Sharpton, Jackson, Nation of Islam, White supremicist like Richard Barrett, Alan Bean & The Black Panthers & The Klan exist.

What is the Southern heritage? Is it treason or hate? Both? Or, something else?

[charismatic1968]

Regarding why black people in this country are African Americans and wear African attire. Some do that because it is a part of our heritage. Slaves past down stories about our Anscestors as much as they could. We were stripped our true culture and hertiage because of slavery. A lot of blacks embrace where we came from. They want a sense of belonging. We were forced here and were never totally welcomed into this country. Being of African descent means a little bit of african and a mixture of other things. That was a label that was forced on us as well due to all of the raping,that occurred during and after slavery. Since we were going through through so much here in America, we lost focus, and forgot about our heritage for a while.

We fit in were we can. Since our true identity was lost from traveling from port to port, from master to master, and from state to state, etc. We will never know the totally truth about who we are and where we came from. What we do know is that we descend from African people. In America, went from being property, to 1/3 human, and to being second class citizens. Negras, Colored, Blacks, and now African Americans. It kills me when Racist whites say "Go back to Africa." Our anscestors didnt come here by choice. Alot of us have never been to Africa. Where would we go anyway? Being brought and sold so many times we would never find home. Being born here we are still not totally excepted. We were born into the American Culture. What would we do in Africa with our American mindsets?

Blacks have learned the truth about our African history and culture. We are better educated now. Some want to be apart of that and want to get to know what was stripped away. The Black American Culture is not that great. Painful memories past and present linger on through racism. Nooses showing up everywhere to remind us of Lynching. Fighting in schools, rapes, threats,etc. So we look elsewhere, we are a part of the African Culture which would of probably been our only culture if not for Slavery

[darren]

What is the Southern heritage? Is it treason or hate? Both? Or, something else?

Part of Southern Heritage is hate. To me it is hatred of a country that was jealous of it self. By that I mean the Northern states really didn't have any business at that time other than steel or importation of goods. The Southern states had all of the cash crops. Such as cotton, corn, beans etc.

Lincoln had failed in every business venture he tried until he moved further north. Then he got into politics. Also failed numerous times until he enlisted enough coorporate support to be elected to the senate. Then he was later elected president.

As I said before. The northern states were jealous of southern states. The South made more money and imported more goods from Europe & other countries. So the north sought embargos & higher taxes on goods coming into & leaving the South.

The South would not agree and talk of secession came into play. The first person Lincoln tried to enlist to head his army was General Robert E. Lee. Lee was loyal to his home state which was Virginia. When Virginia decided to seceed he was made Commanding General of all Southern troops By The already recognized president of the Confederate States of America Jefferson Davis. The Confederate Flag/ Rebel Flag Was made for this purpose. The Confederate States Of America.

Every country through out history has had it's flag. Mainly for pride & loyalty.

[LHutchenson]

Part of Southern Heritage is hate. To me it is hatred of a country that was jealous of it self. By that I mean the Northern states really didn't have any business at that time other than steel or importation of goods. The Southern states had all of the cash crops. Such as cotton, corn, beans etc.

Lincoln had failed in every business venture he tried until he moved further north. Then he got into politics. Also failed numerous times until he enlisted enough coorporate support to be elected to the senate. Then he was later elected president.

As I said before. The northern states were jealous of southern states. The South made more money and imported more goods from Europe & other countries. So the north sought embargos & higher taxes on goods coming into & leaving the South.

The South would not agree and talk of secession came into play. The first person Lincoln tried to enlist to head his army was General Robert E. Lee. Lee was loyal to his home state which was Virginia. When Virginia decided to seceed he was made Commanding General of all Southern troops By The already recognized president of the Confederate States of America Jefferson Davis. The Confederate Flag/ Rebel Flag Was made for this purpose. The Confederate States Of America.

Every country through out history has had it's flag. Mainly for pride & loyalty.

I do not have any facts on this matter, but I would bet that your view of the Rebel flags is not the consensus among all those who possess them. But personally, I am no more affected by the Rebel flag as you might be with Brothers wearing FUBU. Nevertheless, I see that you have been pretty active on the boards, and it’s good to add a white (?) perspective to these debates.

[henry8]

Sadly the situation we, the entire nation, find ourselves caught up in 2007, was predicted and written about by visionaries such as the late Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in his book, "Why We Can't Wait". If you haven't read the title you can find it in a good bookstore or get it at your local library. I suggest it for everyone who is unfamiliar with the real Dr. King...not the dreamer, but the realist.

Often characterized as a mealymouthed Uncle Tom, Dr. King was a strong leader and a great intellectual despite those who today would detract from his accomplishments; he was one of the true American originals.

King, along with the Pulitzer Prize winning author, the late James Michener (Hawaii, The Drifters, and other great novels) wrote 40-plus years ago of the horrific conditions in education, health and general welfare that would exist
if we, the people and the government, which is us, did not heed to the warning signals exhibited in the early 1960s.

And so today we find latch-key kids the norm; single parent families the norm; parents working 2 sometimes 3 jobs to provide for their families with no time to nurture the family. Schools not educating the children and parents not insisting the children be properly educated because they work so hard; discipline at home and in the schools is non-existent. Quality healthcare is declining..our cities are a mess...services inadequate on every level.

We've a lunatic in the White House, who I fear, may not leave when the January 20th 2009 expiration date of his time in office arrives.

What are we to do?

You better wake the eff up people and stop playin'. You better act like you know and if you don't you had best ask, or is that axe, somebody.
All that is happening in our country is no joke...young folk you better get real serious and fageddaboud the bling-bling and get serious about gettin' your as in your own enterprise--preferably legit...get educated and be shrewd about yours. Stop clownin' in the home and in the classroom...

Be concerned about others, show compassion and respect for yourselves and to others and pray as well as watch out for yourselves and yours.

YouThinkWhat.com (http://youthinkwhat.com)

[ChildoftheKing]

:mad: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! wAS THE MARCH ALL IN VAIN!! WAS IT AFFECTIVE? WE MUST BOYCOTT POEOPLE AND STOP PLAYING AROUND. I AM SO SICK AND TIRED OF JUST TALKING ABOUT T. I KNEW SOME PEOPLE WERE GONNA GET BACK TO NORMAL AND NOT KICK UP DIRT! I AM TIRED OF OUR PEOPLE LOOKING LIKE A FOOL! IT'S TIME TO MARCH AND PROTEST ON EVERY COURTHOUSE AND CAPITAL STEPS. STOP PLAYING AND STAY FOCUSED. SHUT IT DOWN FOR REAL FOR REAL!!! IT'S TIME FOR FINACIAL BOYCOTT! MAKE BUST AND THEBLANCO FEEL IT BY OUR DOLLARS. DON'T SPEND NOTHING FOR 18 MOS. NO MOVIES, RSTAURANTS, MALLS AND SO FROTH. PEOPLE COME TOGETHER STRONG

[Blackman7]

So I guess since you are African American & know the white race that AIDs didn't originate in Africa.

The famed AIDS researcher, Dr. David Ho, said that doctors first observed the AIDS virus among HOMOSEXUAL males in California.

Only RACISTS like YOU would suggest that AIDS began in Africa.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art32382.html

Excerpt from "A Look Back at the History of AIDS in the U.S":

A Look Back at the History of AIDS in the U.S.

By David Salyer

June 2001
In the summer of 1981, an immunologist from Los Angeles and a dermatologist from New York reported some unusual findings in the Centers for Disease Control's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Their articles, published a month apart, hinted at a puzzling new syndrome affecting homosexual male patients that began showing up around 1979. These two doctors, as well as others in several large American cities with significant gay populations, observed the genesis of a new disease, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Twenty years ago AIDS was called "The Gay Plague," gay cancer, or GRID (gay-related immune disorder). Sadly, because AIDS was first detected in homosexual males, it was largely dismissed because gay men circa 1980 were viewed as dispensable. The medical community considered this a homosexual disease, neither fashionable nor prestigious, and consequently unworthy of serious attention. Our government at that time, topped by a staggeringly inept former B-movie actor named Ronald Reagan, was uninterested in anything beyond increased defense spending and domestic budget slashing. Reagan, in fact, did not utter a single public acknowledgment of AIDS until 1987. Not surprisingly, the news media ignored AIDS in the beginning, preferring instead to report less complex stories about such things as neglected toddlers who tumble down wells.

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So like I said, the WHITE RACE is responsible for HOMOSEXUALLY GENERATED STD'S such as AIDS.

[Blackman7]

Al Capone was Italian. But you knowing history like you do would know that. As anyone who has read history most of Italy is part Black due to the invasion of the moors & changed the dna of that country forever. Now is it just white people who have a develish mind?

The white race descended from Adam and Eve's wicked son, Cain, who murdered his brother, Abel. After the african Cain was kicked out of their homeland, in africa, he went to the land now called Europe, where he found his wife...a subhuman neanderthal. After they mated, the african Cain, and the sub-human neanderthal female, they concieved the first WHITE people. Animalistic, like their neanderthal ancestors, but less hairy and more intelligent, like their african father. Near the Caucasus mountains in Russia, began the WHITE RACE.

Speaking of DNA, it's been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that the white race descended from the neanderthals. If you ever want the link, for your convenience, I will post it for you.

[Blackman7]

You really have achieved the art of undressing them

Heather MacDonald and others like her are the DEVIL. Their job is to do nothing but LIE, falsely accuse others, and tell half truths.

[WaketheSleeper]

Yes, Heather - Jena, LA is one of many examples of the real problem concerning race in this country. And, because of people like you, in denial and insensitive to the concerns and problems of any group of people outside of your circle, this will continue to be a problem.

Do you not believe that Black Americans have the same hopes, dreams, and desires for our families and community as you do? Well, we do. We want safe communities, quality education for our children, the ability to be productive and provide for our selves, just like you do. Some of us make it, some of us don't.

But, I wonder where you would be today, if history were reversed and you and your ancestors were on the other side of slavery in this country? Or, if you were the recipients of some of the "fair and equitable" social, legal and educational policies you seem to feel we should be so happy with? I bet that's one of your worst nightmares, isn't it? Well, welcome to our world!

So, yes we will continue to make a big deal out of Jena, LA and any other situation that smells of racism because it does merit our energy and concern, whether you think so or not. How arrogant of you to trivalize the problems that most Black Americans have dealt with since our birth!

Peace to all lovers of man!

To the rest of y'all - be very careful, a soul is a terrible thing to waste. You only get one and it last forever - make sure you know where it's going when you leave here!

[LHutchenson]

Heather MacDonald and others like her are the DEVIL. Their job is to do nothing but LIE, falsely accuse others, and tell half truths.

Blackman7,
I appreciate your tenacity and your activity. Your approach provides a much needed spark of energy to this movement. Of course, the “politically correct” approach is always pushed as a necessary, but maybe that has been part of the problem over the last 40+ years since the Civil Rights Movement. We prospered when we demanded our respect, and not asked for it. We needed W.E.B. Dubois when we had Booker T. Washington and Malcolm X when we had Dr. Martin Luther King. Besides, how politically correct is it to continue to inflict so much HATE on black people, for no apparent reason but hate itself?

You have not provided a compromising account for any of the 700+ posts that you have shared, and you have supported your positions with facts from credible sources. I have also noticed how you have been shutting down those trying to get with you on this message board. Keep bringing the heat, Brother!

[darren]

Heather MacDonald and others like her are the DEVIL. Their job is to do nothing but LIE, falsely accuse others, and tell half truths.

Then you must be like her. When you post to something remotely important. That's all you post, is half truths.

[darren]

The white race descended from Adam and Eve's wicked son, Cain, who murdered his brother, Abel. After the african Cain was kicked out of the Garden of Eden, in africa, he went north to the land now called Europe, where he found his wife...a sub human neanderthal. After they mated, the african Cain, and the sub-human neanderthal female, they concieved the first WHITE people. Animalistic, like their neanderthal ancestors, but less hairy and more intelligent, like their african father. Near the Caucasus mountains in Russia, began the WHITE RACE.

Speaking of DNA, it's been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that the white race descended from the neanderthals. If you ever want the link, for your convenience, I will post it for you.


WOW all that from the Bible.Great. We have a lot in common.

[darren]

The famed AIDS researcher, Dr. David Ho, said that doctors first observed the AIDS virus among HOMOSEXUAL males in California.

Only RACISTS like YOU would suggest that AIDS began in Africa.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art32382.html

Excerpt from "A Look Back at the History of AIDS in the U.S":

A Look Back at the History of AIDS in the U.S.

By David Salyer

June 2001
In the summer of 1981, an immunologist from Los Angeles and a dermatologist from New York reported some unusual findings in the Centers for Disease Control's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Their articles, published a month apart, hinted at a puzzling new syndrome affecting homosexual male patients that began showing up around 1979. These two doctors, as well as others in several large American cities with significant gay populations, observed the genesis of a new disease, Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Twenty years ago AIDS was called "The Gay Plague," gay cancer, or GRID (gay-related immune disorder). Sadly, because AIDS was first detected in homosexual males, it was largely dismissed because gay men circa 1980 were viewed as dispensable. The medical community considered this a homosexual disease, neither fashionable nor prestigious, and consequently unworthy of serious attention. Our government at that time, topped by a staggeringly inept former B-movie actor named Ronald Reagan, was uninterested in anything beyond increased defense spending and domestic budget slashing. Reagan, in fact, did not utter a single public acknowledgment of AIDS until 1987. Not surprisingly, the news media ignored AIDS in the beginning, preferring instead to report less complex stories about such things as neglected toddlers who tumble down wells.

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So like I said, the WHITE RACE is responsible for HOMOSEXUALLY GENERATED STD'S such as AIDS.

I don't suggest that it came from Africa. It has been researched & proven to have come from Africa. I don't get information just off of the internet. Most times on any subject it is biased. I prefer to see & hear both sides of the story. That way I will have a more informed perspective.

[darren]

I do not have any facts on this matter, but I would bet that your view of the Rebel flags is not the consensus among all those who possess them. But personally, I am no more affected by the Rebel flag as you might be with Brothers wearing FUBU. Nevertheless, I see that you have been pretty active on the boards, and it’s good to add a white (?) perspective to these debates.

Yes I have been fairly active posting. I am White. You are right. As I stated in an earlier post that there are misguided & racist people who do have a Rebel Flag. I personally am not one of them.

I must say that it is nice to be able to post to some one who doesn't try and turn every post into something racially motivated. Thank You.

I first posted on here because Baisden didn't post the whole truth of the incidents here in Jena. I don't know where he got his information, I do know that Alan Bean ( Friends Of Justice ) was one of the first to publish the story & later admitted he intentionally reported mainly what would inflame racial tensions. That led to two of the biggest media/ racial propagandist so called civil rights activists to start stating defamatory & flagrant comments without doing any research or investigations into the incidents. Sharpton & Jackson.

These two to are mostly uninformed & don't want information about any incident as long as they can snag a head line or get a picture in the paper. Mainly on TV.

Again I want to thank you and being open minded. Thank You.

[LHutchenson]

Yes I have been fairly active posting. I am White. You are right. As I stated in an earlier post that there are misguided & racist people who do have a Rebel Flag. I personally am not one of them.

I must say that it is nice to be able to post to some one who doesn't try and turn every post into something racially motivated. Thank You.

I first posted on here because Baisden didn't post the whole truth of the incidents here in Jena. I don't know where he got his information, I do know that Alan Bean ( Friends Of Justice ) was one of the first to publish the story & later admitted he intentionally reported mainly what would inflame racial tensions. That led to two of the biggest media/ racial propagandist so called civil rights activists to start stating defamatory & flagrant comments without doing any research or investigations into the incidents. Sharpton & Jackson.

These two to are mostly uninformed & don't want information about any incident as long as they can snag a head line or get a picture in the paper. Mainly on TV.

Again I want to thank you and being open minded. Thank You.

Please note that we will never have 100 percent agreement on every topic, because we all (all Americans) are usually only given “half truths” by the media and public schools. But don’t think that you are receiving correspondence from closed minded black people. You are simply hearing from black people who are fed up with bigotry. Wouldn’t you prefer to hear the whole truth from the source, rather than the sterilized B.S. that only perpetuates stereotypes? As I mentioned before, it’s good to have a white perspective. But as long as you plan to correspond on this message board, be prepared to hear the black perspective.

Also, you have actually contradicted yourself. With the comment, “two of the biggest media/ racial propagandist so called civil rights activists,” there is no way you could have done your homework on that one. Reverend Jesse Jackson and Reverend Al Sharpton have been extremely active and positive for the black community for many years. When something goes wrong, they are among the first to show up, and the last to leave. They pressure those who have power, to exercise that power for justice and equality. That is not propaganda. That is positive social activism.

[Blackman7]

Blackman7,
I appreciate your tenacity and your activity. Your approach provides a much needed spark of energy to this movement. Of course, the “politically correct” approach is always pushed as a necessary, but maybe that has been part of the problem over the last 40+ years since the Civil Rights Movement. We prospered when we demanded our respect, and not asked for it. We needed W.E.B. Dubois when we had Booker T. Washington and Malcolm X when we had Dr. Martin Luther King. Besides, how politically correct is it to continue to inflict so much HATE on black people, for no apparent reason but hate itself?

You have not provided a compromising account for any of the 700+ posts that you have shared, and you have supported your positions with facts from credible sources. I have also noticed how you have been shutting down those trying to get with you on this message board. Keep bringing the heat, Brother!

Thank you. We must NEVER let the white man forget!!!!

[Blackman7]

Then you must be like her. When you post to something remotely important. That's all you post, is half truths.

You are entitled to your opinion, however, I can't expect much from a neanderthal mind.

[Blackman7]

WOW all that from the Bible.Great. We have a lot in common.
Yes, all of that IS "from the bible". The ability to percieve it takes intelligence:

If you know anything about the bible, you'd know that the Garden of Eden was located near ETHIOPIA. That is written in the book of Genesis.

Genesis 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

As modern anthropologists will now tell you, the FIRST HUMANS were from AFRICA, and since the Garden of Eden was located near Ethiopia, it's logical to assume that Adam and Eve were BLACK.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Now that we've got that understood, let's move on to Adam and Eve's sons, Cain and Abel. At the time of Abel's murder, they were the only human beings in the world. Cain murdered his brother, Abel, and was banished from their homeland, and although they were the ONLY humans on earth at that time, the bible says that Cain found a wife.

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since Adam, Eve, and Cain were the ONLY humans on earth at that time, the only LOGICAL assumption is that Cain married a NEANDERTHAL.

Many leading anthropologists now subscribe to the "Out Of Africa Theory", which provides further proof that the african Cain married a neanderthal.

Further scientific proof:

APRIL 16, 13:08 EDT

Ancient Skeleton Found in Portugal

By BARRY HATTON
Associated Press Writer

LISBON, Portugal (AP) ÷ Experts examining a 25,000-year-old child's skeleton in Portugal believe it represents compelling evidence that humans as we know them today evolved from mating between Neanderthals and anatomically modern man.

It is believed they coexisted on the Iberian Peninsula. Their hybrid offspring eventually evolved into what is recognized as modern man, the director of the Portuguese Archaeological Institute theorized Friday.

``Anatomically modern man arrived on what is now the Iberian peninsula 28,000 to 30,000 years ago and they found Neanderthal man here,'' Joao Zilhao said in a telephone interview.

``There are two theories about what happened. Some say the Neanderthal population was wiped out somehow, while anatomically modern man went on to evolve.

``But another view says there was an intermingling of the two, and the interpretation of this skeleton is that in fact there was significant hybridization,'' Zilhao said.

The hybrid thrived and is the genesis of modern man, according to Zilhao's theory. He said further research and finds will be required to back up his hypothesis.

Chris Stringer, an expert on Neanderthal man at the Museum of Natural History in London said he had few details of the find but expected it to make a ``major contribution'' to the debate on how the Neanderthals died out.

The hybridization theory has been difficult to prove because previously only fragments of skeletons have been found, Stringer said in a telephone interview.

He said current evidence was not enough to make him subscribe to the hybridization theory, but added he was ready to consider the Portuguese findings with an open mind.

``The Iberian peninsula is an area where there was a significant overlap in time and space between Neanderthal and modern man. They could have coexisted for as long as 10,000 years,'' he said.

The skeleton, believed to be of a four-year-old child, was discovered by chance in November in the Lapedo Valley near Leiria, 90 miles north of the Lisbon, the capital.

Known as the Child of Lapedo, the skeleton shows traits of modern man, including the jaw, teeth and spleen, and Neanderthal features like the size of the femur and tibia, according to Zilhao.

Carbon dating shows the skeleton is about 25,000 years old, Zilhao said.

Other evidence has shown that the Neanderthals and modern man coexisted in the area about 28,000 to 30,000 years ago.

Because the skeleton dates from 3,000 years later and displays strong anatomical features of both origins, Zilhao concludes that hybridization was very deep.

The skeleton is being studied at the National Archeological Museum in Lisbon.

[Blackman7]

I don't suggest that it came from Africa. It has been researched & proven to have come from Africa. I don't get information just off of the internet. Most times on any subject it is biased. I prefer to see & hear both sides of the story. That way I will have a more informed perspective.

So I guess YOU know more than AIDS researcher, Dr. David Ho, the man who FIRST recognized that HIV was a virus???

When trying to find facts, go to REPUTABLE SOURCES, instead of WHITE RACIST DEVILS, WHITE SUPREMISTS and KU KLUX KLANS!

You can't know much about AIDS research, if you're not familiar with Dr. David Ho.

To learn about Dr. Ho, just click on the following link:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19961230,00.html

(excerpt from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Research

Ho was one of the first scientists to propose that AIDS was caused by a virus although he had never been able to isolate HIV from an HIV+ person. Among an impressive list of seminal contributions to the field, he is perhaps most recognized for the elucidation of the dynamic nature of HIV replication in infected persons.[1] This basic understanding led Dr. Ho and his coworkers to champion combination antiretroviral therapy, including the use of protease inhibitors,[2] that has resulted in dramatic reductions in AIDS-associated mortality in developed countries since 1996. Dr. Ho continues to pursue therapeutic studies that attempt to eradicate HIV. In addition, his research team is now devoting considerable efforts to develop a vaccine to halt the spread of the AIDS epidemic.

Ho shifted his work from treating late in the illness to finding ways to fight the disease early on. Ho devised the method of treating HIV with "cocktails". He theorized that combining the powerful protease inhibitor drugs with other HIV medications would provide a more effective way to treat the disease.

Honors and titles

David Ho was TIME magazine's 1996 Man of the Year. TIME later recalled the selection surprised both Ho and readers, with one reader calling Ho "Dr. David Who?"[3] TIME acknowledged in 1996 that "Ho is not, to be sure, a household name. But some people make headlines while others make history."[3] Ho was even briefly mentioned when Alexander Fleming was considered for Person of the Century in 1999, since Fleming could be portrayed as representative of other scientists including Ho,[4] but the title ultimately went to Albert Einstein.

Dr. Ho has been elected as a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, Academia Sinica, and the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy. He is currently the scientific director and chief executive officer of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center and the Irene Diamond Professor at the Rockefeller University in New York.

On 2006-12-06, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and First Lady Maria Shriver inducted Dr. Ho into the California Hall of Fame located at The California Museum for History, Women, and the Arts.

[Blackman7]

The famed AIDS researcher, Dr. David Ho, said that doctors first observed the AIDS virus among HOMOSEXUAL males in California.

Only KNOWLEDGE can overcome ignorance.

[nl1975]

Read the article and post your comments!

Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Update: Heather MacDonald will be a guest on the Michael Baisden Show for Monday's Hot News

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.

So was Hurricane Katrina blown out of proportion too???? Why is it when black people want to stand up for injustice, there is always someone who says that we have it all wrong? I am pretty sure that Martin Luther King, Jr., Jesse Jackson, and Harriett Tubman had it all wrong too. I don't hear anyone saying that they overreacted, considering we are allowed to drink out of the same water foundation now!!!!! What is it about us, that we think that just because we get a few thousands back on our tax return, that it makes us the majority.

[Vaiton]

So was Hurricane Katrina blown out of proportion too???? Why is it when black people want to stand up for injustice, there is always someone who says that we have it all wrong? I am pretty sure that Martin Luther King, Jr., Jesse Jackson, and Harriett Tubman had it all wrong too. I don't hear anyone saying that they overreacted, considering we are allowed to drink out of the same water foundation now!!!!! What is it about us, that we think that just because we get a few thousands back on our tax return, that it makes us the majority.
Don't forget that MANY of them said that Martin Luther King had it all wrong. The only reason that some of them were willing to accept Rev King was because they were scared to death of Malcolm X, Huey Neuton, Elridge Cleaver, H Rap Brown and others.

[enpowermentnow]

Blackman7,
I appreciate your tenacity and your activity. Your approach provides a much needed spark of energy to this movement. Of course, the “politically correct” approach is always pushed as a necessary, but maybe that has been part of the problem over the last 40+ years since the Civil Rights Movement. We prospered when we demanded our respect, and not asked for it. We needed W.E.B. Dubois when we had Booker T. Washington and Malcolm X when we had Dr. Martin Luther King. Besides, how politically correct is it to continue to inflict so much HATE on black people, for no apparent reason but hate itself?

You have not provided a compromising account for any of the 700+ posts that you have shared, and you have supported your positions with facts from credible sources. I have also noticed how you have been shutting down those trying to get with you on this message board. Keep bringing the heat, Brother!


Blackman is the Black History Man!!

[darren]

Please note that we will never have 100 percent agreement on every topic, because we all (all Americans) are usually only given “half truths” by the media and public schools. But don’t think that you are receiving correspondence from closed minded black people. You are simply hearing from black people who are fed up with bigotry. Wouldn’t you prefer to hear the whole truth from the source, rather than the sterilized B.S. that only perpetuates stereotypes? As I mentioned before, it’s good to have a white perspective. But as long as you plan to correspond on this message board, be prepared to hear the black perspective.

Also, you have actually contradicted yourself. With the comment, “two of the biggest media/ racial propagandist so called civil rights activists,” there is no way you could have done your homework on that one. Reverend Jesse Jackson and Reverend Al Sharpton have been extremely active and positive for the black community for many years. When something goes wrong, they are among the first to show up, and the last to leave. They pressure those who have power, to exercise that power for justice and equality. That is not propaganda. That is positive social activism.

I will have to disagree with you on the point Sharpton & Jackson. I have done my homework on Sharpton these references on him are what brought me to the opinion of him. Tawana Brawley case, Crown Heights & Freddies Fashion Mart. These are just a few of his many attempts at being a civil rights activist. When I say that, What has he really acomplished other than getting a few radio and/or TV personalities fired? Other than that he doesn't produce much except to line his pockets with peoples hard earned money.

[darren]

Yes, all of that IS "from the bible". The ability to percieve it takes intelligence:

If you know anything about the bible, you'd know that the Garden of Eden was located near ETHIOPIA. That is written in the book of Genesis.

Genesis 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

As modern anthropologists will now tell you, the FIRST HUMANS were from AFRICA, and since the Garden of Eden was located near Ethiopia, it's logical to assume that Adam and Eve were BLACK.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Now that we've got that understood, let's move on to Adam and Eve's sons, Cain and Abel. At the time of Abel's murder, they were the only human beings in the world. Cain murdered his brother, Abel, and was banished from their homeland, and although they were the ONLY humans on earth at that time, the bible says that Cain found a wife.

Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Since Adam, Eve, and Cain were the ONLY humans on earth at that time, the only LOGICAL assumption is that Cain married a NEANDERTHAL.

Many leading anthropologists now subscribe to the "Out Of Africa Theory", which provides further proof that the african Cain married a neanderthal.

Further scientific proof:

APRIL 16, 13:08 EDT

Ancient Skeleton Found in Portugal

By BARRY HATTON
Associated Press Writer

LISBON, Portugal (AP) ÷ Experts examining a 25,000-year-old child's skeleton in Portugal believe it represents compelling evidence that humans as we know them today evolved from mating between Neanderthals and anatomically modern man.

It is believed they coexisted on the Iberian Peninsula. Their hybrid offspring eventually evolved into what is recognized as modern man, the director of the Portuguese Archaeological Institute theorized Friday.

``Anatomically modern man arrived on what is now the Iberian peninsula 28,000 to 30,000 years ago and they found Neanderthal man here,'' Joao Zilhao said in a telephone interview.

``There are two theories about what happened. Some say the Neanderthal population was wiped out somehow, while anatomically modern man went on to evolve.

``But another view says there was an intermingling of the two, and the interpretation of this skeleton is that in fact there was significant hybridization,'' Zilhao said.

The hybrid thrived and is the genesis of modern man, according to Zilhao's theory. He said further research and finds will be required to back up his hypothesis.

Chris Stringer, an expert on Neanderthal man at the Museum of Natural History in London said he had few details of the find but expected it to make a ``major contribution'' to the debate on how the Neanderthals died out.

The hybridization theory has been difficult to prove because previously only fragments of skeletons have been found, Stringer said in a telephone interview.

He said current evidence was not enough to make him subscribe to the hybridization theory, but added he was ready to consider the Portuguese findings with an open mind.

``The Iberian peninsula is an area where there was a significant overlap in time and space between Neanderthal and modern man. They could have coexisted for as long as 10,000 years,'' he said.

The skeleton, believed to be of a four-year-old child, was discovered by chance in November in the Lapedo Valley near Leiria, 90 miles north of the Lisbon, the capital.

Known as the Child of Lapedo, the skeleton shows traits of modern man, including the jaw, teeth and spleen, and Neanderthal features like the size of the femur and tibia, according to Zilhao.

Carbon dating shows the skeleton is about 25,000 years old, Zilhao said.

Other evidence has shown that the Neanderthals and modern man coexisted in the area about 28,000 to 30,000 years ago.

Because the skeleton dates from 3,000 years later and displays strong anatomical features of both origins, Zilhao concludes that hybridization was very deep.

The skeleton is being studied at the National Archeological Museum in Lisbon.

Like I said half truths. Read Genesis Chapter 2 verses 10-14. Only one river goes out of the Garden of Eden. From there it parted into 4 heads. One Pi'son compassed the land of Havilah. The second Gihon sompassed Ethiopia. The third Hiddekel went east toward Assyria. The fourth is the Euphrates. That would be why there is so much debate among Bible scholars about the Tigris & Euphrates.

Also Science really pushes the bang theory & man came from monkies. You know evolution.

[darren]

So I guess YOU know more than AIDS researcher, Dr. David Ho, the man who FIRST recognized that HIV was a virus???

When trying to find facts, go to REPUTABLE SOURCES, instead of WHITE RACIST DEVILS, WHITE SUPREMISTS and KU KLUX KLANS!

You can't know much about AIDS research, if you're not familiar with Dr. David Ho.

To learn about Dr. Ho, just click on the following link:

http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19961230,00.html

(excerpt from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Research

Ho was one of the first scientists to propose that AIDS was caused by a virus although he had never been able to isolate HIV from an HIV+ person. Among an impressive list of seminal contributions to the field, he is perhaps most recognized for the elucidation of the dynamic nature of HIV replication in infected persons.[1] This basic understanding led Dr. Ho and his coworkers to champion combination antiretroviral therapy, including the use of protease inhibitors,[2] that has resulted in dramatic reductions in AIDS-associated mortality in developed countries since 1996. Dr. Ho continues to pursue therapeutic studies that attempt to eradicate HIV. In addition, his research team is now devoting considerable efforts to develop a vaccine to halt the spread of the AIDS epidemic.

Ho shifted his work from treating late in the illness to finding ways to fight the disease early on. Ho devised the method of treating HIV with "cocktails". He theorized that combining the powerful protease inhibitor drugs with other HIV medications would provide a more effective way to treat the disease.

Honors and titles

David Ho was TIME magazine's 1996 Man of the Year. TIME later recalled the selection surprised both Ho and readers, with one reader calling Ho "Dr. David Who?"[3] TIME acknowledged in 1996 that "Ho is not, to be sure, a household name. But some people make headlines while others make history."[3] Ho was even briefly mentioned when Alexander Fleming was considered for Person of the Century in 1999, since Fleming could be portrayed as representative of other scientists including Ho,[4] but the title ultimately went to Albert Einstein.

Dr. Ho has been elected as a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, Academia Sinica, and the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy. He is currently the scientific director and chief executive officer of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center and the Irene Diamond Professor at the Rockefeller University in New York.

On 2006-12-06, California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and First Lady Maria Shriver inducted Dr. Ho into the California Hall of Fame located at The California Museum for History, Women, and the Arts.


And this is the only evidence you have? A lot of your posts have valid proof, But about your claim the White people invented it does not hold water. Where are the names of other researchers & doctors who have verified these claims you have made?

[darren]

You are entitled to your opinion, however, I can't expect much from a neanderthal mind.


I never asked for you to expect anything. As I don't expect anything from you. It is rather nice to talk with you.

[soulfuel2]

I don't know the experience of the writer of this passage.
But it is obvious,That the writings, come from someone
That dosen't acknowledge the history of this world.
Inorder for something to be learned, It has to be taught.
The misconception that people of color act differently
then that of thier counterparts. Means somone is not doing thier homework
You can only eat what food you can catch.
Even the mightiest of hunters has to adjust to what's availlable
And If all that is availlable is dope, depression & despair.
And The word positive is a fantasy only whispered in the air.
And If you think this is a cop out.
Then find a dope spot on every block in your community
Like we do over here.

soulfuel

[Gaia]

Black People, don’t be fooled by useless statistics. The author of this article has cited that blacks need to focus on and fix the fact that we have a disproportionately higher crime rate than whites. I wonder if she realizes that she has simultaneously argued and contradicted herself within this work. She explains to us that Jena, LA is not an anomaly in regards to racism. With her rhetorical question of whether or not Jena, LA is the microcosm of racism, she correctly, though maybe accidentally, implies that institutional discrimination and racism are happening everywhere in America. But if we look at just one of the many incidents surrounding the Jena 6 case, a white male confronted three black youths with a shotgun at a convenience store. To protect themselves, the youths disarmed their attacker. Although witnesses confirm these events, the white assailant was not charged with Brandishing a Firearm or Aggravated Assault for the threat of bodily harm. Yet, the three black youths were charged with Theft of Property. If this is happening everywhere (also evident in the many posts on the “Hot News” thread), how in the [world] would anyone ever expect the white crime rate to be equal to or higher than blacks? Were they really supposed to give the shotgun back to their attacker?

I’m sure everyone agrees that there are some opportunities for improvement in the black community. Guess what? There are quite a few things in the white “back yard” that also needs some attention. I would love to see some accurate research on what is really going on in this country. So for those of you (black, white or other) still playing the blame game, SHOW SOME CONSISTENCY PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is a great assessment and to piggyback on your analysis of misleading statistics, I would argue that the notion of non-white, blacks in particular, being overly represented in criminal behavior deserves a closer examination. As of today, the census bureau reports the population of this country is 303,118,761 and blacks make up approximately 12.9% or 13% (roughly 37.6 million people) compared to 81.1 % (roughly 245.8 million people) for whites. Now when we discuss any topic indicators (e.g. economic, crime or poverty), it should become apparent that it only takes a few blacks to engage in any behavior to inflame or embellish the numbers—beware of the interpretations or implications set forth by anyone basing their truths on numbers. To put it simply, we must remain diligent and critical thinkers when information is presented to us—we must always look at who is delivering the information, what personal stake they hold in the distribution of the data and what personal biases they may have. The greatest misuse of research data relative to shaping the image of black people I believe is disregarding what effect greater numbers could hold in terms of empowering the black community. Hypothetically speaking, if the black community constituted 45% of this country’s population, you would be looking a totally different distribution of political, social and most likely economic power—there’s power in numbers. To follow this logic to end, one would come to the conclusion that we would have the means to demand a platform for our issues to be heard and addressed as politicians would have to court our community to get into office. The underrepresentation of blacks in this country along with limited access to social and political capital is a greater indicator of what plagues the black community than the perceived notion of an inherent pathology of poverty and crime ascribed to our communities. We must always question and think beyond what we are told—what is not said can sometime be more important than the obvious. Thinking hurts sometime, but it is very necessary.

[Gaia]

I will have to disagree with you on the point Sharpton & Jackson. I have done my homework on Sharpton these references on him are what brought me to the opinion of him. Tawana Brawley case, Crown Heights & Freddies Fashion Mart. These are just a few of his many attempts at being a civil rights activist. When I say that, What has he really acomplished other than getting a few radio and/or TV personalities fired? Other than that he doesn't produce much except to line his pockets with peoples hard earned money.


Hey Darren. I am a great lover of history b/c it has a lot to teach us if we are truly interested in engaging in self-assessment for the purpose of personal growth as a people, and the historical truths we (the country) recite are usually laced with biases. To quote one of my professors, “you are entitled to your own truth, but not your own facts”. To put it frankly, I had to chime in on the historical place of Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton in not only black history but American history. To begin with, I asked what’s in your wallet, how long have you being an active member of any movement to empower the disenfranchised? Where were you when they were burning down the houses of protestors trying to gain support for what we know today as the Civil Rights Act? How many times has your life or the life of your loved-ones been threatened b/c you chose to rally for equality? How many marches did you participate in with Dr. Martin Luther King where you had dogs let loose on you or you were spat upon? I am questioning not your right to engage in critical analysis, I calling to play your credentials. There are typically two groups of people in this country, those that do and those that don’t. Personally, I must admit I am among those that don’t at this time, b/c I have not put my life and limb on the line—courage and sacrifice are traits that must be fostered in humanity. The thought of death and bodily harm leaves me a bit shaken to be honest and like most people I seek safety. The brave, conscientious, and lovers of humanity usually pave the way for those of us sitting on the sideline critiquing. Once again, what’s in your wallet? If we were to send out a call across this country asking anyone and everyone to come forward to attest to your sacrifices on behalf of humanity—what would that number look like? One, two, a dozen, or several thousands? This is my challenge to anyone attempting to minimize the sacrifices made by any social activist. You asked the question, what have these men done other than line their pockets with the hard earned money of other people—if you are truly interested there are countless sources I would gladly offer to set you on the right path. It may not be apparent to you, but there is a reason that the black community calls on these two men in the time of trouble and that in itself reinforces their credentials. Meanwhile, you can check your wallet and get back to me. I look forward to future communications.

[Blackman7]

Like I said half truths. Read Genesis Chapter 2 verses 10-14. Only one river goes out of the Garden of Eden. From there it parted into 4 heads. One Pi'son compassed the land of Havilah. The second Gihon sompassed Ethiopia. The third Hiddekel went east toward Assyria. The fourth is the Euphrates. That would be why there is so much debate among Bible scholars about the Tigris & Euphrates.

Also Science really pushes the bang theory & man came from monkies. You know evolution.

It has never been proven that humans evolved from monkeys, but I provided you with SCIENTIFIC PROOF that caucasions descended from Neanderthals. Many modern anthropologists agree that the first humans came from AFRICA, and Genesis 2:13 correctly places the Garden of Eden near there.

[Blackman7]

And this is the only evidence you have? A lot of your posts have valid proof, But about your claim the White people invented it does not hold water. Where are the names of other researchers & doctors who have verified these claims you have made?

Who are the biggest perverts, homosexuals, and serial killers???

WHITE MEN.

That's why the white race is going AGAINST GOD and supporting homosexuals today!

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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As far as AIDS researchers, none is more knowledgeable about AIDS than Dr. David Ho, but since you would rather listen to klansmen and white supremists, believe what you want to believe.

[waylen38]

Funny how she points out the fact that blacks supposidely commit more violent crimes, but does not point out the fact that whites are never punished as severly for the same crime.If a black man kills a white man he may get life in jail or worse, and so deserving. But, in reverse will not merit the same punishment???Nor does she point out that while there are more white drug addicts and people on welfare the media has always made it seem as if it is the blacks whom are the majority. I QUESTION YOUR SINCERITY.

[barbaraoe]

I am not sure whether the writer of this article is Black or White, nor do I care. She like so many like-minded Americans once again refuse to accept responsibility for racism inflicted upon the Black community. I am a civil and political rights activist whom marched and rallied in the 60s and 70s and I can tell you that racism did not disappear. It became more institutionized. I have long known that our Black young men are being locked up at alarming rates and this is systematic of the White initiated practice of racism. No reasonable Black person is saying that our youth should not be locked up for their crimes, however when the sentencing is disproportionate to the crime, there is a problem. If this writer is White, then you are a racist. If you are Black, then you are a confused Black person. If you are Black, I would like to see what happens when you step over the line, and believe me, there is one, and we will see if you are back to being a N-----. The Black community is very concerned about the crime wave happening here. With Whites controlling every institution, the inadequate educational systems in our communities and the fathers of these children locked away in jails, what do you expect. All of these problems began with White initiated racism and it bewilders me that after all of this time, Whites do not want to take responsibility for the damage they have done. However, racism is ignorant, so many racists cannot understand what they are doing wrong. Do not dare comment on all of the opportunities which are given to Blacks, because as an educated Black female, I can tell you that racism is alive and well in the schools and in the workplace. What excuse do you can you give me to answer why I would be supervised by a White high school graduate? I have more work experience and possess two BS degrees. Don't try to ease your conscious, racism as Albert Einstein once stated is America's greatest disease, it is the White people's disease. We, the Black community have been infected with this disease and now people like you want to holler because we refuse to die. We have been dormant long enough, your racist minds have the nerve to go into the schools and snatch our children out and you think we are not going to protest. Forget about it. You are getting ready to hear us loud and clear. As for the crime in our neighborhoods, be happy you have not become a victim. This is an issue that only we can address. Then because Whites control the media, I am almost positive that your statistics are inflated. I advise every Black person I know not to rely on White media because it will always portrays our problems as massive. People like you disgust me. You really need to find something else to write about, because you are not an expert whom is able to analyze the Black community.

[msblkwidow]

Typical racist propoganda....

First of all, Heather Mac Donald failed to include thew GREATEST ARMED ROBBERY IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!!!!!

The white man coming over here and MURDERING MILLIONS OF NATIVES and STEALING THEIR LAND!!!

She doesn't consider THAT a CRIME!!!!

As long as the WHITE MAN kills and robs other races, then to Heather Mac Donald and others like her, it's fine and legal, but when the descendants of their enslaved hostages do the SAME things as their WHITE MASTERS (on a much smaller scale), then she calls THAT a "crime"!

I'd like to ask Heater Mac Donald this question, "If a man should be punished for breaking into a house and stealing the owner's possessions, what punishment should the WHITE RACE recieve for STEALING AN ENTIRE CONTINENT and killing MILLIONS of INDIANS???"

Yes, i've dealt with racists like Heather Mac Donald before. Her name sounds like british or Scot Irish...white supremists either way.

When my children were young, I taught them about African Slavery; but I also felt it necessary to teach them about the First Americans' "Trail of Tears". My children learned at an early age that many Caucasians even felt superior to people of their own color - The Holocaust!

I've heard so many times from Caucasians that it was their ancestors who committed these atrocities; and we should forget about it and move on. I say that we should never forget that behavior, and we should teach our children about our history because it's so easy for history to repeat itself.

I remember reading about the Great Oklahoma Land Rush on April 22, 1889; and the California Gold Rush in 1849. These two events are just two events that we, as African Americans miss out on. There are many Caucasian families that have what they have at others expense (Slavery, Trail of Tears). While travelling from state to state in my car, I often think about land claims that were purchased for a little or no money while First Americans (so-called Native Americans) lived on Reservations.

It's all wrong. So when Caucasian people say, "It's not my fault. My ancestors did that to your people. I'm not to blame." I simply smile because that means, to me, that they are not willing to make a change. We don't need hand-outs. We want a level playing field -starting with top quality schools and educators.

Lastly, I would be willing to bet you that if those African American boys, girls, men, and women -who are now incarcerated- were given IQ tests, many would score high to superior intelligence.

What we see happening to our people is by design, and we are the only ones who can stop it!

[msblkwidow]

Maybe the person made that comment because the southerners seemed more intent and adamant of keeping slavery down in the south as opposed to the other regions of the US.

or, maybe it's because he is so passionate about this topic that his thought were rambling (as mine do sometimes); and you just want to get it all out really fast. I'm sure he understands where African slavery began.

[msblkwidow]

CHANGE YOUR NAME TO BLACK HISTORY.....I WILL NEVER FORGET THESE INCIDENTS....PROFF THAT GIVEN A CHANCE...WE WILL PROSPER.......I ALSO REMEMBER MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, CLEANERS, BANKS, ACCOUNTANTS, LAUNDROMAT, SOUL FOOD RESTURANT, ALL BLACK OWNED. NOW ALL HINDU OWNED ITS A DISGRACE. MY OLD HOOD LOOKS LIKE BEIRUT LEBANON:(
My family and I were just discussing this same thought today. It's amazing. Our eyes have been closed, or we blinked, and it appears as if we're living in another country. And one better than this, we noticed that many of these businesses are located strategically in African American neighborhoods. I live in St. Louis, Missouri mid-city area. We can not find any of these businesses in our very affluent county areas like Clayton and Ladue or Berington Down. I wonder - why not? We had a Middle-Eastern owned resturant opened in the middle of our neighborhood. They served Falafal [sp]. Sorry, no customers. So they changed their menu to Chicken and added a couple of African Americans to serve customers. Still, no customers. The business finally closed.

[waylen38]

Heather MacDonoald titles her article "Don't make Jena out to be more than it is--". But, that's just it.We are not. We are acknowledging it for just what it is. Flat out racism.And it was dealt with in an intelligent manner.

[SirNoseDevo]

I am not sure whether the writer of this article is Black or White, nor do I care. She like so many like-minded Americans once again refuse to accept responsibility for racism inflicted upon the Black community. I am a civil and political rights activist whom marched and rallied in the 60s and 70s and I can tell you that racism did not disappear. It became more institutionized. I have long known that our Black young men are being locked up at alarming rates and this is systematic of the White initiated practice of racism. No reasonable Black person is saying that our youth should not be locked up for their crimes, however when the sentencing is disproportionate to the crime, there is a problem. If this writer is White, then you are a racist. If you are Black, then you are a confused Black person. If you are Black, I would like to see what happens when you step over the line, and believe me, there is one, and we will see if you are back to being a N-----. The Black community is very concerned about the crime wave happening here. With Whites controlling every institution, the inadequate educational systems in our communities and the fathers of these children locked away in jails, what do you expect. All of these problems began with White initiated racism and it bewilders me that after all of this time, Whites do not want to take responsibility for the damage they have done. However, racism is ignorant, so many racists cannot understand what they are doing wrong. Do not dare comment on all of the opportunities which are given to Blacks, because as an educated Black female, I can tell you that racism is alive and well in the schools and in the workplace. What excuse do you can you give me to answer why I would be supervised by a White high school graduate? I have more work experience and possess two BS degrees. Don't try to ease your conscious, racism as Albert Einstein once stated is America's greatest disease, it is the White people's disease. We, the Black community have been infected with this disease and now people like you want to holler because we refuse to die. We have been dormant long enough, your racist minds have the nerve to go into the schools and snatch our children out and you think we are not going to protest. Forget about it. You are getting ready to hear us loud and clear. As for the crime in our neighborhoods, be happy you have not become a victim. This is an issue that only we can address. Then because Whites control the media, I am almost positive that your statistics are inflated. I advise every Black person I know not to rely on White media because it will always portrays our problems as massive. People like you disgust me. You really need to find something else to write about, because you are not an expert whom is able to analyze the Black community.

Anytime you want to dis-grace us Black Brothers you need to
turn what's left of your activist card in or tear it up. You all
wants to know what really gets to me? Its when our so-called
Blacks become House Negros. One minute they are bashing
Black mens, and the next minute they are blasting Whites.

The White man's system is out to try to destory us (Black men),
and what they are doing is turning our own Sisters againsted us
Right Barbaraoe?

Whites can't control no more then we allow them to control in
our Black Communities of America. That goes for our Homes,our
Children,Our personal lives, and whatever else we have.
In Closing we must be careful of sellouts in our communities.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

[darren]

It has never been proven that humans evolved from monkeys, but I provided you with SCIENTIFIC PROOF that caucasions descended from Neanderthals. Many modern anthropologists agree that the first humans came from AFRICA, and Genesis 2:13 correctly places the Garden of Eden near there.


I don't see your proof. I have a hard time believing scientists. Also what do scientist tell you about where neanderthals come from?
Also your science & bible quotes contradict each other. The only evidence you have put forth is about one river when actually there was one that came out of Eden and divided into four heads.

I would like to ask you this, If Cain was an African & he had a neanderthal wife and had caucasion offspring, Where did the Black race come from? Don't read more into this question than what it is. There is nothing negative in the question about the Black race. I just want to hear more of your biblical & science contradictions.

[darren]

Who are the biggest perverts, homosexuals, and serial killers???

WHITE MEN.

That's why the white race is going AGAINST GOD and supporting homosexuals today!

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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As far as AIDS researchers, none is more knowledgeable about AIDS than Dr. David Ho, but since you would rather listen to klansmen and white supremists, believe what you want to believe.

So according to you the Black race has no homosexuals? Also you insist on contradicting yourself. If I did listen to the Klan & White Supremists I would not even acknowledge the homosexuals but call for them to be exterminated. Also Al Sharpton is a self proclaimed Gay Rights Activist.

I believe more of what I read and very little of what I here. But as far what you right I believe even less because you can not put forth any justifiable proof.

[enpowermentnow]

My family and I were just discussing this same thought today. It's amazing. Our eyes have been closed, or we blinked, and it appears as if we're living in another country. And one better than this, we noticed that many of these businesses are located strategically in African American neighborhoods. I live in St. Louis, Missouri mid-city area. We can not find any of these businesses in our very affluent county areas like Clayton and Ladue or Berington Down. I wonder - why not? We had a Middle-Eastern owned resturant opened in the middle of our neighborhood. They served Falafal [sp]. Sorry, no customers. So they changed their menu to Chicken and added a couple of African Americans to serve customers. Still, no customers. The business finally closed.

In addition, our teachers and parents usually belonged to the same church. You could not get away with anything. All the businesses I named in the above carefully watched as we walked home from school. Now its just trash,
bums, poverty, and Hindu's. How did it happen? I have a theory I think it was too many individuals in our neighborhood graduating college. For ever vacant lot they built low income housing. Home ownership was a big step from living in the projects, however, they did not change their lifestyle some blacks folk were proud and some just did not care, so if you had money you moved out. Its almost just like black wall street a memory. Furthermore, if the man is so worried about terrorist why is there foreign owned gas stations not even a mile apart? In a 360 degree radius.

[ssjup81]

You are entitled to your opinion, however, I can't expect much from a neanderthal mind.I was always under the impression that the early man was from Africa? If you're saying that Cain married a Neanderthal, are you not pretty much saying that blacks are descended from monkeys? And what about Seth? The other child that Adam and Eve had who went out and found a wife and had children (sons and daughters)? Seth was a "good child", so to speak, compared to Cain.

IMO, the bible in general contradicts itself. The earth, supposedly, only had Adam and Eve, and yet Cain was able to go out and marry someone. Then again...it did say that Adam "begat sons and daughters"...and the same applied to Seth. IMO, the only "logical" explanation is inbreeding.

Also, something else...after the great flood, Noah's family (his sons) had wives, right? They gave birth to children, but if all the humans of the world were killed in the flood, accept for Noah's family, who did Noah's grandchildren marry and have families with?So according to you the Black race has no homosexuals? Also you insist on contradicting yourself.Sounds like that Iranian guy who said that "homosexuality" was an "American problem". Of course, when hearing this, I was like, "How can anyone say something so ignorant?" Gay people are everywhere.

To be honest, Blackman7 seems to break a prime rule in the bible...the one about judging and such and the one dealing with hating. IMO, we are all god's creatures. He created us all. We are all supposed to be made in his image. God created man, and he just so happened to create a homosexual/lesbian, oh well. I know some people go on about how being gay is a choice. I honestly don't believe that crap for one moment. I couldn't see anyone choosing a lifestyle that most people (close-minded ones) are truly against or condemns. It has to be something dealing with one's genetic makeup...maybe a male has an extra y chromosome or a female has an extra x chromosome or something which has them attracted to the same gender.

This is the main problem I have with some "Christians". They don't practice what they preach. I don't see how any "Christian" can go around and judge or hate anyone or any group of people or act as if they're better than others just because they can quote the bible word-for-word. I can see disliking what a person does (naturally and understandable) but not actually hating the person or condemning a person or a group. Overall, regardless, you're supposed to treat people the way you would want to be treated. If Jesus can defend those like Mary Magdalene (sp?) and forgive criminals during his crucification (showing that he doesn't judge), then I don't see why "Christians" can't do the same.

[Blackman7]

I don't see your proof.

If a fool be associated with a wise man, even all his life, he will percieve the truth as little as a spoon percieves the taste of food; if an intelligent man be associated for one minute only with a wise man, he will soon percieve the truth as the tongue percieves the taste of soup.---Hindu proverb


Also what do scientist tell you about where neanderthals come from?

It doesn't matter. What matters is that Cain married a Neanderthal.


Also your science & bible quotes contradict each other. The only evidence you have put forth is about one river when actually there was one that came out of Eden and divided into four heads.

Where exactly, does "my science and bible quotes contradict each other?" Like a typical white devil, you're making accusations without stating facts.

I would like to ask you this, If Cain was an African & he had a neanderthal wife and had caucasion offspring, Where did the Black race come from? Don't read more into this question than what it is. There is nothing negative in the question about the Black race. I just want to hear more of your biblical & science contradictions.

Again, I have made no "biblical & science contradictions".

Only the WISEST of men can understand.

Adam and Eve were black. After Cain and Abel, they had more sons and daughters. (Gen. 5:4)

Thus, what modern anthropologists call the "Out Of Africa Theory" began.

[Blackman7]

So according to you the Black race has no homosexuals?

Everything that blacks do wrong in this country, they learned from the white man.

The master influences the slave.

Also you insist on contradicting yourself. If I did listen to the Klan & White Supremists I would not even acknowledge the homosexuals but call for them to be exterminated.

You insist on being IGNORANT. There are MANY homosexual white supremists, like Republican Senator Larry Craig in this land. (Senator Craig voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals (May 1994) and voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995).


I believe more of what I read and very little of what I here. But as far what you right I believe even less because you can not put forth any justifiable proof.

I've put forth proof, it's just that you were unable to comprehend it.

Only the WISEST of people can understand!

[Blackman7]

I was always under the impression that the early man was from Africa? If you're saying that Cain married a Neanderthal, are you not pretty much saying that blacks are descended from monkeys?

No, blacks descended from Adam and Eve, who were black.


And what about Seth? The other child that Adam and Eve had who went out and found a wife and had children (sons and daughters)? Seth was a "good child", so to speak, compared to Cain.

It was possibly inbreeding. It was the BEGINNING OF THE HUMAN RACE!

WHO KNOWS???

IMO, the bible in general contradicts itself. The earth, supposedly, only had Adam and Eve, and yet Cain was able to go out and marry someone. Then again...it did say that Adam "begat sons and daughters"...and the same applied to Seth. IMO, the only "logical" explanation is inbreeding.

The bible doesn't "contradict" itself. You just can't comprehend it.

Only the WISEST of black men can understand! :)

The only LOGICAL explanation is that Cain married a Neanderthal, since at the time of Abel's murder, there was only he, Adam, and Eve in the land.


Sounds like that Iranian guy who said that "homosexuality" was an "American problem". Of course, when hearing this, I was like, "How can anyone say something so ignorant?" Gay people are everywhere.

"Gay people are everywhere" AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. It's an IGNORANT PERSON who thinks they know everything!

To know what you know and to know what you do not know, is characteristic of one who knows.----Lao Tse

To be honest, Blackman7 seems to break a prime rule in the bible...the one about judging and such and the one dealing with hating.

I'm not "judging" or "hating" ANYONE. I'm just quoting the scripture and posting what the bible says.

IMO, we are all god's creatures. He created us all. We are all supposed to be made in his image. God created man, and he just so happened to create a homosexual/lesbian, oh well. I know some people go on about how being gay is a choice. I honestly don't believe that crap for one moment. I couldn't see anyone choosing a lifestyle that most people (close-minded ones) are truly against or condemns. It has to be something dealing with one's genetic makeup...maybe a male has an extra y chromosome or a female has an extra x chromosome or something which has them attracted to the same gender.

So I guess you believe that RAPISTS, SERIAL KILLERS, and CHILD MOLESTORS were also "born that way"??? I guess you likewise, couldn't see THEM choosing a "lifestyle" that "closed minded" people condemn. You need to stop listening to the WHITE MAN and start listening to GOD.

This is the main problem I have with some "Christians". They don't practice what they preach. I don't see how any "Christian" can go around and judge or hate anyone or any group of people or act as if they're better than others just because they can quote the bible word-for-word. I can see disliking what a person does (naturally and understandable) but not actually hating the person or condemning a person or a group. Overall, regardless, you're supposed to treat people the way you would want to be treated. If Jesus can defend those like Mary Magdalene (sp?) and forgive criminals during his crucification (showing that he doesn't judge), then I don't see why "Christians" can't do the same.

Then the next time a rapist or serial killer comes to your door, just let em' in!

[barbaraoe]

I, in no way dis Black men. I love my Black brothers. What I have found is that you are a fraud. You are a jackass and an idiot. You do not have to respond to this message because this will be the last time I address you. You do not deserve a response.

[ssjup81]

No, blacks descended from Adam and Eve, who were black.And Cain is a descendant of Adam and Eve because he's their son.It was possibly inbreeding. It was the BEGINNING OF THE HUMAN RACE!

WHO KNOWS???Yeah, pretty much.The bible doesn't "contradict" itself. You just can't comprehend it.Actually, it does. How can Noah's grandkids multiply if there's no one to multiply with? Also, why is there a big gap in Jesus's travels in the bible?Only the WISEST of black men can understand! :) Show me a wise man, and I'll agree.:p The only LOGICAL explanation is that Cain married a Neanderthal, since at the time of Abel's murder, there was only he, Adam, and Eve in the land.Actually, it never said when Cain settled down, just that he did. The same applies to the others I mentioned too."Gay people are everywhere" AS FAR AS YOU KNOW. It's an IGNORANT PERSON who thinks they know everything!God created all of us. We, as Christians, are not supposed to be judgmental and such. You definitely are. If a person is born gay, the god made him/her that way. For all we know, it could be god's way of keeping our population rate from getting too out of control, and to help orphan children. There's a reason for everything.I'm not "judging" or "hating" ANYONE."The white man is evil"..."The white man can't be trusted"...I'd call that hating and passing judgment.So I guess you believe that RAPISTS, SERIAL KILLERS, and CHILD MOLESTORS were also "born that way"???Actually, I do, because it's not "normal". I usually constitute as being something wrong with these people mentally, especially where rapists and child molestors are concerned. I hate what they do, but there's a reason for their actions, unless they show no remorse for what they did, then it's obviously not a mental issue.I guess you likewise, couldn't see THEM choosing a "lifestyle" that "closed minded" people condemn.Murdering and such is a whole different level and not even applicable here, as to what I'm referring to, doesn't hurt or harm anyone. Use the common sense god gave you.You need to stop listening to the WHITE MAN and start listening to GOD.Wow, so "common sense" was given to me by the white man? You technically just complimented the white man.Then the next time a rapist or serial killer comes to your door, just let em' in!This is a very stupid comment, which is loaded with sarcasm. No sane person would let a killer into his/her home if he/she knew it.

[SirNoseDevo]

I, in no way dis Black men. I love my Black brothers. What I have found is that you are a fraud. You are a jackass and an idiot. You do not have to respond to this message because this will be the last time I address you. You do not deserve a response.

Its always a good feeling to know that our Black Sisters still love us.
Barbara, No No Sister, stand up for what YOU believe in, and NEVER
back down or off from anything that can be corrected. Also, remember
that we still have some house negros in today's society, and many of
us Black Brothers need support from our Black women (I am NOT just
talking from the financial standpoint).

Another major problem here on the internet one do not know the race
of one, but always read the typing closely, and common sense will
tune in to the fake or wannabe Blacks. Myself, I am as real as real can
get, due to the fact that being real is my mission on this earth, and I
have NO time to be a fake.

Sir Nose D.V of Funk

[ssjup81]

Its always a good feeling to know that our Black Sisters still love us.
Barbara, No No Sister, stand up for what YOU believe in, and NEVER
back down or off from anything that can be corrected. Also, remember
that we still have some house negros in today's society, and many of
us Black Brothers need support from our Black women (I am NOT just
talking from the financial standpoint).To be perfectly honest, I sort of dislike that. A "wannabe black". Seriously, what constitutes one being black and one not being black? Last time I looked, I was, but, since I'm not a big fan of stuff that stereotypically appeals to "black audiences", like to read, study, prefer orchestral music or rock music or techno or trance or Japanese and Spanish music, to rap/hip-hop/R&B, wanting to broaden my horizons, never had a romantic interest in a black guy (white either, ironically lol), because I haven't come across one I was attracted to, and remember, for me, my main turn on is "intelligence", not guys of any race going around acting all thuggish, etc., I get flack for it sometimes. I hate the fact that some of the stuff I listed is "acting white". I hate the fact that there's some rule as to who's considered black and who isn't.

[enpowermentnow]

To be perfectly honest, I sort of dislike that. A "wannabe black". Seriously, what constitutes one being black and one not being black? Last time I looked, I was, but, since I'm not a big fan of stuff that stereotypically appeals to "black audiences", like to read, study, prefer orchestral music or rock music or techno or trance or Japanese and Spanish music, to rap/hip-hop/R&B, wanting to broaden my horizons, never had a romantic interest in a black guy (white either, ironically lol), because I haven't come across one I was attracted to, and remember, for me, my main turn on is "intelligence", not guys of any race going around acting all thuggish, etc., I get flack for it sometimes. I hate the fact that some of the stuff I listed is "acting white". I hate the fact that there's some rule as to who's considered black and who isn't.

I too do not look at black sitcoms because they are not like anyone I know.
I too like classical music, rock, gospel and reading and imo intelligence is more important than fine and thats not acting white that's being yourself. I have distanced people in my life who make such ignorant comments. People have told me I cook and eat white. If nutrition means I eat white I will accept their critism, If teaching your children table manners is white I will accept that as well. I can only be myself. I got married late,and had children late because I wanted and intelligent man. Until, I found the right one I continued to work on me being a good prospect.

[ssjup81]

I too do not look at black sitcoms because they are not like anyone I know.Yeah, I have that problem with most black sitcoms too. There are some nice ones, like, The Cosby Show, and I really liked that because it was positive. If you work hard, you will get rewarded in life, even if it takes a long time. I just wish there were more positive black sitcoms around, and if there are some, I wouldn't mind someone pointing them out to me.I too like classical music, rock, gospel and reading and imo intelligence is more important than fine and thats not acting white that's being yourself. I have distanced people in my life who make such ignorant comments. People have told me I cook and eat white. If nutrition means I eat white I will accept their critism, If teaching your children table manners is white I will accept that as well. I can only be myself. I got married late,and had children late because I wanted and intelligent man. Until, I found the right one I continued to work on me being a good prospect.*Claps* I like the way you think.

[enpowermentnow]

Yeah, I have that problem with most black sitcoms too. There are some nice ones, like, The Cosby Show, and I really liked that because it was positive. If you work hard, you will get rewarded in life, even if it takes a long time. I just wish there were more positive black sitcoms around, and if there are some, I wouldn't mind someone pointing them out to me.*Claps* I like the way you think.

The Cosby Show was excellent, and we have not had anything like it except a different world. I watch the history channel more than anything.

Ditto,I like the way you think too !!!

[enpowermentnow]

Come live in the wild one hundreds with me for a week and then you will have a point of reference.

[Greatness]

Heather Mac Donald doesn't have a clue about the struggle of African Americans.

Her obtuse statements is one reason why African American need to wake up and take back the inner city, and make sure we educate our young children.

[blkav8tor2003]

1st part of the interview with Ms. Macdonald is why we should pay attention to what everyone around thinks or believes because if there is no racism in the judicial system and there is plenty in public then everyone should go to jail for a while so the can be "BRAINWASHED" about racism and be kind to your fellow man when youreturn to society!!!

This is what happen's when you let the media say and do whatever the want and when we know something is wrong we don't have public outcry....This is a sad, sad time. Watchout the 1950 and 60's are coming back!!! Are you ready for the water hoses and protesting???

BlkAv8tor2003

[kingsqueenva]

I am always suspicious when white people assume they know what we are thinking and why we are doing what we're doing. I choose to ignore such comments and focus on the cures to "our" problems that "we" come up with because WE are the only ones that can resolve any issues within our community, not the government, not white people, not the institutions of this country.

[jmverhasselt]

Clearly, as a white female, Ms. MacDonald has a lot of guts to write such an article. She will never, in her life, no matter how hard she tries, understand what racism truly feels like and how the impact of articles such as this, make other White Americans (or any other race other than Black) feel that it's okay to ignore the situation.
I'm sadden by the ignorance of her statements. She doesn't feel that racism exist in the judicial systems. She asked if George and Michael had protested at prisons. Has she? She can't compare rapists and malicious criminals to teenage boys that had a fight. If she is comparing the two, then I don't need to say anything further, because she's obviously not of her right mind.
Racism will always exist on many levels because people choose to ignore it, or make light of situations like those in the town of Jena. It will never go away, because those that do not display it publicly, display it privately. She adding the problem, not helping. If this was not about Jena, then she should place her subject matter upon those things about which she wanted to write.

[want2beamommyevent]

The Cosby Show was excellent, and we have not had anything like it except a different world. I watch the history channel more than anything.

Ditto,I like the way you think too !!!

There is a show that comes on ABC Family, Lincoln Heights, that features a black family of 5. There's a husband/father that's a cop, the wife/mother is a nurse, and they have a highschooler and 2 children that attend junior high. The show is practical, positive, encouraging, and heart-warming. I just love it! If you get a chance please view it and tell me what you think of it. It airs on Tuesday evenings at 7p CST.

[harrye]

mike! harry from l.a. jenna family to jenna member! took pictures with you at
taste of soul! talking with this lady is like talking with a man about having a baby! we will keep going!

[jmverhasselt]

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

Diversity includes all ethnicities. She is crazy. I'm getting more and more upset as I read more of her crazy statements. I would like to offer her some of our clinic's free services as I feel she may need some group couselling to receive the full benefits and effects of true DIVERSITY, because she doesn't have a clue.

[jmverhasselt]

mike! harry from l.a. jenna family to jenna member! took pictures with you at
taste of soul! talking with this lady is like talking with a man about having a baby! we will keep going!

Very true! Love the analogy, because she'll just never know and should refrain from speaking about this subject. Definitely!

[jmverhasselt]

There is a show that comes on ABC Family, Lincoln Heights, that features a black family of 5. There's a husband/father that's a cop, the wife/mother is a nurse, and they have a highschooler and 2 children that attend junior high. The show is practical, positive, encouraging, and heart-warming. I just love it! If you get a chance please view it and tell me what you think of it. It airs on Tuesday evenings at 7p CST.

I was going to mention Lincoln Heights. It's certainly real and I admit, opened my eyes to more things too.

[enpowermentnow]

There is a show that comes on ABC Family, Lincoln Heights, that features a black family of 5. There's a husband/father that's a cop, the wife/mother is a nurse, and they have a highschooler and 2 children that attend junior high. The show is practical, positive, encouraging, and heart-warming. I just love it! If you get a chance please view it and tell me what you think of it. It airs on Tuesday evenings at 7p CST.

will watch and get back with you

[Gemini_Gurl75]

I'm listening to the show now. I have so many feelings on this topic. I would like to be mad at Heather. Last year I would have. But black Americans leave so many gaps between us, it makes it easy for people to say this. I'm tired of fighting for the cause. What cause?? The majority of blacks have that crab in a barrel mentality. I myself try to be more supportive. But It always back fires:o I try to show my brothas love regardless of their short comings, but they have so much baggage it's crazy. Even the men that think they are for blacks, they aren't. Some of the shows Mike does are so contradicting. It's a mess. I feel I'm the only one in my community that has morals and ethics. It's hard being the only one aware. I'm called over rightous and that i'm being judgmental. I can't win:rolleyes:

[msnrbcc]

Hello MR Baisden,
First I want to say I enjoyed your TV show and I think you are the best thing in radio since Willis Johnson on AM radio in Dallas TX!
Who is MS McDonald? And how many black males have she raised? She's out of her mind if she thinks the Jena situation is overrated; is she crazy? I’m fortunate enough to work for an honest White Man; we daily talk about racism and the effects it has on minorities. He's also honest about the thoughts of his own White family members. He has told me on many occasions that if his family could have things the way there were before Civil Rights they would do so.
I also want MS McDonald to know I'm a mother of Two Black Males; I was a single mother for 15 years. I raised my sons to respect the law; what I failed to tell them is that the law has no respect for them. Has one of MS McDonalds sons ever came home crying from torture by the Police? mine have. My oldest son has felonies for things I know for a fact he did not do. I'm sure White women like MS McDonald would argue why we did not go to court and fight the case. In one sentence limited funds, and before you accuse us of being poor because of laziness; I would ask you who have been raising white women's children and cleaning their houses for decades. White people seem to continue to bring up the fact that this white boy got his butt kicked, some of us will argue that he deserved it. I would like for MS McDonald to explain what she think should have happened to the white boy who hit the kid with the bottle, or the boy who got his butt kicked who came to the fight with the gun? He should have stayed at home, showing up with a gun, getting your gun taken and your Butt kicked. And please stop bringing up the kids past criminal cases; he was convicted by the same racist judicial system for those cases. My husband's family live about 30 minutes from Jena I hate when we visit there because of the racist that's still alive and well in their town.
I can’t believe Heather was bold enough to call your radio station with this Bull. I would challenge her to do the test Opera did several months ago; have someone make up and live one week as a black woman, if you have boys have you son dress up a Black Male and send him out for a week; then call MR Baisden and be honest about your encounters.
I watched the History of the KKK this past weekend, they covered the Klan from the beginning until today, and yes I said TODAY.
I love your show keep up the good work.
msnrbcc@verizon.net

[Blue Butterfly]

Ms. McDonald I'm glad you went off the radio before I turned the station. I can assume you don't have real black friends, black children, live in a community with black people, and never experience what black individuals experience in life. I have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's change the behaviors to 6 white youths beating on 1 black youth, that white community would not have given those white youths adult charges facing 22 years. Some people, especially white people like you and white people who are racial would not have given them the same charges. The white youths got away with hanging three noose, not one, but three. Come further North and hang a noose. You will be incarcerated. This is not tolerated.

Ms. McDonald go drink some Ice Tea with O'Reilly at Sylvia's in New York.

Signed: Black American and Proud. Educated too.

[Mahogany Love]

and this is what this is an opinion out of millions. First of all I am surprised someone on the Michael Baisden set didn’t advice Heather to go and sit in court just as a spectator for evidently she really doesn’t have a clue how the justice system is WRITTEN & BASED around locking up minorities AS A WHOLE. I sat in court one time and a young white male killed his infant baby and received 1 year probation and of course there are many, many examples of this. I would even ask Heather put on makeup and take her behind into court as a black woman and see what kind of time she will receive even for something as simple as jaywalking I DARE HER TO DO JUST THIS. She would be screaming so loud that she is white to get the charges dismissed. It is really sad her ancestors has taught her this madness and of course she is passing these views down to her lineage.

And again I tell you EVERYONE THAT IS NOT OF MINORITY DECENT WILL WISH & PRAY THAT THEY WERE IN THE END FOR GOD HAS ALWAYS TAKEN MERCY ON THOSE THAT ARE SUPPRESSED and that is what we are! THANK GOD FOR MY ANCESTORS!!!!!

Always: Love, Peace & Harmony all over the world

[enpowermentnow]

and this is what this is an opinion out of millions. First of all I am surprised someone on the Michael Baisden set didn’t advice Heather to go and sit in court just as a spectator for evidently she really doesn’t have a clue how the justice system is WRITTEN & BASED around locking up minorities AS A WHOLE. I sat in court one time and a young white male killed his infant baby and received 1 year probation and of course there are many, many examples of this. I would even ask Heather put on makeup and take her behind into court as a black woman and see what kind of time she will receive even for something as simple as jaywalking I DARE HER TO DO JUST THIS. She would be screaming so loud that she is white to get the charges dismissed. It is really sad her ancestors has taught her this madness and of course she is passing these views down to her lineage.

And again I tell you EVERYONE THAT IS NOT OF MINORITY DECENT WILL WISH & PRAY THAT THEY WERE IN THE END FOR GOD HAS ALWAYS TAKEN MERCY ON THOSE THAT ARE SUPPRESSED and that is what we are! THANK GOD FOR MY ANCESTORS!!!!!

Always: Love, Peace & Harmony all over the world

Leave this racist to Hannity and O'reilly. not a response to you mahogany

[cdiva813]

Are you aware of the Federal Mandatory Minimim Sentencing Laws? I can tell by your posting that you are not.

Mandatory minimum sentencing laws has had a drastic effects upon the African American community.

The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986.
This act included Federal mandatory minimum drug sentences based on the notion that crack cocaine was 50 times more addictive than powder cocaine. Therefore, federal mandatory minimum sentences for crack were constructed to relate to sentences for powder cocaine at a 100:1 quantity ratio. In essence, 500 grams of powder cocaine result in a 5 year- mandatory sentence while, only 5 grams of crack result in a 5 year mandatory sentence. This sentencing policy have cause a multitude of African Americans to be incarcerated, considering crack is more prevalent in the inner cities.

Research on patterns of drug purchase and use demonstrates that overall drug users report their main drug providers are of the same racial or ethnic background as they are. Yet, according to the United States Sentencing Commission in 2006, 81% of all federal crack defendants were black and only 9% were white. Despite similar drug use rates between minorities and whites, minorities are disproportionately subjected to the penalties for both types of cocaine. In 1986, before mandatory minimums for crack offenses became effective, the average federal drug offense sentence for blacks was 11% higher than for whites. Four years later following the implementation of harsher drug sentencing laws, the average federal drug offense sentence was 49% higher for blacks.

However, in 1988, Congress amended the Anti-Drug Abuse Law. The change was to apply the mandatory sentences of 1986, intended for high-level traffickers, to anyone who was a member of a drug trafficking conspiracy. The reasoning behind this amendment was to make everyone involved in the drug trade liable for every act of the conspiracy. By providing the prosecutor with “substantial assistance” (information that aids the government in prosecuting other offenders) defendants may reduce their mandatory sentences.
Most drug cases involve low-level offenders. 66.5% are street-level dealers, while only 0.5% are importers/high-level suppliers, 5.6 are organizers, growers or manufacturers. 9.1% are wholesalers. 5.9 are managers. Whether convicted on possession or sales charges, relatively few convicted drug offenders, over the past two decades have been high-profile drug traffickers, “king pins,” or persons occupying high-level positions within drug dealing enterprises.

This law is so biased that you have some U.S. Supreme Court Judges that have spoken out against them.

Next time, before you speak on blacks in jail do your research and find out the reason why so many blacks are incarcerated. The U.S Sentencing Project is a good place to start.

[ardool]

We can get upset with what the Reporter wrote about in her article, but the sad reality is that she right with many of her points. Black on Black crime at all time highs, crimes rates at a higher percentage for Black men, educational achievements no where comparable to whites and Asians. These things are facts that we may not want to hear, but are true. We need to start demanding greatness and excellence from ourselves, from our kids; we need to start living up to our capabilites. We need to get ourselve right, before we start looking at other people to place blame on. Sometime the truth hurts. We seem to be our own worse enemies..

[Mahogany Love]

:) :) :) You really never know who you are speaking with for the LORD has given me this VISION to repeat. No racism here just facts so start take notes. It is so sad people seem to be confused when there in fact is true racism involved.

Leave this racist to Hannity and O'reilly. not a response to you mahogany

[Greatness]

Many white people who have not lived in the inner city or around black people are clueless to the injustice the government places upon different people. They retrieve most of their knowledge from the media or television. The media, most of the time, chooses to highlight the negative side of black people. Therefore, most people perceive black people from what they see on TV.

Who do black people have to show the positive side and the positive things they are doing extremely well? (beside Michael Baisden)

Who will make it on television?

A young black child who raised $100,000 for non-profit organization,

or

A young black child who robbed the liquor store.

Black people are meant to be in a coma so their minds cannot function too the highest capacity. Many people will go through extreme measures to make sure we remain useless, and its working.

[grenetta b]

:mad: HEATHER MACDONALD SAID THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR JUDICIAL SYSTEM. I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THAT CHILD WHO WAS MURDERED IN FLORIDA. NOW TELL ME MS MACDONALD IS THAT JUSTICE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WORLD YOU COME FROM OR IF YOUR SMOKING CRACK
EITHER WAY YOUR A FOOL IF YOU THINK THAT OUR COURT SYSTEMS ARE NOT CORRUPT FOR POOR PEOPLE OF ALL RACES. AND ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE.

GET OFF YOUR MANHATTAN SKYSCRAPER BEHIND AND TAKE A STROLL IN BED-STUY OR BROWNSVILLE AND SEE JUST HOW MUCH JUSTICE BLACK PEOPLE GET IN NEW YORK CITY. AND OH I GUESS YOU WON'T, CAUSE
IF YOU DON'T PAINT YOUR SELF BLACK YOUR BEHIND WILL NEVER MAKE IT OUT ALIVE.


LIKE I SAID EVERYONE WANTS TO COMMENT ON BLACK AMERICA BUT HAVE NEVER WALKED IN BLACK AMERICA SHOES.

[Bigbaby46]

Hi: In regards to the Jena6 Case, I work in a prison and I have been in court in the towns of Louisiana: and speaking from experience, I can say that blacks get a far greater sentence that whites. I was a transporter of inmates for eight(8) years for a prison in the state of Louisiana and the justice system is designed to put young black men in jail. If you don't have the proper funds to hire a good attorney: The public defenders will throw u to the wolves and you will be eate alive.:mad:

[Real Talk]

I'm black and I agree with Heather McDonald. As I have stated in other posts related to Jena, this generation of black Americans may be the most irrelevant because of its lack of substance and absolute refusal to address its own problems. We won't demonstrate in large numbers in our own communities against black-on-black crime, teen pregnancy, school violence, the things we do to ourselves. We don't teach the younger generation not to commit crime. Its no secret that the criminal justice system is biased against blacks because the majority of those running it are white. Knowing this, we still turn our head and pretend we don't see what is going on among our people. We have camera-vision clarity when the offender is white and the victim is black but when the offender is black, scales grow over our eyes and we don't open them until they need legal representation. This new attitude of coddling our criminals and sense of entitlement to break the law without correction is not only killing us from within but its fueling white supremist outrage. We are making it harder on ourselves, not easier, by refusing to hold our own accountable and expecting absolution when we are guilty. Selling and using drugs, hanging out on the corner, gang activity, shooting up our neighborhoods, killing our kids, fighting in schools, dropping out of grade school and high school, throwing baby showers for our teenagers, dating felons for financial and sexual benefit are issues we created. You can say the white man put us in a position. They did. But does that entitle us to do absolutely nothing with ourselves? Does that entitle us not to raise our children right? How long do we remain in a prone position, laying down, before we realize there is no foot on our neck holding us down. If we opened our eyes, we might realize it is not the white man who is holding us down. What is holding us down is our own refusal to get up, our own stinking thinking.

[filmoredollar]

I like how you thing real talk.

[henry8]

I'm black and I agree with Heather McDonald. As I have stated in other posts related to Jena, this generation of black Americans may be the most irrelevant because of its lack of substance and absolute refusal to address its own problems. We won't demonstrate in large numbers in our own communities against black-on-black crime, teen pregnancy, school violence, the things we do to ourselves. We don't teach the younger generation not to commit crime. Its no secret that the criminal justice system is biased against blacks because the majority of those running it are white. Knowing this, we still turn our head and pretend we don't see what is going on among our people. We have camera-vision clarity when the offender is white and the victim is black but when the offender is black, scales grow over our eyes and we don't open them until they need legal representation. This new attitude of coddling our criminals and sense of entitlement to break the law without correction is not only killing us from within but its fueling white supremist outrage. We are making it harder on ourselves, not easier, by refusing to hold our own accountable and expecting absolution when we are guilty. Selling and using drugs, hanging out on the corner, gang activity, shooting up our neighborhoods, killing our kids, fighting in schools, dropping out of grade school and high school, throwing baby showers for our teenagers, dating felons for financial and sexual benefit are issues we created. You can say the white man put us in a position. They did. But does that entitle us to do absolutely nothing with ourselves? Does that entitle us not to raise our children right? How long do we remain in a prone position, laying down, before we realize there is no foot on our neck holding us down. If we opened our eyes, we might realize it is not the white man who is holding us down. What is holding us down is our own refusal to get up, our own stinking thinking.

Though I thoroughly disagree with you, I admire your writing style.

[henry8]

Heather Mac Donald is persausive. She's a fake intellectual, as someone said "suma cum idiot".

She gets everyone of her supporters whipped up into a frenzy...her supporters are as illogical as she.

No one ever checks her stats or questions her statements or sources because they're all caught up in the moment.

When you review the things she writes or says you'll realize--*gasp! you been hoodwinked...yet again! :D

YouThinkWhat.com (http://youthinkwhat.com)

[Real Talk]

Heather Mac Donald is persausive. She's a fake intellectual, as someone said "suma cum idiot".

She gets everyone of her supporters whipped up into a frenzy...her supporters are as illogical as she.

No one ever checks her stats or questions her statements or sources because they're all caught up in the moment.

When you review the things she writes or says you'll realize--*gasp! you been hoodwinked...yet again! :D

YouThinkWhat.com (http://youthinkwhat.com)


It would be nice if the perception of black Americans was anything but negative. Unfortunately, truth is truth. It angers many blacks when a white person comments about them, never realizing that people will always say about you what you won't say to yourself. Its human nature. People will speak on what they see. Unfortunately, the overwhelming perception of black Americans is not that of law-abiding, peace-seeking citizens who raise well-behaved children and are intolerent to foolishness and criminality among their own. We don't show them anything else. Our attitude is two wrongs make a right. If the white man did it to us and got away with it, we should be able to respond in kind. We should be allowed to commit crimes without fear of arrest and prosecution.

I thought it was hilarious that two of the Jena 6 teens were given the red-carpet treatment at a recent black awards show and dressed in bling-bling gear. I was like, "Oh yeah, lets turn these kids into ghetto superstars and that will compel the white prosecutor, judge and jury to have mercy on them." I sometimes wonder if we derive our logic, reasoning and strategic planning from a Dave Chapelle comedy skit or John Gotti's memoirs.

[ssjup81]

I'm black and I agree with Heather McDonald. As I have stated in other posts related to Jena, this generation of black Americans may be the most irrelevant because of its lack of substance and absolute refusal to address its own problems. We won't demonstrate in large numbers in our own communities against black-on-black crime, teen pregnancy, school violence, the things we do to ourselves. We don't teach the younger generation not to commit crime. Its no secret that the criminal justice system is biased against blacks because the majority of those running it are white. Knowing this, we still turn our head and pretend we don't see what is going on among our people. We have camera-vision clarity when the offender is white and the victim is black but when the offender is black, scales grow over our eyes and we don't open them until they need legal representation. This new attitude of coddling our criminals and sense of entitlement to break the law without correction is not only killing us from within but its fueling white supremist outrage. We are making it harder on ourselves, not easier, by refusing to hold our own accountable and expecting absolution when we are guilty. Selling and using drugs, hanging out on the corner, gang activity, shooting up our neighborhoods, killing our kids, fighting in schools, dropping out of grade school and high school, throwing baby showers for our teenagers, dating felons for financial and sexual benefit are issues we created. You can say the white man put us in a position. They did. But does that entitle us to do absolutely nothing with ourselves? Does that entitle us not to raise our children right? How long do we remain in a prone position, laying down, before we realize there is no foot on our neck holding us down. If we opened our eyes, we might realize it is not the white man who is holding us down. What is holding us down is our own refusal to get up, our own stinking thinking.I agree with you here on this. It's bad that our children aren't being raised properly anymore, and this goes for other races as well. I get sick of hearing the excuse, "My daddy wasn't there for me." Well yes, that is sad if you didn't have a parent around, but it's still no excuse to go out and break the law.

My aunt has three children, and two of them are boys. Their father lives in jail for crimes he committed. He was in jail more than their lives. This last time, he's going to be in for 20 something years. He'll be in his 60s by the time he gets out. He did grow up in a fatherless home, unfortunately, but, he was extremely smart in school (he was still in high school when I first met him...my mother is next to the oldest, this aunt is the youngest of her sisters). His mother was an alcoholic too and had men in and out of her life to my knowledge. He did grow up in a bad situation and "lost" to the system because he gave in to it.

Now he's left his sons without a father. Neither one of them gets into trouble, even though they grew up with a father (he started going in and out of prison back in the mid 90s...the oldest was about nine or so at the time).

Of course I'm not sure how these two boys are doing since they did lack a father. Even before their father went to prison, the oldest of them, used to hang around here a lot (he's five years under me). He used to hang around my father a lot, and dad used to take him places, like out for pizza and stuff. So maybe that helped where he was concerned.

[darren]

If a fool be associated with a wise man, even all his life, he will percieve the truth as little as a spoon percieves the taste of food; if an intelligent man be associated for one minute only with a wise man, he will soon percieve the truth as the tongue percieves the taste of soup.---Hindu proverb

And yet unable to provide any proof.




It doesn't matter. What matters is that Cain married a Neanderthal.

If it does not matter, what proof do you have that this is true? You only assume based on theory.




Where exactly, does "my science and bible quotes contradict each other?" Like a typical white devil, you're making accusations without stating facts.

Fact. You only cloud the issue when questioned. By stating White devil you have made a feeble attempt. I find you rather intellectual. But you insist on evading questions. The only Scientific information you can provide is one of the four rivers encompassing Ethiopia. You won't even touch on the whole scripture.



Again, I have made no "biblical & science contradictions".

Again trying to cloud the issue. I find that someone who quotes scripture & science often have contradictions in statements.



Only the WISEST of men can understand.

Which apparently you are not one of. I still you are intellectual. But I find you are like alot on smart people. To selfcentered & rightous in your own mind.

Adam and Eve were black. After Cain and Abel, they had more sons and daughters. (Gen. 5:4)

I would like for you to show me the scripture that states that Adam & Eve are Black. I don't see Black nor White. So your statement that Adam & Eve were Black & Children, Shows that you believe the Black race is a product of inbreeding.

Thus, what modern anthropologists call the "Out Of Africa Theory" began.

The key word here is Theory. Which is what most of your quotes are based on.

[beautifulone]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.pitts14oct14,0,7709357.story


A history of rope - and shame
Leonard Pitts Jr.
October 14, 2007


This will be a history of rope.


It strikes me that such a history is desperately needed just now. It seems the travesty in Jena, La., has spawned a ghastly trend. Remember how white students at Jena High placed nooses in a tree last year to communicate antipathy toward their African-American classmates? Now it's happening all over.


A noose is left for a black workman at a construction site in the Chicago area. In Queens, a woman brandishes a noose to threaten her black neighbors. A noose is left on the door of a black professor at Columbia University. And that's just last week. Go back a little further and you have similar incidents at the University of Maryland, College Park, at a police department on Long Island, on a Coast Guard cutter, in a bus maintenance garage in Pittsburgh.


Mark Potok, the director of the Intelligence Project of the Southern Poverty Law Center, told USA Today, "For a dozen incidents to come to the public's attention is a lot. I don't generally see noose incidents in a typical month. We might hear about a handful in a year."


The superintendent of schools in Jena dismissed the original incident as a "prank." It was an astonishing response, speaking volumes about the blithe historical ignorance of people who have found it convenient not to peer too closely at the atrocities of the past lest they be accidentally ... moved.


But watching this trend unfold, it occurs to me that maybe what we need here is the opposite of ignorance. Maybe what we need is information.


Maybe what we need is a history of rope.


A history of rope would have to include, in 1904, Luther Holbert and his wife, who had their fingers chopped off and handed out as souvenirs. Mr. Holbert was beaten so badly one of his eyes came out. It hung by a thread. A large corkscrew was used to bore into the couple's flesh. It tore out big chunks of them each time it was withdrawn. A rope was used to tie them to the tree.


A history of rope would have to include, in 1917, Rufus Moncrief, who was beaten senseless by a mob. They used a saw to cut off his arms and otherwise mutilated him. The mob hanged Mr. Moncrief. Then, for good measure, they hanged his dog. Ropes were used for both.


A history of rope would have to include, in 1918, Mary Turner, burned alive in Valdosta, Ga. A man used a hog-splitting knife to slash her swollen stomach. The baby she had carried nearly to term tumbled out and managed two cries before the man crushed its head beneath his heel. A rope was used to tie Ms. Turner upside down in a tree.


A history of rope would include thousands of Turners, Moncriefs and Holberts. It would range widely across the geography of this nation and the years of the last two centuries. A history of rope would travel from Cairo, Ill., in 1909 to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., in 1935 to Urbana, Ohio, in 1897 to Wrightsville, Ga., in 1903, to Leitchfield, Ky., in 1913 to Newbern, Tenn., in 1902. And beyond.


You might say the country has changed since then, and it has. The problem is, it's changing again.


It feels as if in recent years we the people have traveled backward from even the pretense of believing our loftiest ideals. It has become fashionable to decry excessive "political correctness," deride "diversity," sneer at the "protected classes." Code words sanding down hatred's rough edge. "State's rights" for the new millennium. And now, out come the nooses. Just a prank, the man says.


Mary Turner would argue otherwise. I find it useful to remember her, useful to be reminded of things we would rather forget. To remember her is to understand that there is no prank here.


A history of rope would drown your conscience in blood.


Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for The Miami Herald. His column appears in The Sun on Sundays. His e-mail is lpitts@miamiherald.com.
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You insist on being IGNORANT. There are MANY homosexual white supremists, like Republican Senator Larry Craig in this land. (Senator Craig voted YES on rejecting racial statistics in death penalty appeals (May 1994) and voted YES on banning affirmative action hiring with federal funds. (Jul 1995).




I've put forth proof, it's just that you were unable to comprehend it.

Only the WISEST of people can understand!

For some one who is intelligent, which you are. I find this statement troubling. You make it sound like Black people can't make decisions without blaming everything they do on the White race.
What about Black people who get an education & do something good? How is the White race responsible for that?


Again no proof only a statement of a man who is thought to be homosexual. What Supremist group is he apart of? I also think the stats should be rejected. As I think if serial killers are found guilty & sentenced to death tax dollars shouldn't be spent housing them for 20 years. They should be put to death. The same goes for pediphiles.


Also when you put forth any tangible proof worth believing I will comprehend.

[annisaa01]

As an African Studies major and a mother of four black sons, I would like to say that until we as a people recognize and accept exactly where we stand in America and now in the global community since America controls that, we will always be looking outside of ourselves for the answers that lie with us. When I say "accept" what I mean by this is that regardless of your money, your status and/or your position at the end of the day, your ancestors served a purpose and thus so do you. Assimilation has not been good for our people, we've brought into a very strange and foreign culture and we continue to suffer because its as if we do not want to believe what it is our eyes are seeing, our ears are hearing as if we are exempt because of our temporary status.

Start taking responsibility for yourselves, your actions and hold your so-called leaders accountable. Stop behaving like the buck on the plantation, and leaving yourself open to more drama, issues, disease, etc., thereby keeping you away from the real true issues at hand. People are dying daily spiritu

[Harlemhotty]

I don't understand why everybody is shocked by all of this. we have to remember that LOUISIANNA is a state that fought to to retain slavery as a way of life!:eek: And the racist states attorney and judge are making an example of this young man and how dare we care about our young black children. Outraged yes suprised hell no!










Read the article and post your comments!

Don't make Jena out to be more than it is: by Heather Mac Donald

Update: Heather MacDonald will be a guest on the Michael Baisden Show for Monday's Hot News

Link to Article:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-macdonald_30edi.ART.State.Edition1.4257c86.html

Events there certainly merit scrutiny, but they're not emblematic of country's race relations

Let's assume the worst about Jena, La., and the charges of attempted murder brought against five black youths for beating a white student unconscious last December: that the district attorney's indictments were motivated by rank racism and that the racial tensions in this town of 3,000 are exclusively the product of white animus against blacks. Does it follow that this latest object of frenzy on the media's racism beat is emblematic of America's judicial system or the state of race relations today?

That is certainly what the ever-expanding army of racial victimologists and their media enablers would have you believe. Since the Jena story became international news, the media, the advocates and pandering politicians have erupted in an outpouring of seeming joy at the alleged proof that America remains a racist country.

Unquestionably, the attempted murder charges (which were later dropped for four of the defendants, while two other assailants were booked as juveniles) merit scrutiny. If the indictment in fact resulted from discrimination, then the prosecutor would deserve the strongest punishment. And the incident that seems to have led to the group assault on the white student – hanging nooses from a school tree where white teens congregated – was a despicable provocation.

But even if the worst possible interpretation of these events is merited, the massive international attention to this tiny town would seem vastly disproportionate to the cause, unless Jena stands for a more widespread problem. The idea behind the protests is that just as these six youths were overcharged, the hundreds of thousands of blacks in prison are also the victims of systemic abuse. But for institutional racism, the black prison population would be much smaller.

The reason the black incarceration rate is the highest in the country is that blacks have the highest crime rate – by a long shot. Nationally, blacks commit murder at about eight times the frequency of whites. In New York, any given violent crime is 13 times as likely to have been committed by a black person as by a white person, according to the reports of victims and witnesses. These ratios are similar across the country. In Los Angeles, blacks committed 41 percent of all robberies in 2001, according to victims' descriptions, though they constitute only 11 percent of the city's population.

No one in the Jena stampede dares whisper a word about black crime, because it undercuts the portrait of a victimized race. You can listen to every protest across the country glorifying the Jena Six, and you will never hear an acknowledgement of the massive social breakdown that is the black crime rate: no mention of the violence in inner-city schools that black students commit overwhelmingly; no mention of the rising homicides in midsize cities that young black males commit when they feel "disrespected." It is not racism putting black men in jail; it's their own behavior. Behind the crime wave is the cataclysmic disappearance of marriage – the black illegitimacy rate can approach 90 percent in inner cities – but it, too, is taboo.

What about the broader significance of Jena? Is Jena's supposed racism a microcosm of America? To the contrary: There is not a single elite institution in the country that is not twisting itself into knots in favor of African-Americans, instituting double standards for the sake of "diversity." After college, law schools, business schools, medical schools, engineering schools and others accept black students whose test scores would disqualify them if they were white or Asian. The preferences continue into the professions.

The Jena protesters deny these truths. In fact, the purpose of such mass celebrations – and that is indeed what they are – is to make sure that attention stays far away from the actual problems holding blacks back. Both whites and blacks are complicit in this sabotage. These ecstatic festivals of racism-bashing are a crippling ritual in the co-dependency between absolution-seeking whites and angry blacks, a phenomenon that African-American scholar Shelby Steele has powerfully analyzed.

The demonstrators exhibit a palpable desire for the moral clarity of the civil rights era, as do the reporters, who cover their every utterance. But there has been nothing like Selma or Montgomery for the current generation because much of America has accomplished almost an about-face on race since the 1950s. The current martyrs to American bigotry are a far cry from Rosa Parks.

The Jena situation is undoubtedly a bit more complex than the tale the press has woven of hate-filled whites and peace-loving blacks. But even if it were not, the catharsis that this morality play has offered to its participants is spurious. The real tragedy is the dysfunctional culture that holds back too many blacks from seizing the many opportunities open to them.

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